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Old August 5th 15, 11:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BobH[_2_]
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1

I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was
from an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same
programs etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1, but
if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with both
ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something went
wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever and
sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd one
boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.
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Old August 5th 15, 02:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1


"BobH" wrote in message
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I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was from
an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same programs
etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1, but
if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with both
ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something went
wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever and
sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd one
boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.


http://www.askvg.com/tip-dual-boot-b...ndows-78-1-os/

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Old August 5th 15, 03:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BobH[_2_]
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1

On 05/08/2015 14:14, Live wrote:

"BobH" wrote in message
...
I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was
from an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same
programs etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1,
but if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with
both ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of
win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something
went wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever
and sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd
one boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.


http://www.askvg.com/tip-dual-boot-b...ndows-78-1-os/


Yes, I read that information prior to doing anything,but it does not say
that 1 drive should be disconnected or not.
It does seem to say that you should just install windows 10 as a clean
installation on the 2nd drive, but is that with or without the 1st
drive connected??
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Old August 5th 15, 03:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1

BobH wrote:
On 05/08/2015 14:14, Live wrote:

"BobH" wrote in message
...
I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was
from an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same
programs etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1,
but if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with
both ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of
win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something
went wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever
and sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd
one boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.


http://www.askvg.com/tip-dual-boot-b...ndows-78-1-os/



Yes, I read that information prior to doing anything,but it does not say
that 1 drive should be disconnected or not.
It does seem to say that you should just install windows 10 as a clean
installation on the 2nd drive, but is that with or without the 1st
drive connected??


Cloning is a separate issue from dual-booting.

There is some (stinking) disk identifier, that if
duplicated by cloning, the second disk becomes "Offline".
You must correct this, so each disk has a unique identifier.

The BCD contains identifiers (GUID) which identify the
relationship of C: to the partition that handles
the booting (System Reserved). You might easily manage
to create duplicate identifiers there as well. Now, imagine
winload.exe has scanned the two drives and has duplicates
all over the place, and is being asked to "pick one".
Well, it can't. Because it might make a mistake, and
record the state information for the session on an
unexpected disk (not the bootup the user desired).

Open a Command Prompt (Administrator) window via right-click
of Start menu, and type

bcdedit

to see some of the identifiers the boot manager uses for
booting.

Somehow, you need a means to review the various disk
identifiers, to prevent problems. Things like
VolumeID, I don't think those hurt. Things like disk
labels (having two "WinXP" labeled disks), those
don't hurt either. But there are other numbers
stored on the disk or partitions, which do matter.

This one is for disk signature (solve "offline" disk drive
showing in Disk Management).

http://www.howtohaven.com/system/cha...ignature.shtml

Paul
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Old August 5th 15, 04:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1

On 05/08/2015 16:12, Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-08-05 06:15, BobH wrote:
I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was
from an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same
programs etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1, but
if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with both
ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something went
wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever and
sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd one
boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.


You can easily dual boot _different_ OSs, but it looks like you can't
dual boot _identical_ OSs.

Or so I infer from your curious story.


Ok, it looks like I will be installing win10 on the 2nd ssd with the 1st
ssd disconnected. Then when that is complete, just connect both up again
and see what happens.

Thanks for the clarification.
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Old August 5th 15, 09:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Michael Bob[_2_]
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1

Once in the past I was able to make a 4 windows boot system with two hard
disks and same windows key.

"BobH" escreveu na mensagem ...

I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was
from an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same
programs etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1, but
if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with both
ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something went
wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever and
sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd one
boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.

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Old August 6th 15, 07:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1

BobH wrote on 08/05/2015 6:15 AM:
I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was
from an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same
programs etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1, but
if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with both
ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something went
wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever and
sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd one
boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.


So you're planning on using one single Win 8.1 license to ugprade one
SSD to 10, and use that same 8.1 license on the same device but a
differnt SSD ?

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Old August 6th 15, 09:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
BobH[_2_]
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1

On 06/08/2015 07:05, . . .winston wrote:
BobH wrote on 08/05/2015 6:15 AM:
I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was
from an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same
programs etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1, but
if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with both
ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something went
wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever and
sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd one
boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.


So you're planning on using one single Win 8.1 license to ugprade one
SSD to 10, and use that same 8.1 license on the same device but a
differnt SSD ?


Actually no, that is not what I was meaning to do, as I said above that
my initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd

Last week I upgraded the 1st ssd with windows 8.1 to windows 10. After a
short while , because my 2nd monitor was not supported by the drivers
for my graphics card in windows 10, I reverted back to windows 8.1.

Now with regards to my 2nd ssd which had windows 8.1 on, my intention
was to upgrade that to windows 10. The reason for doing so was to find
out if by a slight change I made with the 2nd monitor, would it be seen
/ recognised by windows 10. Instead of connecting to the vga port on the
graphics card I connected it to the vga port on the motherboard, and I
was hoping that it would be seen by windows 10 once I had upgraded the
win8.1 system.
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Old August 7th 15, 06:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
. . .winston
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Default Strange thing happening with 2 copies of win 8.1

BobH wrote on 08/06/2015 4:12 AM:
On 06/08/2015 07:05, . . .winston wrote:
BobH wrote on 08/05/2015 6:15 AM:
I have 2 ssd's each with a bootable copy of win8.1. The 2nd copy was
from an image of the 1st copy, so both ssd's have exactly the same
programs etc.
I disconnected the 1st copy/ssd when I restored the image onto the 2nd
ssd, just to be sure it was the correct drive for the image.

Now with both ssd's connected, I can boot to the 1st copy of win8.1, but
if I choose to boot the 2nd copy or ssd, it will not boot with both
ssd's connected and I have to disconnect the 1st ssd or copy of win8.1.

The error message is something like: Ooops, it looks like something went
wrong or similar, and then says, we are collecting some whatever and
sticks on 0%. But as soon as I disconnect the 1st drive the 2nd one
boots ok!

My initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd, and have a dual
boot between that and windows 8.1. Given with what happened it doesn't
look like I can have a dual boot systems

Any ways around it, or should I have gone about it a different way.


So you're planning on using one single Win 8.1 license to ugprade one
SSD to 10, and use that same 8.1 license on the same device but a
differnt SSD ?


Actually no, that is not what I was meaning to do, as I said above that
my initial plan was to put windows 10 on the 2nd ssd

Last week I upgraded the 1st ssd with windows 8.1 to windows 10. After a
short while , because my 2nd monitor was not supported by the drivers
for my graphics card in windows 10, I reverted back to windows 8.1.

Now with regards to my 2nd ssd which had windows 8.1 on, my intention
was to upgrade that to windows 10. The reason for doing so was to find
out if by a slight change I made with the 2nd monitor, would it be seen
/ recognised by windows 10. Instead of connecting to the vga port on the
graphics card I connected it to the vga port on the motherboard, and I
was hoping that it would be seen by windows 10 once I had upgraded the
win8.1 system.


As I understood the first post..the 8.1 on the second SSD was a clone of
the first...which would be the same license. Additionally you noted the
SSD was installed on the same device (you said
'both SSD's connected")....which appears to still be a 'yes' to my
question - using the same license twice (once to upgrade to 10 now
rolled back to 8.1 and also to use again as the license to upgrade to
Win10 on the second SSD) on the same physical device.
- afiak....if you use the 8.1 license to upgrade to 10, you can't
continue to use it elsewhere on another device (the second SSD)...as
noted before...technically feasible isn't the same as licensing.


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