40tude dialog on windows 8

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.
After I go through the install process, I try to download the groups.
I iget a timeout connection error.
I close the program then reopen later.
"Is there a second instance running?"
No there is not.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Short of thunderbird and windows live mail, is there anything else out
there that WILL work on windows 8 with the same attributes of 40tude?
Xnews not!

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:39:48 -0400, richard wrote:

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.
After I go through the install process, I try to download the groups.
I iget a timeout connection error.
I close the program then reopen later.
"Is there a second instance running?"
No there is not.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Short of thunderbird and windows live mail, is there anything else out
there that WILL work on windows 8 with the same attributes of 40tude?
Xnews not!

Dialog doesn't work well on Windows 7 unless it is installed into a
non-Program Files directory, i.e., it has to be installed in a directory
which is not one of the two Windows 7 standard program file directories.
Maybe you're having the same problem in Windows 8.

Since you gave relatively little information, and none about where you
used to be successfully running Dialog, the above might not be relevant
to you.

You might do better asking in a Windows 8 newsgroup.
alt.comp.os.windows-8 comes to mind. Please cross-post if you do, so we
can learn of your progress.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:39:48 -0400, richard wrote:

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.
After I go through the install process, I try to download the groups.
I iget a timeout connection error.
I close the program then reopen later.
"Is there a second instance running?"
No there is not.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Short of thunderbird and windows live mail, is there anything else out
there that WILL work on windows 8 with the same attributes of 40tude?
Xnews not!

But it does work as you can see from my headers...

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:55:14 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
But it does work as you can see from my headers...

But it doesn't prove it's running in Windows 8.

i.e.: Your header doesn't work. Mine does.

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:39:48 -0400, richard wrote:

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.

Maybe you should try in alt.comp.os.windows-8.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Try news.software.readers.

--
s|b

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.
After I go through the install process, I try to download the groups.
I iget a timeout connection error.
I close the program then reopen later.
"Is there a second instance running?"
No there is not.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Short of thunderbird and windows live mail, is there anything else out
there that WILL work on windows 8 with the same attributes of 40tude?
Xnews not!

Gravity and MesNews are very similar to 40tude. Both run on win7 so
cannot see a problem with 8.
If you go for MesNews, download the two plug-ins: Allow formulations
and Plug-in adds button to middle bar.

http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/
http://www.mesnews.net/gb/

--
mick

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:30:04 +0200, s|b wrote in message
:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:39:48 -0400, richard wrote:

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.

Maybe you should try in alt.comp.os.windows-8.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Try news.software.readers.

There's also a good German-language support group --
de.comm.software.40tude-dialog -- but I wouldn't bother those Krauts unless
I spoke "perr-fekkt" German.

As for the OT's problem, he could try backing up and then delete his data
folder, and then create a new one.

And Dialog should not be located in the Programs folder.

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:25:32 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:39:48 -0400, richard wrote:

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.
After I go through the install process, I try to download the groups.
I iget a timeout connection error.
I close the program then reopen later.
"Is there a second instance running?"
No there is not.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Short of thunderbird and windows live mail, is there anything else out
there that WILL work on windows 8 with the same attributes of 40tude?
Xnews not!

Dialog doesn't work well on Windows 7 unless it is installed into a
non-Program Files directory, i.e., it has to be installed in a directory
which is not one of the two Windows 7 standard program file directories.
Maybe you're having the same problem in Windows 8.

Now you've worried me - I've had it in C:/Program Files (86)/ for some
years and it's yet to fail in any regard. It probably will now.

Oh dear. I didn't mean to jinx you. My apologies.

IIRC, the failures were things like an inability to save some changes I
made, such as adding a new newsgroup. Dialog didn't succeed in saving
them until I moved it to my fake programs folder.

That is all a couple of years old, so the mental fuzzies may be
interfering...

It might be fun - or maybe not - for me to move the folder into (x86) to
check it out, in case the truth is that you are unjinxing me.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Iceman wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:30:04 +0200, s|b wrote in message

And Dialog should not be located in the Programs folder.

It worked OK for me.

I just let the installer do what it wanted.
Ran the program. No complaints. Once I started using the
built-in help (.chm style), I didn't have a problem using
the program. I would have been completely baffled, without
access to the help.

And I think the data folder it is writing, gets redirected
to "roaming". That's the fallback for backward compatibility,
for programs that insist in writing to the Program folder.
The files don't actually go into the Program folder, but
go into another directory. The intention is to prevent
overwrite exploits, while at the same time, not preventing
older programs from working properly. I don't know the
"techie" name for this feature, but I presume it has
a fancy name.

Paul

Bob Henson wrote:
richard wrote:

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.
After I go through the install process, I try to download the groups.
I iget a timeout connection error.
I close the program then reopen later.
"Is there a second instance running?"
No there is not.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Short of thunderbird and windows live mail, is there anything else out
there that WILL work on windows 8 with the same attributes of 40tude?
Xnews not!

I just installed it under Windows 8 running in a Virtual Machine. It works
just fine in the standard c:\Program Files (86)\ directory. I added the
last known build 2.0.15.1 (84) on top of 2.0.15.1 38 build and the British
English dictionary, and it still works fine. E-mail and mail both work
fine. Maybe you hadn't got the (very old but) latest versions? They're here
if you need them

http://dialog.datalist.org/downloads/download.html

Install from 4d2b38.exe into the standard directory, then copy the .exe
file from Dialog.84.zip over the original.

For my test, I just used 4d2b38.exe, and didn't bother patching,
and it all still seemed to work fine. That filename roughly
decodes to "40tude dialog release 2 beta 38".

The OPs problem could be firewall or network related.

Paul

"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:39:48 -0400, richard wrote:

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.
After I go through the install process, I try to download the groups.
I iget a timeout connection error.
I close the program then reopen later.
"Is there a second instance running?"
No there is not.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that way.

Short of thunderbird and windows live mail, is there anything else out
there that WILL work on windows 8 with the same attributes of 40tude?
Xnews not!

Dialog doesn't work well on Windows 7 unless it is installed into a
non-Program Files directory, i.e., it has to be installed in a directory
which is not one of the two Windows 7 standard program file directories.
Maybe you're having the same problem in Windows 8.

Since you gave relatively little information, and none about where you
used to be successfully running Dialog, the above might not be relevant
to you.

You might do better asking in a Windows 8 newsgroup.
alt.comp.os.windows-8 comes to mind. Please cross-post if you do, so we
can learn of your progress.

learnt my lesson on the "out of the loop" thing eons ago.
I'll see if I get a response out of the 8 group.

richard wrote in
:

Trying to set up my new windows 8 machine with 40tude dialog.
After I go through the install process, I try to download the
groups. I iget a timeout connection error.
I close the program then reopen later.
"Is there a second instance running?"
No there is not.

apparently 40tude.com no longer exists.
So there's no way to get any help or check the old resources that
way.

Short of thunderbird and windows live mail, is there anything else
out there that WILL work on windows 8 with the same attributes of
40tude? Xnews not!

It won't help you much this time, but for future reference, the
"Wayback Machine" at archive.org keeps copies of many popular old
websites, and can show you how they looked in the past. Just pick a
year and month.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://40tude.com

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:58:39 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:55:14 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
But it does work as you can see from my headers...

But it doesn't prove it's running in Windows 8.

i.e.: Your header doesn't work. Mine does.

How about this:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20130727-us5w-205kb

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:22:29 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:58:39 +0700, JJ wrote:

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013 23:55:14 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:
But it does work as you can see from my headers...

But it doesn't prove it's running in Windows 8.

i.e.: Your header doesn't work. Mine does.

How about this:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20130727-us5w-205kb

Heck, I believed you all along. You have an honest face.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 12:35:47 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote in message
:

How about this:

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20130727-us5w-205kb

Heck, I believed you all along. You have an honest face.

I don't know how honest my kisser looks, but I think I can safely guarantee
that 40tude Dialog runs on Windows 8 (and I run it from a USB stick).