WEIRD dichotomy between browsers on YouTube!

Just out of curiosity, I looked at the YouTube link Bob_S gave
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yelGg2CFpwY) in the "reinstall win 7"
thread, and looked at the comments below it. See
http://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard02.jpg for how I see them in my two
browsers - an AFAIK up-to-date (for 7-32) Chrome, and a very old
Firefox. It's mildly interesting to see some of the differences - how
the avatars/icons/whatever are round on Chrome and square on Firefox,
how REPLY/Reply and View reply differ slightly - but what startled me
was the DIFFERENT comments shown! You can see, in both windows, the
comment from "Sudielmae Lee" (image next to it), and the one from
"Wazhma Safi" ("W" next to it), but the one in between them is
completely different!

(Furthermore, the comments end after the "W" one in Firefox [27.0.1],
but has one more in Chrome.)

I'm not expecting any solution (I don't really have a problem), but
thought I'd share the oddity! I'm used to pages looking different
between the two browsers (often, just not working in the old Firefox),
but this one was a real surprise.
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Won't you come into the garden? I would like my roses to see you. -Richard

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yelGg2CFpwY)

Very interesting. If you look at the source code you can
see that the comments are not actually in the page. In
fact, almost nothing is there. With script blocked I just
see white. That's because the whole thing is loaded by
script, dynamically. So maybe they're guessing what you're
interested in.

That's one of the many problems with script. It allows
pages to spy better and to not only show you
different ads but also different content, prices, etc.

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I looked at the YouTube link Bob_S gave
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yelGg2CFpwY) in the "reinstall win 7"
thread, and looked at the comments below it. See
http://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard02.jpg for how I see them in my two
browsers - an AFAIK up-to-date (for 7-32) Chrome, and a very old
Firefox. It's mildly interesting to see some of the differences - how
the avatars/icons/whatever are round on Chrome and square on Firefox,
how REPLY/Reply and View reply differ slightly - but what startled me
was the DIFFERENT comments shown! You can see, in both windows, the
comment from "Sudielmae Lee" (image next to it), and the one from
"Wazhma Safi" ("W" next to it), but the one in between them is
completely different!

(Furthermore, the comments end after the "W" one in Firefox [27.0.1],
but has one more in Chrome.)

I'm not expecting any solution (I don't really have a problem), but
thought I'd share the oddity! I'm used to pages looking different
between the two browsers (often, just not working in the old Firefox),
but this one was a real surprise.

That an old version of Firefox or any web browser doesn't support HTML5
Canvas is a surprise to you? Sorry, but "very old" doesn't actually
specify a version of Firefox. What you see in your "old version" of
Firefox is the alternate content placeholder (which is an image with
height and width attributes), so it is square. Canvas is just a
container (no image) and Javascript is used to decide what is the
content of that container.

https://www.w3schools.com/graphics/canvas_reference.asp

Also, since you are comparing two different web browsers (instead of two
different versions of the same web browser), there could be a difference
in which extensions are installed in each. A "very old" version of
Firefox is probably before the Quantum cutoff of legacy extensions, so
the same extension as legacy in Firefox and as WE (WebExtension) in
Chrome may also behave different. Different web browser, different
capabilities, especially due to age, and different configurations of
each makes invalid the comparison.

If you sort the comments by date, then Dalton's comment (9 months)
appears before Sudielmae's (1 year). If sorting is by Top Comments,
order depends on how others have voted (thumbs up/down) on a comment, so
Dalton's appears after Sudielmae's (and a whole bunch show up before
Sudielmae's). Sorry, other than sort order, I don't know what
"completely different" means.

Also, Google has the nasty habit of using features only available in
Chrome at some of their sites (you might see "works best in Chrome"), or
for changes Google made that other web browsers must catch up to be
compatible with sites who designers only employ Chrome.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16...-web-standards
https://css-tricks.com/careful-now/

VanguardLH wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I looked at the YouTube link Bob_S gave
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yelGg2CFpwY) in the "reinstall win 7"
thread, and looked at the comments below it. See
http://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard02.jpg for how I see them in my two
browsers - an AFAIK up-to-date (for 7-32) Chrome, and a very old
Firefox. It's mildly interesting to see some of the differences - how
the avatars/icons/whatever are round on Chrome and square on Firefox,
how REPLY/Reply and View reply differ slightly - but what startled me
was the DIFFERENT comments shown! You can see, in both windows, the
comment from "Sudielmae Lee" (image next to it), and the one from
"Wazhma Safi" ("W" next to it), but the one in between them is
completely different!

(Furthermore, the comments end after the "W" one in Firefox [27.0.1],
but has one more in Chrome.)

I'm not expecting any solution (I don't really have a problem), but
thought I'd share the oddity! I'm used to pages looking different
between the two browsers (often, just not working in the old Firefox),
but this one was a real surprise.

That an old version of Firefox or any web browser doesn't support HTML5
Canvas is a surprise to you? Sorry, but "very old" doesn't actually
specify a version of Firefox. What you see in your "old version" of
Firefox is the alternate content placeholder (which is an image with
height and width attributes), so it is square. Canvas is just a
container (no image) and Javascript is used to decide what is the
content of that container.

https://www.w3schools.com/graphics/canvas_reference.asp

Also, since you are comparing two different web browsers (instead of two
different versions of the same web browser), there could be a difference
in which extensions are installed in each. A "very old" version of
Firefox is probably before the Quantum cutoff of legacy extensions, so
the same extension as legacy in Firefox and as WE (WebExtension) in
Chrome may also behave different. Different web browser, different
capabilities, especially due to age, and different configurations of
each makes invalid the comparison.

If you sort the comments by date, then Dalton's comment (9 months)
appears before Sudielmae's (1 year). If sorting is by Top Comments,
order depends on how others have voted (thumbs up/down) on a comment, so
Dalton's appears after Sudielmae's (and a whole bunch show up before
Sudielmae's). Sorry, other than sort order, I don't know what
"completely different" means.

Also, Google has the nasty habit of using features only available in
Chrome at some of their sites (you might see "works best in Chrome"), or
for changes Google made that other web browsers must catch up to be
compatible with sites who designers only employ Chrome.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16...-web-standards
https://css-tricks.com/careful-now/

Fortunately HTML5 still works in the latest versions of FF and Chrome for
Windows XP, although there are a few feature subsets that are not supported.
One can test their browser for all this at the HTML5 test site:

https://html5test.com/

I think the OP was using an older version of FF. That won't work well on
these sites. Best to bite the bullet and get FF 52 (for us XP users). I
found it (or some other late version of FF) now necessary on some sites.

Bill in Co wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I looked at the YouTube link Bob_S gave
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yelGg2CFpwY) in the "reinstall win 7"
thread, and looked at the comments below it. See
http://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard02.jpg for how I see them in my two
browsers - an AFAIK up-to-date (for 7-32) Chrome, and a very old
Firefox. It's mildly interesting to see some of the differences - how
the avatars/icons/whatever are round on Chrome and square on Firefox,
how REPLY/Reply and View reply differ slightly - but what startled me
was the DIFFERENT comments shown! You can see, in both windows, the
comment from "Sudielmae Lee" (image next to it), and the one from
"Wazhma Safi" ("W" next to it), but the one in between them is
completely different!

(Furthermore, the comments end after the "W" one in Firefox [27.0.1],
but has one more in Chrome.)

I'm not expecting any solution (I don't really have a problem), but
thought I'd share the oddity! I'm used to pages looking different
between the two browsers (often, just not working in the old Firefox),
but this one was a real surprise.

That an old version of Firefox or any web browser doesn't support HTML5
Canvas is a surprise to you? Sorry, but "very old" doesn't actually
specify a version of Firefox. What you see in your "old version" of
Firefox is the alternate content placeholder (which is an image with
height and width attributes), so it is square. Canvas is just a
container (no image) and Javascript is used to decide what is the
content of that container.

https://www.w3schools.com/graphics/canvas_reference.asp

Also, since you are comparing two different web browsers (instead of two
different versions of the same web browser), there could be a difference
in which extensions are installed in each. A "very old" version of
Firefox is probably before the Quantum cutoff of legacy extensions, so
the same extension as legacy in Firefox and as WE (WebExtension) in
Chrome may also behave different. Different web browser, different
capabilities, especially due to age, and different configurations of
each makes invalid the comparison.

If you sort the comments by date, then Dalton's comment (9 months)
appears before Sudielmae's (1 year). If sorting is by Top Comments,
order depends on how others have voted (thumbs up/down) on a comment, so
Dalton's appears after Sudielmae's (and a whole bunch show up before
Sudielmae's). Sorry, other than sort order, I don't know what
"completely different" means.

Also, Google has the nasty habit of using features only available in
Chrome at some of their sites (you might see "works best in Chrome"), or
for changes Google made that other web browsers must catch up to be
compatible with sites who designers only employ Chrome.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16...-web-standards
https://css-tricks.com/careful-now/

Fortunately HTML5 still works in the latest versions of FF and Chrome for
Windows XP,

That would be Firefox ESR 52. The OP's "very old" doesn't state which
version of Firefox he used in his comparison. The just released ESR
version is 60. ESR 52 was the one just prior, so it isn't that old.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/

Correction: Later in his post in a parenthetical statement which I
originally elided), looks like the OP said he is using version 27.0.1 of
Firefox.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefo..._20_through_29
Firefox 27.0.1 was released back on 13-Feb-2014.

Of course there will be differences in rendering and feature sets
between a new web browser and one that is over 4 years old. If the OP
used Lynx, Youtube would look very different. If the OP is going to
stick to archaic versions of web browsers, yep, they will render and
behave differently than the newest ones.

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Just out of curiosity, I looked at the YouTube link Bob_S gave
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yelGg2CFpwY) in the "reinstall win 7"
thread, and looked at the comments below it. See
http://255soft.uk/temp/Clipboard02.jpg for how I see them in my two
browsers - an AFAIK up-to-date (for 7-32) Chrome, and a very old
Firefox. It's mildly interesting to see some of the differences - how
the avatars/icons/whatever are round on Chrome and square on Firefox,
how REPLY/Reply and View reply differ slightly - but what startled me
was the DIFFERENT comments shown! You can see, in both windows, the
comment from "Sudielmae Lee" (image next to it), and the one from
"Wazhma Safi" ("W" next to it), but the one in between them is
completely different!

(Furthermore, the comments end after the "W" one in Firefox [27.0.1],
but has one more in Chrome.)
[]
That an old version of Firefox or any web browser doesn't support HTML5
Canvas is a surprise to you? Sorry, but "very old" doesn't actually

No, I said that was "mildly interesting".

specify a version of Firefox. What you see in your "old version" of

(As you spotted in a later post, I did say.)
[]
Also, since you are comparing two different web browsers (instead of two
different versions of the same web browser), there could be a difference
in which extensions are installed in each. A "very old" version of

There are, but nothing that would affect rendering, I think. But that
was only a minor curiosity ...

Firefox is probably before the Quantum cutoff of legacy extensions, so
the same extension as legacy in Firefox and as WE (WebExtension) in
Chrome may also behave different. Different web browser, different
capabilities, especially due to age, and different configurations of
each makes invalid the comparison.

If you sort the comments by date, then Dalton's comment (9 months)
appears before Sudielmae's (1 year). If sorting is by Top Comments,
order depends on how others have voted (thumbs up/down) on a comment, so
Dalton's appears after Sudielmae's (and a whole bunch show up before
Sudielmae's). Sorry, other than sort order, I don't know what
"completely different" means.

.... it was the different comments that surprised me - the same two
comments appearing, in the same order, but with a different one in
between them. But I suspect you may have hit the nail on the head - I
may have a different sort order set in the two browsers, though not
intentionally. (It hadn't occurred to me that that might be a cookie
thing rather than a YouTube account setting [same YouTube account in
both browsers].) I suppose it could be that, for just this page, the
coincidence of comment order could be as I showed, with different sort
orders.

Also, Google has the nasty habit of using features only available in
Chrome at some of their sites (you might see "works best in Chrome"), or
for changes Google made that other web browsers must catch up to be
compatible with sites who designers only employ Chrome.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/4/16...nly-sites-inte
rnet-explorer-6-web-standards
https://css-tricks.com/careful-now/
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

She's showing her age a little bit. I always say she doesn't have teething
troubles, she has denture troubles! - Timothy West (on their narrowboat!), RT
2014-March