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  #1  
Old July 30th 15, 03:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.comp.os.windows-10
D. F. Manno
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Yousuf Khan wrote in message


DirectX 12, won't be useful to you if you don't play games, but will be
useful if you do. This version of DirectX is finally multithreaded.
What? Only a decade after we finally started getting multi-core
processors? Microsoft is right on top of the latest technology, as
usual.


So are these the known *best* "gee wiz" things about Windows 10?

What did I miss?

1. Start menu is back (with right click to open menu here)
2. Windows Defender (free antivirus)
3. Cortana (voice activated assistant)
4. Same OS as mobile devices
5. Edge/Spartan browser
6. App Store
7. Transparent themes
8. Snap windows
9. Task view
10. Virtual desktops
11. Xbox apps
12. Default Maps
13. Default Mail
14. Default Calendar
16. Google Calendar integration
17. Default Photos
18. Touch screen OS
19. Default Groove, Movies, & TV
20. Hello Face, iris, or thumbprint login
21. Continuous update of the OS patches
22. WiFi Sense sharing with Facebook et. al.
23. Tablet OS
24. ? what did I miss ?

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  #2  
Old July 30th 15, 07:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, "D. F. Manno" wrote:

Yousuf Khan wrote in message


DirectX 12, won't be useful to you if you don't play games, but will be
useful if you do. This version of DirectX is finally multithreaded.
What? Only a decade after we finally started getting multi-core
processors? Microsoft is right on top of the latest technology, as
usual.


So are these the known *best* "gee wiz" things about Windows 10?

What did I miss?

1. Start menu is back (with right click to open menu here)
2. Windows Defender (free antivirus)
3. Cortana (voice activated assistant)
4. Same OS as mobile devices
5. Edge/Spartan browser
6. App Store
7. Transparent themes
8. Snap windows
9. Task view
10. Virtual desktops
11. Xbox apps
12. Default Maps
13. Default Mail
14. Default Calendar
16. Google Calendar integration
17. Default Photos
18. Touch screen OS
19. Default Groove, Movies, & TV
20. Hello Face, iris, or thumbprint login
21. Continuous update of the OS patches
22. WiFi Sense sharing with Facebook et. al.
23. Tablet OS
24. ? what did I miss ?


Saw this posted in another group this morning:

Message-ID: .at
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:02:34 +0200 (CEST)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server

"Windows 10: Here are the privacy issues you should know about
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/

Microsoft’s new small print – how your personal data is (ab)used
https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/"

--
Bub

  #3  
Old July 30th 15, 08:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:58:19 +0200 (CEST)
Bubba Bub@ba wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2015, "D. F. Manno" wrote:

Yousuf Khan wrote in message


DirectX 12, won't be useful to you if you don't play games, but
will be useful if you do. This version of DirectX is finally
multithreaded. What? Only a decade after we finally started
getting multi-core processors? Microsoft is right on top of the
latest technology, as usual.


So are these the known *best* "gee wiz" things about Windows 10?

What did I miss?

1. Start menu is back (with right click to open menu here)
2. Windows Defender (free antivirus)
3. Cortana (voice activated assistant)
4. Same OS as mobile devices
5. Edge/Spartan browser
6. App Store
7. Transparent themes
8. Snap windows
9. Task view
10. Virtual desktops
11. Xbox apps
12. Default Maps
13. Default Mail
14. Default Calendar
16. Google Calendar integration
17. Default Photos
18. Touch screen OS
19. Default Groove, Movies, & TV
20. Hello Face, iris, or thumbprint login
21. Continuous update of the OS patches
22. WiFi Sense sharing with Facebook et. al.
23. Tablet OS
24. ? what did I miss ?


Saw this posted in another group this morning:

Message-ID: .at
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:02:34 +0200 (CEST)
Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server

"Windows 10: Here are the privacy issues you should know about
http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/07/29/wind-nos/

Microsoft_s new small print _ how your personal data is (ab)used
https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/"


After reading those two articles, I can't understand why anyone would
want to have a Microsoft account, and use Windows 10.
  #4  
Old July 30th 15, 10:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Johnny wrote in message 20150730142250.28171f24@jmspc

After reading those two articles, I can't understand why anyone would
want to have a Microsoft account, and use Windows 10.


It seems, from reading those articles that Microsoft servers obtain,
*by default*, the following ...

1. Your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have
open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi
network names and passwords.

2. “your voice input, as well as your name and nickname, your recent
calendar events and the names of people in your appointments, and
information about your contacts including names and nicknames.â€

3. App info “from you and your devices, including for example ‘app use
data for apps that run on Windows’ and ‘data about the networks you
connect to.'â€

4. Windows 10 generates a unique advertising ID for each user on each
device. That can be used by developers and ad networks to profile you.

5. Your encryption key

6. We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your
content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications
or files in private folders)...
  #5  
Old July 31st 15, 12:13 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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"D. F. Manno" wrote in message
...
Johnny wrote in message 20150730142250.28171f24@jmspc

After reading those two articles, I can't understand why anyone would
want to have a Microsoft account, and use Windows 10.


It seems, from reading those articles that Microsoft servers obtain,
*by default*, the following ...

1. Your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have
open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi
network names and passwords.

2. "your voice input, as well as your name and nickname, your recent
calendar events and the names of people in your appointments, and
information about your contacts including names and nicknames."

3. App info "from you and your devices, including for example 'app use
data for apps that run on Windows' and 'data about the networks you
connect to.'"

4. Windows 10 generates a unique advertising ID for each user on each
device. That can be used by developers and ad networks to profile you.

5. Your encryption key

6. We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your
content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications
or files in private folders)...

Just use a local account.


  #6  
Old July 31st 15, 02:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
Keith Nuttle
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Default What is actually useful about Windows 10 released today (not justhype)?

On 7/30/2015 5:29 PM, D. F. Manno wrote:
1. Your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have
open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi
network names and passwords.

2. “your voice input, as well as your name and nickname, your recent
calendar events and the names of people in your appointments, and
information about your contacts including names and nicknames.â€

3. App info “from you and your devices, including for example ‘app use
data for apps that run on Windows’ and ‘data about the networks you
connect to.'â€

I assume this is MS apps, browser, etc.

If so it is even more reason to use Mozilla programs.


Is there any way to prevent MS from taking the information of your LAN
links. When I got my tablet with Windows 8.1, I was shocked that MS had
the pass codes to access all the LAN I had visited. What Privacy!

If MS has these passcode( security) codes, then the best place for
hackers to concentrate are on these database on the MS servers. Once
they have hacked MS, they have access to every LAN in the world.
  #7  
Old July 31st 15, 02:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:29:42 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

It seems, from reading those articles that Microsoft servers obtain,
*by default*, the following ...

1. Your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have
open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi
network names and passwords.

2. “your voice input, as well as your name and nickname, your recent
calendar events and the names of people in your appointments, and
information about your contacts including names and nicknames.â€

3. App info “from you and your devices, including for example ‘app use
data for apps that run on Windows’ and ‘data about the networks you
connect to.'â€

4. Windows 10 generates a unique advertising ID for each user on each
device. That can be used by developers and ad networks to profile you.

5. Your encryption key

6. We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your
content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications
or files in private folders)...


The other day, when using Windows 7, I wanted to watch a 10 second
movie clip that I had inadvertently taken on my digital still camera.
I wanted to see if I should keep it or delete it.

But up camw Windows Media Player, which would not play the film clip
but wanted me to go through a set-up routine and answer all sorts of
questions that I didn't understand, including things about stores and
file types, which I would have to look up to see what they were (for
what it's worth, the file I wanted to see was a .AVI file). It would
take me at least three hours to set it up properly, just to watch one
lousy 10-second movie clip.

So if I answered all the questions the way I was supposed to, would
Microsoft actually know that I had watched a 10-second movie clip of
my dog playing with a ball? And why would they want to? Would they
know that I wasn't using their store, whatever that may be (I don't
mind telling them that, they are welcome to the information).

--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
  #8  
Old July 31st 15, 03:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:29:42 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:

It seems, from reading those articles that Microsoft servers obtain,
*by default*, the following ...

1. Your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have
open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi
network names and passwords.

2. “your voice input, as well as your name and nickname, your recent
calendar events and the names of people in your appointments, and
information about your contacts including names and nicknames.â€

3. App info “from you and your devices, including for example ‘app use
data for apps that run on Windows’ and ‘data about the networks you
connect to.'â€

4. Windows 10 generates a unique advertising ID for each user on each
device. That can be used by developers and ad networks to profile you.

5. Your encryption key

6. We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your
content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications
or files in private folders)...


The other day, when using Windows 7, I wanted to watch a 10 second
movie clip that I had inadvertently taken on my digital still camera.
I wanted to see if I should keep it or delete it.

But up camw Windows Media Player, which would not play the film clip
but wanted me to go through a set-up routine and answer all sorts of
questions that I didn't understand, including things about stores and
file types, which I would have to look up to see what they were (for
what it's worth, the file I wanted to see was a .AVI file). It would
take me at least three hours to set it up properly, just to watch one
lousy 10-second movie clip.

So if I answered all the questions the way I was supposed to, would
Microsoft actually know that I had watched a 10-second movie clip of
my dog playing with a ball? And why would they want to? Would they
know that I wasn't using their store, whatever that may be (I don't
mind telling them that, they are welcome to the information).


WMP doesn't play the formats you want, so why would
you even bother ? As soon as you see WMP pop up,
close WMP, rewire the file type to a known-working player.
I'm sure your dog would look fine in VLC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player

That uses its own copy of libavcodec, so does not require
KLite codecs or anything else.

For detailed info on some of the media players, this site
is good. They have lists of media players (as does Wikipedia).
You have to study the support characteristics of the players,
whether they're DirectShow or Libavcodec, to understand what
formats they're likely to support.

http://www.videohelp.com/software/VLC-media-player

When content is protected via DRM, the situation is a bit
different. You can't access Netflix with just anything.
Only certain methods work there, methods which can enforce
DRM and prevent unauthorized access. But for many other
purposes (your dog video), the free players are good.

Paul
  #9  
Old July 31st 15, 05:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 22:11:41 -0400, Paul wrote:

Steve Hayes wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:29:42 +0000 (UTC), "D. F. Manno"
wrote:


6. We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your
content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications
or files in private folders)...


The other day, when using Windows 7, I wanted to watch a 10 second
movie clip that I had inadvertently taken on my digital still camera.
I wanted to see if I should keep it or delete it.

But up camw Windows Media Player, which would not play the film clip
but wanted me to go through a set-up routine and answer all sorts of
questions that I didn't understand, including things about stores and
file types, which I would have to look up to see what they were (for
what it's worth, the file I wanted to see was a .AVI file). It would
take me at least three hours to set it up properly, just to watch one
lousy 10-second movie clip.

So if I answered all the questions the way I was supposed to, would
Microsoft actually know that I had watched a 10-second movie clip of
my dog playing with a ball? And why would they want to? Would they
know that I wasn't using their store, whatever that may be (I don't
mind telling them that, they are welcome to the information).


WMP doesn't play the formats you want, so why would
you even bother ? As soon as you see WMP pop up,
close WMP, rewire the file type to a known-working player.
I'm sure your dog would look fine in VLC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VLC_media_player


I think I have that on my XP machine. I'll install it on my Win 7
machine as well.

--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
  #10  
Old July 31st 15, 07:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:33:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/30/2015 5:29 PM, D. F. Manno wrote:
1. Your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have
open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi
network names and passwords.

2. “your voice input, as well as your name and nickname, your recent
calendar events and the names of people in your appointments, and
information about your contacts including names and nicknames.”

3. App info “from you and your devices, including for example ‘app use
data for apps that run on Windows’ and ‘data about the networks you
connect to.'”

I assume this is MS apps, browser, etc.

If so it is even more reason to use Mozilla programs.


Is there any way to prevent MS from taking the information of your LAN
links. When I got my tablet with Windows 8.1, I was shocked that MS had
the pass codes to access all the LAN I had visited. What Privacy!

If MS has these passcode( security) codes, then the best place for
hackers to concentrate are on these database on the MS servers. Once
they have hacked MS, they have access to every LAN in the world.


Can you explain in a little more detail what you mean by access to every LAN
in the world? What kind of access? What are you calling a LAN link?

  #11  
Old July 31st 15, 09:53 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 07/30/2015 01:58 PM, Bubba wrote:

[snip]

1. Start menu is back (with right click to open menu here)
2. Windows Defender (free antivirus)
3. Cortana (voice activated assistant)
4. Same OS as mobile devices
5. Edge/Spartan browser
6. App Store
7. Transparent themes
8. Snap windows
9. Task view
10. Virtual desktops
11. Xbox apps
12. Default Maps
13. Default Mail
14. Default Calendar
16. Google Calendar integration
17. Default Photos
18. Touch screen OS
19. Default Groove, Movies, & TV
20. Hello Face, iris, or thumbprint login
21. Continuous update of the OS patches
22. WiFi Sense sharing with Facebook et. al.
23. Tablet OS


[snip]

I looked through that list and divided them into 2 groups: things I
don't want and things I'd rather not have.

--
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http://notstupid.us/

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to
claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin." -- Cardinal Bellarmine 1615,
during the trial of Galileo
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Old July 31st 15, 01:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 7/31/2015 2:52 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:33:45 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 7/30/2015 5:29 PM, D. F. Manno wrote:
1. Your browser history, favorites and the websites you currently have
open as well as saved app, website and mobile hotspot passwords and Wi-Fi
network names and passwords.

2. “your voice input, as well as your name and nickname, your recent
calendar events and the names of people in your appointments, and
information about your contacts including names and nicknames.â€

3. App info “from you and your devices, including for example ‘app use
data for apps that run on Windows’ and ‘data about the networks you
connect to.'â€

I assume this is MS apps, browser, etc.

If so it is even more reason to use Mozilla programs.


Is there any way to prevent MS from taking the information of your LAN
links. When I got my tablet with Windows 8.1, I was shocked that MS had
the pass codes to access all the LAN I had visited. What Privacy!

If MS has these passcode( security) codes, then the best place for
hackers to concentrate are on these database on the MS servers. Once
they have hacked MS, they have access to every LAN in the world.


Can you explain in a little more detail what you mean by access to every LAN
in the world? What kind of access? What are you calling a LAN link?

LAN Link Wireless connection between a Wireless Router and a computer.

If you access a LAN with the SSID of X, and enter the passcode of
1233455667 to establish the connection with that LAN; Microsoft collects
this information and saves it on their server.

So for everybody that use MS Windows 8.1 (possible 7 and more in likely
10), all of the SSID's with passcodes for every LAN's they have ever
accessed are on MS servers. ie Every LAN in the world for those using
Windows, can be obtained by hacking MS.

OR in other words the biggest hole in you LAN security is the MS
servers, regardless of the number of bytes in your passcode.


  #13  
Old July 31st 15, 01:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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On 7/31/2015 4:53 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 07/30/2015 01:58 PM, Bubba wrote:

[snip]

1. Start menu is back (with right click to open menu here)
2. Windows Defender (free antivirus)
3. Cortana (voice activated assistant)
4. Same OS as mobile devices
5. Edge/Spartan browser
6. App Store
7. Transparent themes
8. Snap windows
9. Task view
10. Virtual desktops
11. Xbox apps
12. Default Maps
13. Default Mail
14. Default Calendar
16. Google Calendar integration
17. Default Photos
18. Touch screen OS
19. Default Groove, Movies, & TV
20. Hello Face, iris, or thumbprint login
21. Continuous update of the OS patches
22. WiFi Sense sharing with Facebook et. al.
23. Tablet OS


[snip]

I looked through that list and divided them into 2 groups: things I
don't want and things I'd rather not have.

There is nothing on that list that I will use, and probably will remove
from my computer, if possible. I only am upgrading to Window 10 so I
can continue to have a current operating system so that those things I
use ie Adobe reader, McAfee, future upgrades of Corel Office, etc will
continue to run on the computer. (the current Adobe Reader which is a
significant improvement speed wise over the previous version will not
run on XP, McAfee no longer advertises compatibility with XP, and so
on. Does not take a genius to see the writing on the wall)

I see no reason to stick to an obsolete or outdated OS just because it
is the OS I am familiar with; and at some point in the future have tech
shock as I try to catch up, when forced to upgrade.

I re read the list, there is something that looks interesting. That is
"Hello Face, iris, or thumbprint login" If this works as advertised it
would be a great security system to have on your computer.
  #14  
Old July 31st 15, 01:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Keith Nuttle wrote in message


So for everybody that use MS Windows 8.1 (possible 7 and more in likely
10), all of the SSID's with passcodes for every LAN's they have ever
accessed are on MS servers. ie Every LAN in the world for those using
Windows, can be obtained by hacking MS.


I didn't know this.

In Windows 8, how do you turn that off?
  #15  
Old July 31st 15, 01:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.os.windows-8,alt.windows7.general
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Mark Lloyd wrote in message


I looked through that list and divided them into 2 groups: things I
don't want and things I'd rather not have.


I have to admit, when I started reading what Windows 10 had, I was
more hopeful that *something* useful would be in the operating system.

The only two things useful are the Start Menu (which still does not
appear to work the way it used to in XP days), and the default
antivirus.

Given I've been using Avast free antivirus for years (annual nag
email notwithstanding), and, given that I have a pseudo-start-menu,
the only real advantage of Windows 10, that I can see, is that it's
not Windows 8.

I'd wish someone could convince me otherwise, but, I can't yet even
convince myself of the value of Windows 10 other than that.
 




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