Cleaning up XP

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:44:05 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Twayne wrote:
Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you (supposedly) do.


Thanks, but Twayne is correct. Not only am I not an MPV, I don't even
know what an MPV is.

But I am an MVP, and have been one since October, 2003. ;-)

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:44:05 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Twayne wrote:
Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you
(supposedly) do.


Thanks, but Twayne is correct. Not only am I not an MPV, I don't even
know what an MPV is.

But I am an MVP, and have been one since October, 2003. ;-)

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup



Multi-purpose vehicle, perhaps?

Most Promising Voodooist.
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:44:05 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Twayne wrote:
Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you (supposedly)
do.


Thanks, but Twayne is correct. Not only am I not an MPV, I don't even
know what an MPV is.

But I am an MVP, and have been one since October, 2003. ;-)

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Bill supposedly of Co said:

Twayne wrote:

....
And there's that ignorant, closed mind again.

Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

No tweedlebrain, there's an educated, experienced open mind here who
when all this originally started, who asked for more information and
what the reasons were for same, received a range of responses from your
fav leaders such as no answer, "because I said it should be enough
reason" to several other equally as intelligent responses. The more
people asked and wanted to know, the more adamant the supposed gurus
became since they had nothing, nada, zero, zip on their side to show any
relevancy to their claims.
That was a couple years ago. Off and on I got sick of the
boilerplated ignorant and mis-leading information and now we're at the
point where tweedle-dums and you, with nothing behind you but the
cliches you parrot, picking your trollish targets and continuing to
spread the misinformation.


Whatever "snake oil"
means to you, it is wrong and misinformation. There can be a need
for it, and it is not inherently dangerous.

Leave the registry alone and don't use any
registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors
of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

There you go again: citing one instance of a set when in fact there
are several.

Actually, there aren't ANY (as you have shown yourself, when called
on it).

Actually, you are 100% wrong and again trying to use a micron-limited
focal length for your myopic observastions, watching carefully for any
words you can twist, any generalizations that, out of context, can
appear to be positive for your case, and other silly childish nonsense.


Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete,
and documented evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using these
registry cleaners, you have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I wonder
why?).

Again , 100% wrong but who would expect more from such an ignroant?

The difference between us (and several others in here, I'm
sure) is that I *have* used them in the past over all the years, and
with various operating systems, and I'm sure I have a lot more
experience in doing so, than you have, based on your inane comments
on this issue.

I very seriously doubt that. Why? Because you only now, when called,
choose to provide any such information. You've simply made a late
coming generalization of non-fact to accomodate your alleged situation.
No meat, nothing. You even intimate that on the old 98 systems they
were no good; you stepped on it big time there.

I do *know* firsthand its potential for creating
problems, some of which often only show up later. You obviously
don't know, due to some lack of experience in this arena. Even
Microsoft's supposedly innoculous, Regclean program (which they
removed a long time ago) created a few problems on my system some
time back. But you wouldn't know that.

lol, it HAS to be getting pretty short by now, to keep stepping on it!
I don't know how you manage that, but don't really care. Don't look
now, but MS if baaaccckkk with their little reg cleaner app! Since you
don't even know that much, I can only derive that you know nothing about
anything and are simply trolling for your own pleasure. You wish to
**** me off and it bothers you that you can't use misinformation to do
it. You are beginning to remind me of a schoolyard bully who can't find
anyone to bully because he's the tineist inthe yard (or locker-room)


That's myopic and chosen for your boilerplate because it's
convenient and for no other reason or you would say so.

You like that term, don't you? You should go back and read that page a
little further. It IS myopic, it IS boilerplate, it IS convenient, and
there IS no other reason for you to dasy to w/r to what you snipped so
no one could connect the two without looking back. You didnt even have
the intelligence to cover WHAT is myopic, etc.. Doesn't work, I'm
afraid.
Now, if we want to talk about projecting one's attitudes and problems
.... nah, that's too huge a subject.


Self-projection noted again. I'd respectfully suggest getting rid of
your own boilerplate. Remember that saying, "remove the log from
one's own eye"? (Or maybe that was before your time).

lol, well you're consistantly stupid, I'll admit that! What
boilerplate? Do you even know what boilerplate IS? And no, I don't
recall anything about logs and eyes - another attempt to redirect maybe?


The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any
potential benefit it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

Ignorance and stupidity noted, once again. My turn now: I recall and
old saw about "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach". Jeez,
let's hope you never actually teach!


If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't too,
would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn
against.. Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

Woo, talk about projection; now we know you have education problems,
too. I finished my education probably in excess of at least 3 years of
your, and likely 7 or more years. And why you use the lies about
respect, I'll never know.
You're right, I have NOT seen evidence of the claims of the inane,
closed minded and otherwise disabled minds here are touting. That's
because I have continuous, actual experience, research the issues and
applications I use, and bother to know what they are capable of and what
they are not capable of, before putting them into a production
situation.
Early on I doubted them, but gave them the benefit of the doubt and
asked for further information. When none were forthcoming I became even
more suspicious. It's not jus me either: Many people over time early on
asked for the same confirmation/verification so they too could
understant where the original authors were coming from. But you know
what? They obviously didn't have anything because they never parted
with anything of any sort to back up their contentions. I on the other
hand, have done so, early on especially, and with some detailed white
papers on the subject.
As time went on their claims became more and more injurious to people
who might believe them and they began to berate people who dared to
disagree with them. That's when I got involved and stepped up my own
research, re-read my old research, and having a curious mind, even dug
into the Innards of some of those programs I'd been useing so
successfully for so long, and even managed communications with the code
authors for further help. Not a single one ever lied to me, and one
mis-spoke due to English not being his native language. And shortly
after that I'd managed to become good enough to actually watch much of
what the programs were doing, and guess what? Everything was verified.
But that's pretty much irrelevant; it only satisfied my own natural
curiousity. The proof is, that most such applications do exactly what
they claim they will do, ARE useful, some moreso than others, and DO
provide valuable and useful results.
Buried in my archives, the other day looking for something else based
on a similar name, I found a reference to my own discussion on how a
registry cleaner had shortened a boot time by a full 60 seconds. Out of
a 4 minute boot, that was pretty substantial. And, it was attribued to
3 separate and specific program applications. As for records of these
things, every single one is archived as my system has been under monthly
full and nightly incremental backups for longer than you have probably
known what the registry was even for. Not that well planned, but still
available, some go all the way back to CP/M days. And yes, I CAN read
CP/M 10 hard sectored, double-sided, 90k/side 5 1/4" floppies.

But then you get people like you that are so myopic they can only see
one tree amongst a whole forest. You key in on one small point that
hopefully will propel you to a successful banishment of the entire
forest in other's eyes and prove your'e right. It seldom works. If you
can't see the whole picture, you may as well not look because you won't
see anythign resembling a true picture of any event or situation.

Thanks for this opportunity,

Twayne

Are you kidding? Twayne doesn't have the common sense to be an MVP.

Ouch! That's sure a disparagement to even the real MVPs!

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:44:05 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote:

Twayne wrote:
Ken Blake, supposed MPV said:

I have little doubt Ken is a MPV. Interesting that you
(supposedly) do.


Thanks, but Twayne is correct. Not only am I not an MPV, I don't even
know what an MPV is.

But I am an MVP, and have been one since October, 2003. ;-)

Actually I don't doubt that you are likely an MVP; I've seen you in
enough different places and some of your work in others, that it's
likely the truth. However, since learning that the "list" can't be
depended on and discovering there are at least two posers here, it
happened to be on my mind.
If I do anything like that again, I'll not use it on you, even though
I could use the supposition on you for your violations of the MVP
actions rules. Also I'm not the kind to go running to committes et al
because someone violates rules when they've been prodded and need to
defend themselves in a public place.Not sure but I think I've said that
before and I stand by it.

Now if you only understood the situation this is all actually about
....

Twayne

Twayne wrote:
Bill supposedly of Co said:

Twayne wrote:
...
And there's that ignorant, closed mind again.

Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

No tweedlebrain, there's an educated, experienced open mind here who

Ummm, not really. But the denial is noted.

when all this originally started, who asked for more information and
what the reasons were for same, received a range of responses from your
fav leaders such as no answer, "because I said it should be enough
reason" to several other equally as intelligent responses. The more
people asked and wanted to know, the more adamant the supposed gurus
became since they had nothing, nada, zero, zip on their side to show any
relevancy to their claims.
That was a couple years ago. Off and on I got sick of the
boilerplated ignorant and mis-leading information and now we're at the
point where tweedle-dums and you, with nothing behind you but the
cliches you parrot, picking your trollish targets and continuing to
spread the misinformation.


Whatever "snake oil"
means to you, it is wrong and misinformation. There can be a need
for it, and it is not inherently dangerous.

Leave the registry alone and don't use any
registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and what vendors
of registry cleaning software try to convince you of, having unused
registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

There you go again: citing one instance of a set when in fact there
are several.

Actually, there aren't ANY (as you have shown yourself, when called
on it).

Actually, you are 100% wrong and again trying to use a micron-limited
focal length for your myopic observastions, watching carefully for any
words you can twist, any generalizations that, out of context, can
appear to be positive for your case, and other silly childish nonsense.

Again, no substance, just ad hominems. Gee, what a surprise.

Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete,
and documented evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using these
registry cleaners, you have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I wonder
why?).

Again , 100% wrong but who would expect more from such an ignroant?

Once again, no substance, just ad hominems as your last recourse.

The difference between us (and several others in here, I'm
sure) is that I *have* used them in the past over all the years, and
with various operating systems, and I'm sure I have a lot more
experience in doing so, than you have, based on your inane comments
on this issue.

I very seriously doubt that. Why? Because you only now, when called,
choose to provide any such information. You've simply made a late
coming generalization of non-fact to accomodate your alleged situation.
No meat, nothing. You even intimate that on the old 98 systems they
were no good; you stepped on it big time there.

Actually, I never intimated such a thing. Perhaps you do have a reading
comprehension problem, afterall.

I do *know* firsthand its potential for creating
problems, some of which often only show up later. You obviously
don't know, due to some lack of experience in this arena. Even
Microsoft's supposedly innoculous, Regclean program (which they
removed a long time ago) created a few problems on my system some
time back. But you wouldn't know that.

lol, it HAS to be getting pretty short by now, to keep stepping on it!

It wouldn't happen if you watched your steps! But I can't help you there.

I don't know how you manage that, but don't really care. Don't look
now, but MS if baaaccckkk with their little reg cleaner app! Since you
don't even know that much, I can only derive that you know nothing about
anything and are simply trolling for your own pleasure. You wish to
**** me off and it bothers you that you can't use misinformation to do
it. You are beginning to remind me of a schoolyard bully who can't find
anyone to bully because he's the tineist inthe yard (or locker-room)


That's myopic and chosen for your boilerplate because it's
convenient and for no other reason or you would say so.

You like that term, don't you? You should go back and read that page a
little further. It IS myopic, it IS boilerplate, it IS convenient, and
there IS no other reason for you to dasy to w/r to what you snipped so
no one could connect the two without looking back. You didnt even have
the intelligence to cover WHAT is myopic, etc.. Doesn't work, I'm
afraid.
Now, if we want to talk about projecting one's attitudes and problems
... nah, that's too huge a subject.


Self-projection noted again. I'd respectfully suggest getting rid of
your own boilerplate. Remember that saying, "remove the log from
one's own eye"? (Or maybe that was before your time).

lol, well you're consistantly stupid, I'll admit that! What
boilerplate? Do you even know what boilerplate IS? And no, I don't
recall anything about logs and eyes

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least, unfortunately.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any
potential benefit it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

Ignorance and stupidity noted, once again. My turn now: I recall and
old saw about "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach". Jeez,
let's hope you never actually teach!


If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't too,
would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn
against.. Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

Woo, talk about projection; now we know you have education problems,
too. I finished my education probably in excess of at least 3 years of
your, and likely 7 or more years.

I wasn't talking about a train engineer when I mentioned the term engineer.

And why you use the lies about
respect, I'll never know.
You're right, I have NOT seen evidence of the claims of the inane,
closed minded and otherwise disabled minds here are touting.

Self projection noted. (please look up the term sometime)

That's because I have continuous, actual experience, research the issues
and
applications I use, and bother to know what they are capable of and what
they are not capable of, before putting them into a production
situation.
Early on I doubted them, but gave them the benefit of the doubt and
asked for further information. When none were forthcoming I became even
more suspicious. It's not jus me either: Many people over time early on
asked for the same confirmation/verification so they too could
understant where the original authors were coming from. But you know
what? They obviously didn't have anything because they never parted
with anything of any sort to back up their contentions. I on the other
hand, have done so, early on especially, and with some detailed white
papers on the subject.
As time went on their claims became more and more injurious to people
who might believe them and they began to berate people who dared to
disagree with them. That's when I got involved and stepped up my own
research, re-read my old research, and having a curious mind, even dug
into the Innards of some of those programs I'd been useing so
successfully for so long, and even managed communications with the code
authors for further help. Not a single one ever lied to me, and one
mis-spoke due to English not being his native language. And shortly
after that I'd managed to become good enough to actually watch much of
what the programs were doing, and guess what? Everything was verified.
But that's pretty much irrelevant; it only satisfied my own natural
curiousity. The proof is, that most such applications do exactly what
they claim they will do, ARE useful, some moreso than others, and DO
provide valuable and useful results.
Buried in my archives, the other day looking for something else based
on a similar name, I found a reference to my own discussion on how a
registry cleaner had shortened a boot time by a full 60 seconds. Out of
a 4 minute boot, that was pretty substantial. And, it was attribued to
3 separate and specific program applications. As for records of these
things, every single one is archived as my system has been under monthly
full and nightly incremental backups for longer than you have probably
known what the registry was even for. Not that well planned, but still
available, some go all the way back to CP/M days. And yes, I CAN read
CP/M 10 hard sectored, double-sided, 90k/side 5 1/4" floppies.

But then you get people like you that are so myopic they can only see
one tree amongst a whole forest. You key in on one small point that
hopefully will propel you to a successful banishment of the entire
forest in other's eyes and prove your'e right. It seldom works. If you
can't see the whole picture, you may as well not look because you won't
see anythign resembling a true picture of any event or situation.

Thanks for this opportunity,

Twayne

ROFLMAO!
By the way, when I used the term engineer before, I wasn't talking about a
train engineer, so I'm sorry for your possible confusion there.

Bilco said:

....
Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

No tweedlebrain, there's an educated, experienced open mind here who

Ummm, not really. But the denial is noted.

Evidence noted.

....
Actually, you are 100% wrong and again trying to use a micron-limited
focal length for your myopic observastions, watching carefully for
any words you can twist, any generalizations that, out of context,
can appear to be positive for your case, and other silly childish
nonsense.

Again, no substance, just ad hominems. Gee, what a surprise.

Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete,
and documented evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using these
registry cleaners, you have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I wonder
why?).

Again , 100% wrong but who would expect more from such an ignroant?

Once again, no substance, just ad hominems as your last recourse.

lol, got a word-a-day calendar? Lots of substance if you had any reading
comprehension.



I very seriously doubt that. Why? Because you only now, when
called, choose to provide any such information. You've simply made
a late coming generalization of non-fact to accomodate your alleged
situation. No meat, nothing. You even intimate that on the old 98
systems they were no good; you stepped on it big time there.

Actually, I never intimated such a thing. Perhaps you do have a
reading comprehension problem, afterall.

Yeah, you did; you just don't know what the thread is actually about.

....
lol, it HAS to be getting pretty short by now, to keep stepping on
it!

It wouldn't happen if you watched your steps! But I can't help you
there.

I wouldn't want you to help me pick up my dog's turds with your
background.


....
lol, well you're consistantly stupid, I'll admit that! What
boilerplate? Do you even know what boilerplate IS? And no, I don't
recall anything about logs and eyes

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least, unfortunately.

lol, really?


The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any
potential benefit it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

Ignorance and stupidity noted, once again. My turn now: I recall and
old saw about "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach". Jeez,
let's hope you never actually teach!


If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't
too, would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn
against.. Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

Woo, talk about projection; now we know you have education problems,
too. I finished my education probably in excess of at least 3 years
of your, and likely 7 or more years.

I wasn't talking about a train engineer when I mentioned the term
engineer.
And why you use the lies about
respect, I'll never know.
You're right, I have NOT seen evidence of the claims of the inane,
closed minded and otherwise disabled minds here are touting.

Self projection noted. (please look up the term sometime)

That's because I have continuous, actual experience, research the
issues and
applications I use, and bother to know what they are capable of and
what they are not capable of, before putting them into a production
situation.
Early on I doubted them, but gave them the benefit of the doubt and
asked for further information. When none were forthcoming I became
even more suspicious. It's not jus me either: Many people over time
early on asked for the same confirmation/verification so they too
could understant where the original authors were coming from. But
you know what? They obviously didn't have anything because they
never parted with anything of any sort to back up their contentions.
I on the other hand, have done so, early on especially, and with
some detailed white papers on the subject.
As time went on their claims became more and more injurious to
people who might believe them and they began to berate people who
dared to disagree with them. That's when I got involved and stepped
up my own research, re-read my old research, and having a curious
mind, even dug into the Innards of some of those programs I'd been
useing so successfully for so long, and even managed communications
with the code authors for further help. Not a single one ever lied
to me, and one mis-spoke due to English not being his native
language. And shortly after that I'd managed to become good enough
to actually watch much of what the programs were doing, and guess
what? Everything was verified. But that's pretty much irrelevant;
it only satisfied my own natural curiousity. The proof is, that
most such applications do exactly what they claim they will do, ARE
useful, some moreso than others, and DO provide valuable and useful
results. Buried in my archives, the other day looking for
something else based on a similar name, I found a reference to my
own discussion on how a registry cleaner had shortened a boot time
by a full 60 seconds. Out of a 4 minute boot, that was pretty
substantial. And, it was attribued to 3 separate and specific
program applications. As for records of these things, every single
one is archived as my system has been under monthly full and nightly
incremental backups for longer than you have probably known what the
registry was even for. Not that well planned, but still available,
some go all the way back to CP/M days. And yes, I CAN read CP/M 10
hard sectored, double-sided, 90k/side 5 1/4" floppies. But then you
get people like you that are so myopic they can only see
one tree amongst a whole forest. You key in on one small point that
hopefully will propel you to a successful banishment of the entire
forest in other's eyes and prove your'e right. It seldom works. If
you can't see the whole picture, you may as well not look because
you won't see anythign resembling a true picture of any event or
situation. Thanks for this opportunity,

Twayne

ROFLMAO!
By the way, when I used the term engineer before, I wasn't talking
about a train engineer, so I'm sorry for your possible confusion
there.

lol, well, since you never said anything about it other than to say what
you didn't mean by the term, I guess I can see what might have you
roflmao. You're pretty easily amused, as most children are.
You make an interesting sociological specimen in the way you attempt
to use sylabillic words and initialisms/acronyms as you blunder on.

Thanks again for this opportunity,

Twayne

Twane:

It is obvious that you think that you know everything, and no one
else knows anything. However, many of us log on to learn, or to help,
and it is much more difficult, and wastes a lot of time, if we must
wade though pages of your calling people names. If you are better
informed, why not simply state your argument, and let others decide
who they wish to believe?

It is even possilbe that, under different circumstances, each side has
arguments with merit. But, spewing venom is not a plus, if you are
trying to change minds. Perhaps your time might be better spent if you
considered for a moment why you are so angry and intolerant.

Relax. We are not at war with each other. We are here to help one
another.

~~Robert

On Dec 22, 3:28*pm, "Twayne" wrote:
Bilco said:

...

Pot, kettle. * And self-projection noted once again.

No tweedlebrain, there's an educated, experienced open mind here who

Ummm, not really. * *But the denial is noted.

Evidence noted.

...





Actually, you are 100% wrong and again trying to use a micron-limited
focal length for your myopic observastions, watching carefully for
any words you can twist, any generalizations that, out of context,
can appear to be positive for your case, and other silly childish
nonsense.

Again, no substance, just ad hominems. * *Gee, what a surprise.

Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete,
and documented evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using these
registry cleaners, you have run and ducked out. *(Gee now, I wonder
why?).

Again , 100% wrong but who would expect more from such an ignroant?

Once again, no substance, just ad hominems as your last recourse.

lol, got a word-a-day calendar? Lots of substance if you had any reading
comprehension.



I very seriously doubt that. *Why? *Because you only now, when
called, choose to provide any such information. *You've simply made
a late coming generalization of non-fact to accomodate your alleged
situation. No meat, nothing. *You even intimate that on the old 98
systems they were no good; you stepped on it big time there.

Actually, I never intimated such a thing. * *Perhaps you do have a
reading comprehension problem, afterall.

Yeah, you did; you just don't know what the thread is actually about.

...

lol, it HAS to be getting pretty short by now, to keep stepping on
it!

It wouldn't happen if you watched your steps! * But I can't help you
there.

I wouldn't want you to help me pick up my dog's turds with your
background.





...
lol, well you're consistantly stupid, I'll admit that! *What
boilerplate? *Do you even know what boilerplate IS? And no, I don't
recall anything about logs and eyes

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least, unfortunately.

lol, really?





The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any
potential benefit it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from an
ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

Ignorance and stupidity noted, once again. *My turn now: I recall and
old saw about "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach". *Jeez,
let's hope you never actually teach!

If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't
too, would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly warn
against.. Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? * Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

Woo, talk about projection; now we know you have education problems,
too. *I finished my education probably in excess of at least 3 years
of your, and likely 7 or more years.

I wasn't talking about a train engineer when I mentioned the term
engineer.
And why you use the lies about
respect, I'll never know.
* You're right, I have NOT seen evidence of the claims of the inane,
closed minded and otherwise disabled minds here are touting.

Self projection noted. * (please look up the term sometime)

That's because I have continuous, actual experience, research the
issues and
applications I use, and bother to know what they are capable of and
what they are not capable of, before putting them into a production
situation.
* Early on I doubted them, but gave them the benefit of the doubt and
asked for further information. *When none were forthcoming I became
even more suspicious. *It's not jus me either: Many people over time
early on asked for the same confirmation/verification so they too
could understant where the original authors were coming from. *But
you know what? *They obviously didn't have anything because they
never parted with anything of any sort to back up their contentions.
I on the other hand, have done so, early on especially, and with
some detailed white papers on the subject.
* As time went on their claims became more and more injurious to
people who might believe them and they began to berate people who
dared to disagree with them. *That's when I got involved and stepped
up my own research, re-read my old research, and having a curious
mind, even dug into the Innards of some of those programs I'd been
useing so successfully for so long, and even managed communications
with the code authors for further help. *Not a single one ever lied
to me, and one mis-spoke due to English not being his native
language. *And shortly after that I'd managed to become good enough
to actually watch much of what the programs were doing, and guess
* what? *Everything was verified. But that's pretty much irrelevant;
it only satisfied my own natural curiousity. *The proof is, that
most such applications do exactly what they claim they will do, ARE
useful, some moreso than others, and DO provide valuable and useful
* results. Buried in my archives, the other day looking for
something else based on a similar name, I found a reference to my
own discussion on how a registry cleaner had shortened a boot time
by a full 60 seconds. *Out of a 4 minute boot, that was pretty
substantial. *And, it was attribued to 3 separate and specific
program applications. *As for records of these things, every single
one is archived as my system has been under monthly full and nightly
incremental backups for longer than you have probably known what the
registry was even for. Not that well planned, but still available,
some go all the way back to CP/M days. *And yes, I CAN read CP/M 10
hard sectored, double-sided, 90k/side 5 1/4" floppies. But then you
get people like you that are so myopic they can only see
one tree amongst a whole forest. *You key in on one small point that
hopefully will propel you to a successful banishment of the entire
forest in other's eyes and prove your'e right. *It seldom works. *If
you can't see the whole picture, you may as well not look because
you won't see anythign resembling a true picture of any event or
situation. Thanks for this opportunity,

Twayne

ROFLMAO!
By the way, when I used the term engineer before, I wasn't talking
about a train engineer, so I'm sorry for your possible confusion
there.

lol, well, since you never said anything about it other than to say what
you didn't mean by the term, I guess I can see what might have you
roflmao. You're pretty easily amused, as most children are.
* *You make an interesting sociological specimen in the way you attempt
to use sylabillic words and initialisms/acronyms as you blunder on.

Thanks again for this opportunity,

Twayne

Twane:

It is obvious that you think that you know everything, and no one
else knows anything.

Nope, that's your own take on things, but your'e certainly entitled to
your opinions. There are a lot of things I don't know or I'd answer a
lot more posts here. A LOT of people know a lot more than I do.
However, when a few are pushing constant misinformation about one
specific subject, I can no long let their lies, innuendo and
misinformation pass for "good" information. All they have to do to stop
the posts is to admit that not all registry cleaners are bad, are
useless, and/or will cause damage to a person's computer, are to be
completely avoided, etc., thereby attempting to remove perfectly good,
and often free, tools that many could make use of, or, just simply quit
spewing that misinformation.
I refuse to back down when I know I am right and have many years of
experience and study in that exact same field which proves that they are
wrong. I've posted a small amount of it here and if you look back in the
posts, you'll see why I don't give them more cognizant information; they
only use it to twist and twine things into oblivion as opposed to making
any sensible arguements for their own positions. Initially I thought
maybe they knew someting I didn't, and I asked for details. But long
story short, they had none, one guy even saying that just his saying so
was enough that I should believe his tripe, so ... the misinformation
can no longer go unchallenged IMO. As it turns out they know very
little about the subject and have nothing to back up their contentions
but they are too ignorant to admit their folly and have no intention of
doing any research etc. that may expose the truth to them.

In addition, you will note that the ONLY time I take anyone to task is
for blatant publishing of misinformation. If you don't like reading
that sort of thing, no one is forcing you to read my posts or even the
posts of the closed minded ignorants with their useless, misleading
boilerplates. It is not I that initiate the misinformationist comments
they make.

However, many of us log on to learn, or to help,
and it is much more difficult, and wastes a lot of time, if we must
wade though pages of your calling people names. If you are better
informed, why not simply state your argument, and let others decide
who they wish to believe?

Then perhaps you need to learn how to use your mailreader and how to
manage threads more efficiently. I have no intention of stopping as
long as the misinformationists continue with their libelous crusage
against perfectly functional, useful, safe tools.


It is even possilbe that, under different circumstances, each side has
arguments with merit.

No, that's not true any longer. Ask any of the crew who are so adamant
about registry cleaners. Look back thru the old posts; you'll see
exactly what the situation is. There will never be any evidence
provided by them to back up their contentions because they do not have
any, but they are not going to admit that. As evidence, note the one
yesterday about how MS killed their own cleaner tool in what, 1994? He
didn't even know that MS had recently released exactly such a tool
again, not too awfully long ago. And the list goes on. Yet they feel
the authority to spew misinformation about it, which gives me the
opportunity to show them up for the closed minds they are. You may also
note that there are three of four who post about no other subject, in
fact, spewing boilerplate after boilerplate, without any supporting
information of any kind. I don't toss in a lot, but the other day I
commented on a boot time improvement of 60 Seconds using one of their
dreaded tools, which historically over the years have not ever created a
singly instance of OS problems for me.

...But, spewing venom is not a plus, if you are

If you think that's spewing venom, you are a newbie and/or need a much
thicker skin to participate on public newsgroups. This is mild, and in
general actually kept to a reasonably quiet level by both sides. But
you'll see what I mean as you gain experience and move from group to
group.

trying to change minds. Perhaps your time might be better spent if you
considered for a moment why you are so angry and intolerant.

I am not angry. I am simply factual and analytic by nature and
education. And the ONLY intolerance you can possibly have ever seen
from me anywhere, is my prejudice against misinformation by those who
should know better and who refuse to open their eyes to see what is
right in front of them.
It might even appear that your own intolerance is showing somewhat
here; don't let it bug you. It's not worth it. Relax, and do what you
feel is the right thing to do.


Relax. We are not at war with each other. We are here to help one
another.

Nope, no war. And I am quite relaxed, actually. Because you find me
posting against misinformation doesn't mean I need to relax or am upset
of whatever ... I'm a touch typist and can type nearly as fast as I can
speak, so it's no task for me to post my own information against that of
the misinformation. It's people who insist on posting misinformation,
who know it is not accurate, and think they can dicatate the attitudes
of others w/r to which tools to use with their computers that seem to
get upset. Live quiver and all that, I guess some would call it.


~~Robert

No animosity here, Robert; I'm not mad, have no intention of "getting
even" with anyone or anything of the kind; just keeping the good fight
against misinformation for newbies and the inexperienced. A small group
of closed minds here have most people actually afraid to even mention
the subject for fear of being flamed; you can see that too in the older
posts if you take a look. I'd like to see that end and plan to do what
I can about it, as little as that may be. But when I see the
misinformation it's no problem to post an opposing view and suggest my
own opinions of why they are offering such silliness and point out how
closed their minds are, including descriptions of specifics of it all.
I simply support the accurate side of the inforamation and nothing more.

So, I'll keep posting when I see incorrect information and you keep on
reading and learning how not to read a post you think may upset you.

Regards,

Twayne




On Dec 22, 3:28 pm, "Twayne" wrote:
Bilco said:

...

Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

No tweedlebrain, there's an educated, experienced open mind here
who

Ummm, not really. But the denial is noted.

Evidence noted.

...





Actually, you are 100% wrong and again trying to use a
micron-limited focal length for your myopic observastions,
watching carefully for any words you can twist, any
generalizations that, out of context, can appear to be positive
for your case, and other silly childish nonsense.

Again, no substance, just ad hominems. Gee, what a surprise.

Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete,
and documented evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using
these registry cleaners, you have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I
wonder why?).

Again , 100% wrong but who would expect more from such an ignroant?

Once again, no substance, just ad hominems as your last recourse.

lol, got a word-a-day calendar? Lots of substance if you had any
reading comprehension.



I very seriously doubt that. Why? Because you only now, when
called, choose to provide any such information. You've simply made
a late coming generalization of non-fact to accomodate your alleged
situation. No meat, nothing. You even intimate that on the old 98
systems they were no good; you stepped on it big time there.

Actually, I never intimated such a thing. Perhaps you do have a
reading comprehension problem, afterall.

Yeah, you did; you just don't know what the thread is actually about.

...

lol, it HAS to be getting pretty short by now, to keep stepping on
it!

It wouldn't happen if you watched your steps! But I can't help you
there.

I wouldn't want you to help me pick up my dog's turds with your
background.





...
lol, well you're consistantly stupid, I'll admit that! What
boilerplate? Do you even know what boilerplate IS? And no, I don't
recall anything about logs and eyes

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least, unfortunately.

lol, really?





The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any
potential benefit it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from
an ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

Ignorance and stupidity noted, once again. My turn now: I recall
and old saw about "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach".
Jeez, let's hope you never actually teach!

If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't
too, would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly
warn against.. Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

Woo, talk about projection; now we know you have education
problems, too. I finished my education probably in excess of at
least 3 years of your, and likely 7 or more years.

I wasn't talking about a train engineer when I mentioned the term
engineer.
And why you use the lies about
respect, I'll never know.
You're right, I have NOT seen evidence of the claims of the inane,
closed minded and otherwise disabled minds here are touting.

Self projection noted. (please look up the term sometime)

That's because I have continuous, actual experience, research the
issues and
applications I use, and bother to know what they are capable of and
what they are not capable of, before putting them into a production
situation.
Early on I doubted them, but gave them the benefit of the doubt and
asked for further information. When none were forthcoming I became
even more suspicious. It's not jus me either: Many people over time
early on asked for the same confirmation/verification so they too
could understant where the original authors were coming from. But
you know what? They obviously didn't have anything because they
never parted with anything of any sort to back up their
contentions. I on the other hand, have done so, early on
especially, and with some detailed white papers on the subject.
As time went on their claims became more and more injurious to
people who might believe them and they began to berate people who
dared to disagree with them. That's when I got involved and stepped
up my own research, re-read my old research, and having a curious
mind, even dug into the Innards of some of those programs I'd been
useing so successfully for so long, and even managed communications
with the code authors for further help. Not a single one ever lied
to me, and one mis-spoke due to English not being his native
language. And shortly after that I'd managed to become good enough
to actually watch much of what the programs were doing, and guess
what? Everything was verified. But that's pretty much irrelevant;
it only satisfied my own natural curiousity. The proof is, that
most such applications do exactly what they claim they will do, ARE
useful, some moreso than others, and DO provide valuable and useful
results. Buried in my archives, the other day looking for
something else based on a similar name, I found a reference to my
own discussion on how a registry cleaner had shortened a boot time
by a full 60 seconds. Out of a 4 minute boot, that was pretty
substantial. And, it was attribued to 3 separate and specific
program applications. As for records of these things, every single
one is archived as my system has been under monthly full and
nightly incremental backups for longer than you have probably
known what the registry was even for. Not that well planned, but
still available, some go all the way back to CP/M days. And yes, I
CAN read CP/M 10 hard sectored, double-sided, 90k/side 5 1/4"
floppies. But then you get people like you that are so myopic they
can only see
one tree amongst a whole forest. You key in on one small point that
hopefully will propel you to a successful banishment of the entire
forest in other's eyes and prove your'e right. It seldom works. If
you can't see the whole picture, you may as well not look because
you won't see anythign resembling a true picture of any event or
situation. Thanks for this opportunity,

Twayne

ROFLMAO!
By the way, when I used the term engineer before, I wasn't talking
about a train engineer, so I'm sorry for your possible confusion
there.

lol, well, since you never said anything about it other than to say
what you didn't mean by the term, I guess I can see what might have
you roflmao. You're pretty easily amused, as most children are.
You make an interesting sociological specimen in the way you attempt
to use sylabillic words and initialisms/acronyms as you blunder on.

Thanks again for this opportunity,

Twayne

By golly, Twane, I did learn something from you:

When I see your name come up, skip the post.

~~Robert


On Dec 23, 7:50*pm, "Twayne" wrote:
Twane:

*It is obvious that you think that you know everything, and no one
else knows anything.

Nope, that's your own take on things, but your'e certainly entitled to
your opinions. *There are a lot of things I don't know or I'd answer a
lot more posts here. *A LOT of people know a lot more than I do.
However, when a few are pushing constant misinformation about one
specific subject, I can no long let their lies, innuendo and
misinformation pass for "good" information. *All they have to do to stop
the posts is to admit that not all registry cleaners are bad, are
useless, and/or will cause damage to a person's computer, are to be
completely avoided, etc., thereby attempting to remove perfectly good,
and often free, tools that many could make use of, or, just simply quit
spewing that misinformation.
* I refuse to back down when I know I am right and have many years of
experience and study in that exact same field which proves that they are
wrong. I've posted a small amount of it here and if you look back in the
posts, you'll see why I don't give them more cognizant information; they
only use it to twist and twine things into oblivion as opposed to making
any sensible arguements for their own positions. * *Initially I thought
maybe they knew someting I didn't, and I asked for details. *But long
story short, they had none, one guy even saying that just his saying so
was enough that I should believe his tripe, so ... the misinformation
can no longer go unchallenged IMO. *As it turns out they know very
little about the subject and have nothing to back up their contentions
but they are too ignorant to admit their folly and have no intention of
doing any research etc. that may expose the truth to them.

In addition, you will note that the ONLY time I take anyone to task is
for blatant publishing of misinformation. *If you don't like reading
that sort of thing, no one is forcing you to read my posts or even the
posts of the closed minded ignorants with their useless, misleading
boilerplates. *It is not I that initiate the misinformationist comments
they make.

*However, many of us log on to learn, or to help,

and it is much more difficult, and wastes a lot of time, if we must
wade though pages of your calling people names. If you are better
informed, why not simply state your argument, and let others decide
who they wish to believe?

Then perhaps you need to learn how to use your mailreader and how to
manage threads more efficiently. *I have no intention of stopping as
long as the misinformationists continue with their libelous crusage
against perfectly functional, useful, safe tools.



It is even possilbe that, under different circumstances, each side has
arguments with merit.

No, that's not true any longer. *Ask any of the crew who are so adamant
about registry cleaners. *Look back thru the old posts; you'll see
exactly what the situation is. *There will never be any evidence
provided by them to back up their contentions because they do not have
any, but they are not going to admit that. *As evidence, note the one
yesterday about how MS killed their own cleaner tool in what, 1994? *He
didn't even know that MS had recently released exactly such a tool
again, *not too awfully long ago. *And the list goes on. *Yet they feel
the authority to spew misinformation about it, which gives me the
opportunity to show them up for the closed minds they are. *You may also
note that there are three of four who post about no other subject, in
fact, spewing boilerplate after boilerplate, without any supporting
information of any kind. *I don't toss in a lot, but the other day I
commented on a boot time improvement of 60 Seconds using one of their
dreaded tools, which historically over the years have not ever created a
singly instance of OS problems for me.

* ...But, spewing venom is not a plus, if you are

If you think that's spewing venom, you are a newbie and/or need a much
thicker skin to participate on public newsgroups. *This is mild, and in
general actually kept to a reasonably quiet level by both sides. *But
you'll see what I mean as you gain experience and move from group to
group.

trying to change minds. Perhaps your time might be better spent if you
considered for a moment why you are so angry and intolerant.

I am not angry. *I am simply factual and analytic by nature and
education. *And the ONLY intolerance you can possibly have ever seen
from me anywhere, is my prejudice against misinformation by those who
should know better and who refuse to open their eyes to see what is
right in front of them.
* *It might even appear that your own intolerance is showing somewhat
here; don't let it bug you. *It's not worth it. *Relax, and do what you
feel is the right thing to do.



Relax. We are not at war with each other. We are here to help one
another.

Nope, no war. And I am quite relaxed, actually. *Because you find me
posting against misinformation doesn't mean I need to relax or am upset
of whatever ... I'm a touch typist and can type nearly as fast as I can
speak, so it's no task for me to post my own information against that of
the misinformation. * *It's people who insist on posting misinformation,
who know it is not accurate, and think they can dicatate the attitudes
of others w/r to which tools to use with their computers that seem to
get upset. *Live quiver and all that, I guess some would call it.



~~Robert

No animosity here, Robert; I'm not mad, have no intention of "getting
even" with anyone or anything of the kind; just keeping the good fight
against misinformation for newbies and the inexperienced. *A small group
of closed minds here have most people actually afraid to even mention
the subject for fear of being flamed; you can see that too in the older
posts if you take a look. *I'd like to see that end and plan to do what
I can about it, as little as that may be. *But when I see the
misinformation it's no problem to post an opposing view and suggest my
own opinions of why they are offering such silliness and point out how
closed their minds are, including descriptions of specifics of it all.
I simply support the accurate side of the inforamation and nothing more.

So, I'll keep posting when I see incorrect information and you keep on
reading and learning how not to read a post you think may upset you.

Regards,

Twayne





On Dec 22, 3:28 pm, "Twayne" wrote:
Bilco said:

...

Pot, kettle. And self-projection noted once again.

No tweedlebrain, there's an educated, experienced open mind here
who

Ummm, not really. But the denial is noted.

Evidence noted.

...

Actually, you are 100% wrong and again trying to use a
micron-limited focal length for your myopic observastions,
watching carefully for any words you can twist, any
generalizations that, out of context, can appear to be positive
for your case, and other silly childish nonsense.

Again, no substance, just ad hominems. Gee, what a surprise.

Every single time when asked to provide ANY real, concrete,
and documented evidence of such (alleged) "benefits" of using
these registry cleaners, you have run and ducked out. (Gee now, I
wonder why?).

Again , 100% wrong but who would expect more from such an ignroant?

Once again, no substance, just ad hominems as your last recourse.

lol, got a word-a-day calendar? Lots of substance if you had any
reading comprehension.

I very seriously doubt that. Why? Because you only now, when
called, choose to provide any such information. You've simply made
a late coming generalization of non-fact to accomodate your alleged
situation. No meat, nothing. You even intimate that on the old 98
systems they were no good; you stepped on it big time there.

Actually, I never intimated such a thing. Perhaps you do have a
reading comprehension problem, afterall.

Yeah, you did; you just don't know what the thread is actually about.

...

lol, it HAS to be getting pretty short by now, to keep stepping on
it!

It wouldn't happen if you watched your steps! But I can't help you
there.

I wouldn't want you to help me pick up my dog's turds with your
background.

...
lol, well you're consistantly stupid, I'll admit that! What
boilerplate? Do you even know what boilerplate IS? And no, I don't
recall anything about logs and eyes

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least, unfortunately.

lol, really?

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
erroneously removing an entry you need is far greater than any
potential benefit it may have.

And that is patently untrue and pure misinformation coming from
an ignorant, closed mind.

Projection noted, once again.

Ignorance and stupidity noted, once again. My turn now: I recall
and old saw about "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach".
Jeez, let's hope you never actually teach!

If there were even so much as a seed of truth to
your statement myself and many others I know, and a lot I don't
too, would have had the problems you so ignorantly constantly
warn against.. Yet it hasn't happened. I wonder why that is?

Because *you* haven't seen it? Yes, we "understand".
I'd respectfully suggest you go back and finish up your education.

Woo, talk about projection; now we know you have education
problems, too. I finished my education probably in excess of at
least 3 years of your, and likely 7 or more years.

I wasn't talking about a train engineer when I mentioned the term
engineer.
And why you use the lies about
respect, I'll never

...

read more »

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:17:03 -0800 (PST), "~~Robert"
wrote:

By golly, Twane, I did learn something from you:

When I see your name come up, skip the post.

Use a news reader instead of Google Groups and it's even easier:
killfile.