Windows Updates Drivers

I already have and have no problems whatsoever. My video is Nvidia.
"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

Talk about dumb and stupid advice. One of the reasons the update is
still at the manufacturer is because it has NOT been tested and
approved by MS. My advice stands. Don't update unless necessary. Get
your updates from MS after they have been approved. You are a self
anointed spreader of bad advice not moderator. WAKE UP.

ROFL! Please go ahead and use Windows Update to update your video
drivers. You deserve them.

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Would you care to give me a known problem and the fix from a manufacturer.
Lets talk facts here not emotional BS. I suppose you even use antivirus
programs??
"wojo" wrote in message
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

Talk about dumb and stupid advice. One of the reasons the update is
still at the manufacturer is because it has NOT been tested and
approved by MS. My advice stands. Don't update unless necessary. Get
your updates from MS after they have been approved. You are a self
anointed spreader of bad advice not moderator. WAKE UP.

ROFL! Please go ahead and use Windows Update to update your video
drivers. You deserve them.

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I don't make it a habit too often to agree with kurttrail but unknown you
are completely nuts if you think your advice here is good advice.

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I am not referring to known problems and/or fixes.
I am referring to the fact that the drivers created by Microsoft are, as
Kurt said, generic in nature and not designed for the specific hardware in
most cases. If they ae then they are basically the same as the ones on the
manufacturers website. The manufacturer will have the most updated drivers
available and this should be obvious to anybody who decides to apply a
little logic.

And if your tellng me that I am wrong for using antivirus programs then I
won't even bother to respond to anymore communication you bother to post in
this thread because that is completely ridiculous.

"Unknown" wrote in message
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Would you care to give me a known problem and the fix from a manufacturer.
Lets talk facts here not emotional BS. I suppose you even use antivirus
programs??
"wojo" wrote in message
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

Talk about dumb and stupid advice. One of the reasons the update is
still at the manufacturer is because it has NOT been tested and
approved by MS. My advice stands. Don't update unless necessary. Get
your updates from MS after they have been approved. You are a self
anointed spreader of bad advice not moderator. WAKE UP.

ROFL! Please go ahead and use Windows Update to update your video
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I don't make it a habit too often to agree with kurttrail but unknown you
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Unknown wrote:

I already have and have no problems whatsoever. My video is Nvidia.

ROFL! How does it feel to be a laughingstock?

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We'll take advantage of you & I actually agreeing civily (is that a word?)
Did you read his post to me?
Aparently we're all moron's beause we use AV software!
Laughingstock is right!

They are not 'generic' in nature. They are obtained from the manufacturer.
Microsoft then tests them in as many configurations as possible. They then
become 'signed' drivers.
There are many devices in existance that manufacturers have no intensions of
updating to the XP level. Microsoft in this case keeps those drivers to
support old hardware. Perhaps that is what you are referring to.
And if you tell me you're using virus scanners that is the tipoff that you
have no programming experience and lack in overall computer knowledge.
Ridiculous you say?? Why don't you delete all your virus programs, use common
sense and see how a computer should run. There are far more (magnitudes) of
problems caused by virus detect programs than problems prevented. Once again
you speak with emotion rather than fact.
"wojo" wrote in message
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I am not referring to known problems and/or fixes.
I am referring to the fact that the drivers created by Microsoft are, as
Kurt said, generic in nature and not designed for the specific hardware in
most cases. If they ae then they are basically the same as the ones on the
manufacturers website. The manufacturer will have the most updated drivers
available and this should be obvious to anybody who decides to apply a
little logic.

And if your tellng me that I am wrong for using antivirus programs then I
won't even bother to respond to anymore communication you bother to post in
this thread because that is completely ridiculous.

"Unknown" wrote in message
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Would you care to give me a known problem and the fix from a manufacturer.
Lets talk facts here not emotional BS. I suppose you even use antivirus
programs??
"wojo" wrote in message
...

"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

Talk about dumb and stupid advice. One of the reasons the update is
still at the manufacturer is because it has NOT been tested and
approved by MS. My advice stands. Don't update unless necessary. Get
your updates from MS after they have been approved. You are a self
anointed spreader of bad advice not moderator. WAKE UP.

ROFL! Please go ahead and use Windows Update to update your video
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I don't make it a habit too often to agree with kurttrail but unknown you
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Unfortunately for you, you merely display your ignorance.
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

I already have and have no problems whatsoever. My video is Nvidia.

ROFL! How does it feel to be a laughingstock?

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We'll take advantage of you & I actually agreeing civily (is that a word?)
Did you read his post to me?
Aparently we're all moron's beause we use AV software!
Laughingstock is right!

I guess we're all entitled to our own opinions

"Unknown" wrote in message
m...
Unfortunately for you, you merely display your ignorance.
"wojo" wrote in message
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

I already have and have no problems whatsoever. My video is Nvidia.

ROFL! How does it feel to be a laughingstock?

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We'll take advantage of you & I actually agreeing civily (is that a
word?)
Did you read his post to me?
Aparently we're all moron's beause we use AV software!
Laughingstock is right!

That is very true but, in your posts and post responses you leave the
impression that what you're saying is fact.
"wojo" wrote in message
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I guess we're all entitled to our own opinions

"Unknown" wrote in message
m...
Unfortunately for you, you merely display your ignorance.
"wojo" wrote in message
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Unknown wrote:

I already have and have no problems whatsoever. My video is Nvidia.

ROFL! How does it feel to be a laughingstock?

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We'll take advantage of you & I actually agreeing civily (is that a
word?)
Did you read his post to me?
Aparently we're all moron's beause we use AV software!
Laughingstock is right!

When the driver exist at Nvidia they are always superior to those from MS, the
MS version is something "lite", i.e.: it's not optimize for full peek
performance, that's why I always use those from Nvidia

BTW. when you use the MS and then upgrade to Nvidia's own, the driver reappear
on the list of the Windows Update

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Merci a l'Avance

Martin
"Unknown" wrote in message
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When you update from MS, installation data is recorded and kept. When you
update elsewhere the installation data is not recorded and kept. Since Nvidia
updates are supported by MS don't update from the manufacturer unless
absolutely necessary. IE. the update will eventually be available via MS. You
can try installing from MS, then, update from the manufacturer. But,I haven't
tried this so don't know if the installation logs will show the MS update as
being installed.
"Martin Racette" wrote in message
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Hi,

I have a little problem with WindowsUpdate, everytime that I go check for
updates I 2 NVidia driver (I have a motherboard with Nvidia chipset, and a
TI4400 videocard), but I have more recent drivers installed, how come
windowsupdate still list those outdated driver, if I have already installed
more
recent, directly from the Nvidia web site

OR how can I configure the Windows Update to not show me these updates ?

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Martin

ok then what I am saying is my opinion.
Shared opinion yes, but opinion.
Better?

"Unknown" wrote in message
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That is very true but, in your posts and post responses you leave the
impression that what you're saying is fact.
"wojo" wrote in message
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I guess we're all entitled to our own opinions

"Unknown" wrote in message
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Unfortunately for you, you merely display your ignorance.
"wojo" wrote in message
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"kurttrail" wrote in
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Unknown wrote:

I already have and have no problems whatsoever. My video is Nvidia.

ROFL! How does it feel to be a laughingstock?

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We'll take advantage of you & I actually agreeing civily (is that a
word?)
Did you read his post to me?
Aparently we're all moron's beause we use AV software!
Laughingstock is right!

There's a known issue between XP and Creative (Sound Blaster) sound cards,
most notably the SB Live generation of cards, wherein users will receive a
delvdr error when shutting down their computers; the updated drivers from
the Creative website resolve the issue.

There's known issue between Roxio's Easy CD Creator 5 and XP wherein after
installation, upon rebooting the system, users will receive a notice that
the Direct CD component is not compatible with XP and has been disabled.
Updates from the Roxio website resolve the issue.

That's two right there.

To be clear, the drivers at Windows Update are supplied by the device
manufacturer's as is the case for the drivers that ship with XP. Typically,
these drivers are minimalist and don't usually support all the functions of
the device. I'm guessing the reason for this is space on the CD as the
fuller featured versions are typically much larger. Drivers distributed at
Windows Update are the same class of drivers as found on the XP CD but later
versions which might also be included in later versions of the OS.

Some do work just fine but often the drivers at Windows Update are outdated
because not every new iteration of device driver ends up at Windows Update.
Some don't work so well. First, they are not subjected to the same rigorous
testing across the wide install base tested when the OS is in beta. Second,
Sometimes integrated features supported by the drivers direct from the
manufacturer's websites includes code that supports the primary drivers and
when that code is not included, depending upon setup and demands from the
user as in what else is installed that might use the drivers, systems can
become unstable, crash or have other issues as a result.

--
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Windows Shell/User
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"Unknown" wrote in message
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Would you care to give me a known problem and the fix from a manufacturer.
Lets talk facts here not emotional BS. I suppose you even use antivirus
programs??
"wojo" wrote in message
...

My impression differed when it came to AV software.
At first I wasn't sure which way he was going with the comment but in a
later post he tells me

"Why don't you delete all your virus programs, use common sense and see how
a computer should run. There are far more (magnitudes) of problems caused by
virus detect programs than problems prevented"

I take that to mean your better off without AV software to which I respond
that the idea is ridiculous.


"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in
message ...
You're welcome, Wojo.

In the context in which Unknown mentioned antivirus, I was under the
impression he was making a point about AV software and issues it can cause
versus those of driver issues. That seemed to spiral a bit into whether
or not AV software should even be used.

In the context of whether or not it should be installed and used, my
answer is an unequivocal yes. I don't want to give any user the
impression they could be so careful as to avoid that need.

That said, it seemed to me that Unknown wasn't suggesting that no one
should install such software and that he was limiting his view to
specialized cases of very experienced users.

In my view, that still leaves too much to chance. You can get a virus
from a website without having consciously downloaded anything simply by
clicking an item at the website, it doesn't have to be an ad or a popup,
just some malicious code. I don't think you can simply say, well, I'll
never go to such a site because you can't always know before you get their
that you haven't responded to a ruse for exactly that purpose.

As I and other's in the MVP program check the newsgroups, we try to watch
for such posts and click the links ourselves to check the sites and post
warnings but we are not always here, we're not always online and
personally, I've just seen too many devious things go on from the bogus
security e-mails purporting to be from Microsoft that also include
malicious attachments (Microsoft never attaches security updates to its
security notifications) to people in some newsgroups posting a virus that
executes when you open the post.

Many times my AV software has saved me from such malicious posts and
that's certainly an instance where regardless of knowledge or how careful
you are, you can become an innocent victim.

There are enough different antivirus applications out there that people
should be able to find one that offers them the needed protection without
them having to incur the problems that some such applications can cause.
Some weigh very heavy on the system, some are quite lite and virtually all
offer free trial versions that would allow users to test to see which
works best with their setup.
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"wojo" wrote in message
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Thank you Michael
However, I notice you chose not to address whether or not AV software
should be used.
Wojo

"Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User)" wrote in
message ...
There's a known issue between XP and Creative (Sound Blaster) sound
cards, most notably the SB Live generation of cards, wherein users will
receive a delvdr error when shutting down their computers; the updated
drivers from the Creative website resolve the issue.

There's known issue between Roxio's Easy CD Creator 5 and XP wherein
after installation, upon rebooting the system, users will receive a
notice that the Direct CD component is not compatible with XP and has
been disabled. Updates from the Roxio website resolve the issue.

That's two right there.

To be clear, the drivers at Windows Update are supplied by the device
manufacturer's as is the case for the drivers that ship with XP.
Typically, these drivers are minimalist and don't usually support all
the functions of the device. I'm guessing the reason for this is space
on the CD as the fuller featured versions are typically much larger.
Drivers distributed at Windows Update are the same class of drivers as
found on the XP CD but later versions which might also be included in
later versions of the OS.

Some do work just fine but often the drivers at Windows Update are
outdated because not every new iteration of device driver ends up at
Windows Update. Some don't work so well. First, they are not subjected
to the same rigorous testing across the wide install base tested when
the OS is in beta. Second, Sometimes integrated features supported by
the drivers direct from the manufacturer's websites includes code that
supports the primary drivers and when that code is not included,
depending upon setup and demands from the user as in what else is
installed that might use the drivers, systems can become unstable, crash
or have other issues as a result.

--
Michael Solomon MS-MVP
Windows Shell/User
Backup is a PC User's Best Friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

"Unknown" wrote in message
news Would you care to give me a known problem and the fix from a
manufacturer.
Lets talk facts here not emotional BS. I suppose you even use antivirus
programs??
"wojo" wrote in message
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Don't push it, Wojo!VBG

Coming from Kurt, I took it as a major compliment!:-)

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"wojo" wrote in message
.. .

"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User) wrote:

There's a known issue between XP and Creative (Sound Blaster) sound
cards, most notably the SB Live generation of cards, wherein users
will receive a delvdr error when shutting down their computers; the
updated drivers from the Creative website resolve the issue.

There's known issue between Roxio's Easy CD Creator 5 and XP wherein
after installation, upon rebooting the system, users will receive a
notice that the Direct CD component is not compatible with XP and has
been disabled. Updates from the Roxio website resolve the issue.

That's two right there.

To be clear, the drivers at Windows Update are supplied by the device
manufacturer's as is the case for the drivers that ship with XP.
Typically, these drivers are minimalist and don't usually support all
the functions of the device. I'm guessing the reason for this is
space on the CD as the fuller featured versions are typically much
larger. Drivers distributed at Windows Update are the same class of
drivers as found on the XP CD but later versions which might also be
included in later versions of the OS.

Some do work just fine but often the drivers at Windows Update are
outdated because not every new iteration of device driver ends up at
Windows Update. Some don't work so well. First, they are not
subjected to the same rigorous testing across the wide install base
tested when the OS is in beta. Second, Sometimes integrated features
supported by the drivers direct from the manufacturer's websites
includes code that supports the primary drivers and when that code is
not included, depending upon setup and demands from the user as in
what else is installed that might use the drivers, systems can become
unstable, crash or have other issues as a result.

A very balanced and fair assestment and explanation about the drivers on
Windows Update.

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Wow we're all just so friendly with each other today.
Brought a tear to my eye :-)

Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User) wrote:

Don't push it, Wojo!VBG

ROFL!


Coming from Kurt, I took it as a major compliment!:-)

And I sincerely meant it!

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:-) Thanks, Kurt, greatly appreciated!

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User) wrote:

Don't push it, Wojo!VBG

ROFL!


Coming from Kurt, I took it as a major compliment!:-)

And I sincerely meant it!

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