Norton Cannot Be Removed and Disables Competing Products.

BTW we are all MVPs (Most Valuable Persons)! The objection is to the
false claim by PcButts1 to be a MS MVP, an award by Microsoft.

Why do think it is a false claim?

Well, for me, it's because of your steadfast refusal to actually provide
any proof that you are one, and the fact that I still know a good number
of the MVP Leads.

--
John Eddy

"pcbutts1 [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
I first used it with my pcbutts1 nickname 5 years ago. They didn't complain
then until Dave the thief stole my program passed it off as his own and
accused me of stealing it when he got called out on it. I stopped using it
when posting as pcbutts1,they didn't stop. That was years ago. Three weeks
ago I started using it again. I have the right to use it I will continue to
use it. Those idiots have a personal vendetta against me. I am not going to
stop just to "see" what they will do, I already know. You put too much
trust in those MVP's this is not their NG nor are they in charge.


If you are indeed an MVP could you ask your lead to email me assurances of
such?

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE/WM
Reply in Newsgroup, not by email.

"flamestar" wrote in message
...
You didn’t read my post.
===

Yes, I did read it. Please read my response carefully.

If you can't follow the directions, it's time to pay someone to help you,
someone who will actually *sit at the keyboard*.

HTH
-pk

snippage

Glad you asked us for proof that you aren't a real MVP. It's soooo easy to
prove, even without revealing your real name or providing a link to an MVP
profile.

Your inability to sign into Microsoft's community with an MVP Windows Live ID
to post messages so the blue Microsoft MVP icon shows next to your pcbutts1
name means you aren't a current Microsoft MVP.

As a current Microsoft MVP I can sign in with an MVP Windows Live ID, post a
message to the community on Microsoft's site, then post a link here to that
message. That message shows the blue MVP icon next to my name, Chris O'C.
You may have to expand the middle column to the right to see the blue MVP
icon next to my name.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...2d4&sloc=en-us


If you can't see the icon very well, open this next page and scroll about
half way down to my message posted at 4/27/2008 10:05 PM EST. It's a
multipost view of the same thread.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...=US&sloc=en-us


Even though I've pretty much spelled out my full name in my posts, the
Windows Live ID post doesn't reveal which of the 4000 MVP profiles is mine,
nor my full name.

Since you *can't* sign in with an MVP Windows Live ID and post a message on
the Microsoft community site that shows the blue MVP icon next to your
pcbutts1 user name, you're not an MVP. Only MVPs can do that, even if they
want to keep their real names and MVP profiles private.

Chris
Microsoft MVP





pcbutts1 [MS MVP] wrote:
First of all I am getting sick and tired of people saying I am not an MVP. I
am an MVP. My name is not pcbutts1 that is why you cannot find it on the MS
site. There 4000+ MVP's in 94 countries, you don't know me and have no right
to lie about me. I have been offering correct help and advice in these
groups for many years. Until you or anyone else prove who I am and that I am
not a real MVP then you need to shut up and stop trolling this group looking
for a flame war.

Flamestar

[quoted text clipped - 133 lines]
HTH
-pk

--
Message posted via http://www.windowskb.com

You are wrong. My windows live ID that is associated with my real name does
have the mvp icon as it should, however the reason for me using pcbutts1 is
because everybody is trying to ID me. Those bad MVP's will do everything
they can to stop me. It's way beyond my mvp status. The MS CDO interface
tracks posts by the users Live or Passport ID if I go in and edit my name to
pcbutts1 so everybody can see that I am a real MVP they will then be able to
see all my other posts that contain my real name. That is not going to
happen. Nice try.


--

Newsgroup Trolls. Read about mine here http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads
The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com, David
H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz, Beauregard T.
Shagnasty,Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell




"Chris O'C via WindowsKB.com" u29189@uwe wrote in message
news:83deb7b72ad9f@uwe...
Glad you asked us for proof that you aren't a real MVP. It's soooo easy
to
prove, even without revealing your real name or providing a link to an MVP
profile.

Your inability to sign into Microsoft's community with an MVP Windows Live
ID
to post messages so the blue Microsoft MVP icon shows next to your
pcbutts1
name means you aren't a current Microsoft MVP.

As a current Microsoft MVP I can sign in with an MVP Windows Live ID, post
a
message to the community on Microsoft's site, then post a link here to
that
message. That message shows the blue MVP icon next to my name, Chris O'C.
You may have to expand the middle column to the right to see the blue MVP
icon next to my name.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...2d4&sloc=en-us


If you can't see the icon very well, open this next page and scroll about
half way down to my message posted at 4/27/2008 10:05 PM EST. It's a
multipost view of the same thread.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...=US&sloc=en-us


Even though I've pretty much spelled out my full name in my posts, the
Windows Live ID post doesn't reveal which of the 4000 MVP profiles is
mine,
nor my full name.

Since you *can't* sign in with an MVP Windows Live ID and post a message
on
the Microsoft community site that shows the blue MVP icon next to your
pcbutts1 user name, you're not an MVP. Only MVPs can do that, even if
they
want to keep their real names and MVP profiles private.

Chris
Microsoft MVP





pcbutts1 [MS MVP] wrote:
First of all I am getting sick and tired of people saying I am not an MVP.
I
am an MVP. My name is not pcbutts1 that is why you cannot find it on the
MS
site. There 4000+ MVP's in 94 countries, you don't know me and have no
right
to lie about me. I have been offering correct help and advice in these
groups for many years. Until you or anyone else prove who I am and that I
am
not a real MVP then you need to shut up and stop trolling this group
looking
for a flame war.

Flamestar

[quoted text clipped - 133 lines]
HTH
-pk

--
Message posted via http://www.windowskb.com

"pcbutts1 [MS MVP]" wrote in message
...
You are wrong. My windows live ID that is associated with my real name
does have the mvp icon as it should, however the reason for me using
pcbutts1 is because everybody is trying to ID me. Those bad MVP's will do
everything they can to stop me. It's way beyond my mvp status. The MS CDO
interface tracks posts by the users Live or Passport ID if I go in and
edit my name to pcbutts1 so everybody can see that I am a real MVP they
will then be able to see all my other posts that contain my real name.
That is not going to happen. Nice try.


You should be receiving a letter from Legal pretty soon.

--
Frank Saunders MS-MVP IE,OE/WM
Do not reply with email

No prob. Create a second Windows Live ID. Don't use your real name and
don't use pcbutts1 for the display name. Make sure it has an email address
you can send and receive mail. Confirm the email address when Microsoft
sends the account confirmation email.

Sign out of that new Windows Live ID account and go to the MVP support site.
Sign in with your current MVP Windows Live ID. Change the passport to
associate it with your new Windows Live ID. You'll be prompted to sign into
the MVP support site again with the new Windows Live ID. Sign in to make
sure it works.

Go to the Microsoft community at
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...s/default.mspx and make a test
post in any group while signed in with this new Windows Live ID. After your
message posts, check that it shows the blue MVP icon next to your display
name. Click on your display name in the right column to open the author's
profile. The author's profile will show only one post in the history. Click
on the "Recent posts by this user" link. The search function will only show
the single post you just made. The MVP account can only be associated with
one Windows Live ID at a time, so whatever previous posts you've made with
any other Windows Live IDs won't come up in a search for the user of this new
Windows Live ID.

That gives you confirmation that it's safe to create a third Windows Live ID
by following the steps above to associate it with your MVP account. Use
pcbutts1 as the display name for this third Windows Live ID. Since it's a
new account, your first post with this Windows Live ID will be the only post
a search returns using the "Recent posts by this user." No one can see which
MVP posted it, only that the blue MVP icon confirms it was posted by an MVP
giving the name pcbutts1. Your real name is safe, whatever name is on your
second Windows Live ID for testing is safe, and you can post messages using
that pcbutts1 Windows Live ID with the blue MVP icon. All the MVPs who don't
believe you, including me, will be eating crow if we see pcbutts1 with a blue
MVP icon on Microsoft's site.

I don't believe we'll ever see it, because you're not an MVP. You can't do
any of the things only MVPs can do, because Microsoft doesn't give
authorization without the award.

If you were an MVP safely using your real name to post with, you'd never use
an additional name to post with like pcbutts1 that attracts lawsuits like
flies to a dump. I don't buy it that you have to use pcbutts1 to protect
your real name when you already use your real name to post with.

Chris
Microsoft MVP


"pcbutts1 [MS MVP]" wrote in message news:
...
You are wrong. My windows live ID that is associated with my real name does
have the mvp icon as it should, however the reason for me using pcbutts1 is
because everybody is trying to ID me. Those bad MVP's will do everything
they can to stop me. It's way beyond my mvp status. The MS CDO interface
tracks posts by the users Live or Passport ID if I go in and edit my name to
pcbutts1 so everybody can see that I am a real MVP they will then be able to
see all my other posts that contain my real name. That is not going to
happen. Nice try.

--
Message posted via http://www.windowskb.com

He'll be receiving proof from Microsoft quite soon.

"Chris O'C via WindowsKB.com" u29189@uwe wrote in message
news:83deb7b72ad9f@uwe...
: Glad you asked us for proof that you aren't a real MVP. It's soooo easy
to
: prove, even without revealing your real name or providing a link to an MVP
: profile.
:
: Your inability to sign into Microsoft's community with an MVP Windows Live
ID
: to post messages so the blue Microsoft MVP icon shows next to your
pcbutts1
: name means you aren't a current Microsoft MVP.
:
: As a current Microsoft MVP I can sign in with an MVP Windows Live ID, post
a
: message to the community on Microsoft's site, then post a link here to
that
: message. That message shows the blue MVP icon next to my name, Chris O'C.
: You may have to expand the middle column to the right to see the blue MVP
: icon next to my name.
:
:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...2d4&sloc=en-us
:
:
: If you can't see the icon very well, open this next page and scroll about
: half way down to my message posted at 4/27/2008 10:05 PM EST. It's a
: multipost view of the same thread.
:
:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...=US&sloc=en-us
:
:
: Even though I've pretty much spelled out my full name in my posts, the
: Windows Live ID post doesn't reveal which of the 4000 MVP profiles is
mine,
: nor my full name.
:
: Since you *can't* sign in with an MVP Windows Live ID and post a message
on
: the Microsoft community site that shows the blue MVP icon next to your
: pcbutts1 user name, you're not an MVP. Only MVPs can do that, even if
they
: want to keep their real names and MVP profiles private.
:
: Chris
: Microsoft MVP
:
:
:
:
:
: pcbutts1 [MS MVP] wrote:
: First of all I am getting sick and tired of people saying I am not an
MVP. I
: am an MVP. My name is not pcbutts1 that is why you cannot find it on the
MS
: site. There 4000+ MVP's in 94 countries, you don't know me and have no
right
: to lie about me. I have been offering correct help and advice in these
: groups for many years. Until you or anyone else prove who I am and that I
am
: not a real MVP then you need to shut up and stop trolling this group
looking
: for a flame war.
:
: Flamestar
:
: [quoted text clipped - 133 lines]
: HTH
: -pk
:
: --
: Message posted via http://www.windowskb.com
:

Well how long does it take? I'm still waiting....................


--

Newsgroup Trolls. Read about mine here http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads
The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com, David
H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz, Beauregard T.
Shagnasty,Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell




"Tom [Pepper] Willett" wrote in message
...
He'll be receiving proof from Microsoft quite soon.

"Chris O'C via WindowsKB.com" u29189@uwe wrote in message
news:83deb7b72ad9f@uwe...
: Glad you asked us for proof that you aren't a real MVP. It's soooo easy
to
: prove, even without revealing your real name or providing a link to an
MVP
: profile.
:
: Your inability to sign into Microsoft's community with an MVP Windows
Live
ID
: to post messages so the blue Microsoft MVP icon shows next to your
pcbutts1
: name means you aren't a current Microsoft MVP.
:
: As a current Microsoft MVP I can sign in with an MVP Windows Live ID,
post
a
: message to the community on Microsoft's site, then post a link here to
that
: message. That message shows the blue MVP icon next to my name, Chris
O'C.
: You may have to expand the middle column to the right to see the blue
MVP
: icon next to my name.
:
:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...2d4&sloc=en-us
:
:
: If you can't see the icon very well, open this next page and scroll
about
: half way down to my message posted at 4/27/2008 10:05 PM EST. It's a
: multipost view of the same thread.
:
:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/comm...=US&sloc=en-us
:
:
: Even though I've pretty much spelled out my full name in my posts, the
: Windows Live ID post doesn't reveal which of the 4000 MVP profiles is
mine,
: nor my full name.
:
: Since you *can't* sign in with an MVP Windows Live ID and post a message
on
: the Microsoft community site that shows the blue MVP icon next to your
: pcbutts1 user name, you're not an MVP. Only MVPs can do that, even if
they
: want to keep their real names and MVP profiles private.
:
: Chris
: Microsoft MVP
:
:
:
:
:
: pcbutts1 [MS MVP] wrote:
: First of all I am getting sick and tired of people saying I am not an
MVP. I
: am an MVP. My name is not pcbutts1 that is why you cannot find it on
the
MS
: site. There 4000+ MVP's in 94 countries, you don't know me and have no
right
: to lie about me. I have been offering correct help and advice in these
: groups for many years. Until you or anyone else prove who I am and that
I
am
: not a real MVP then you need to shut up and stop trolling this group
looking
: for a flame war.
:
: Flamestar
:
: [quoted text clipped - 133 lines]
: HTH
: -pk
:
: --
: Message posted via http://www.windowskb.com
:

Mr. Butts, you may not be aware of this, but a Microsoft MVP would have
posted a *very* different response.

You wonder why noone believes you're an MVP. It's because you repeatedly
guess wrong on things an MVP *should* know about in the MVP program and don't
know where to go to get the right MVP information. You aren't a Microsoft
MVP and don't even know any MVPs who could fill you in on non-NDA information
to help you in your charade.

Chris
Microsoft MVP


pcbutts1 [MS MVP] wrote:
Well how long does it take? I'm still waiting....................

He'll be receiving proof from Microsoft quite soon.

--
Message posted via WindowsKB.com
http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums....users/200805/1

I'm still waiting....................


--

Newsgroup Trolls. Read about mine here http://www.pcbutts1.com/downloads
The list grows. Leythos the stalker http://www.leythosthestalker.com, David
H. Lipman, Max M Wachtell III aka What's in a Name?, Fitz, Beauregard T.
Shagnasty,Rhonda Lea Kirk, Meat Plow, F Kwatu F, George Orwell




"Chris O'C via WindowsKB.com" u29189@uwe wrote in message
news:8418a7320a66c@uwe...
Mr. Butts, you may not be aware of this, but a Microsoft MVP would have
posted a *very* different response.

You wonder why noone believes you're an MVP. It's because you repeatedly
guess wrong on things an MVP *should* know about in the MVP program and
don't
know where to go to get the right MVP information. You aren't a Microsoft
MVP and don't even know any MVPs who could fill you in on non-NDA
information
to help you in your charade.

Chris
Microsoft MVP


pcbutts1 [MS MVP] wrote:
Well how long does it take? I'm still waiting....................

He'll be receiving proof from Microsoft quite soon.

--
Message posted via WindowsKB.com
http://www.windowskb.com/Uwe/Forums....users/200805/1

On May 8, 10:00*am, "Patrick Keenan" wrote:
"flamestar" wrote in message

...
You didn’t read my post.
===

Yes, I did read it. * Please read my response carefully.

If you can't follow the directions, it's time to pay someone to help you,
someone who will actually *sit at the keyboard*.

HTH
-pk

snippage

Yes, I did read it. Please read my response carefully.

If you can't follow the directions, it's time to pay someone to help you,
someone who will actually *sit at the keyboard*.

Directions to do what???

I never asked for directions to do anything which proves that you are
either lying or are totally ignorant.

I challenge you to provide proof that I asked for directions. If you
don’t then the above applies.

On May 1, 10:25*pm, "Patrick Keenan" wrote:
"flamestar" wrote in message

...
On May 1, 10:04 am, "pcbutts1 *[MS MVP]"

wrote:
Download and run the Norton Removal Tool

http://service1.symantec.com/Support...d/200503310816...

That doesn’t work. I ran the removal tool several times before I
called Norton customer service. They ran it at least twice before they
manually removed the program. All the removal tool does is hide the
program it does not remove it.

============
The removal tool actually does remove the program - the files, folders, and
registry entries.

If it isn't working for you, restart in Safe Mode as Administrator, and
remove the folders and registry entries manually. * * If you don't know how
to do this, it might be a good idea to hire someone who does.

Have them back up the drive before doing this, just to be on the safe side..

HTH
-pk

Why?

Norton Cannot Be Removed and Disables Competing Products.
Can’t anything be done about Norton attacking other programs?

This is not a request for directions. Unless you think you have a set
of directions that will change the whole Norton product line.

Over 6 months ago Norton Ghost stopped working. Norton said the
version was so old they wouldn’t support it so I uninstalled and
deleted it.
However it kept coming back.

This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.



This led me to doubt Norton Antivirus so tried install other anti-
viruses but other anti virus programs but
Norton Anti virus deleted them.

This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.


Then I found that Norton antivirus could not be uninstalled. I tried
support but they said they could do nothing. The problem was antivirus
and ghost would reinstall the other program but I kept calling and
found someone who agreed to help.


This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.


He really wasn’t supposed to. To be clear there was another
department
that was supposed uninstall my version of Norton anti-virus but they
never answered the phone.

This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.


It took nearly ten hours for customer
service to remove both antivirus and ghost. The reason was Norton
hides its files all over the hard drive and has to be uninstalled by
hand.


This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.



Ok so I get bit defender and elephant drive. They work great. Norton
never ever worked as good as either program. Bit Defender gives me
much more information and control in dealing with a virus. Elephant
Drive actually worked unlike Ghost.

This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.




Three days ago Elephant Drive stops working. I do all the erase and
install stuff and make sure everything’s right and then I chat with
the Elephant Drive help. We go through everything again. Then we
check
the registry and it’s a little strange but ok Then one last thing, a
nested file for elephant drive, so down and down we go and hiding
deep
in an Elephant Drive file is Norton Ghost.

I did not say the program was back only that there was a file I found
where it is illegal for such a file to be found and that file is
called Norton Ghost.

I did not say the whole Norton Ghost software package was there and
if you could read you would know it.

flamestar wrote:

On May 1, 10:25 pm, "Patrick Keenan" wrote:

"flamestar" wrote in message

...
On May 1, 10:04 am, "pcbutts1 [MS MVP]"

wrote:

Download and run the Norton Removal Tool

http://service1.symantec.com/Support...d/200503310816...

That doesn’t work. I ran the removal tool several times before I
called Norton customer service. They ran it at least twice before they
manually removed the program. All the removal tool does is hide the
program it does not remove it.

============
The removal tool actually does remove the program - the files, folders, and
registry entries.

If it isn't working for you, restart in Safe Mode as Administrator, and
remove the folders and registry entries manually. If you don't know how
to do this, it might be a good idea to hire someone who does.

Have them back up the drive before doing this, just to be on the safe side.

HTH
-pk


Why?

Norton Cannot Be Removed and Disables Competing Products.
Can’t anything be done about Norton attacking other programs?

That is nonsense, I can remove any Norton products, I have done so many
times. I can also disable any Norton products without removing them.

John

"flamestar" wrote in message
...
On May 1, 10:25 pm, "Patrick Keenan" wrote:
"flamestar" wrote in message

...
On May 1, 10:04 am, "pcbutts1 [MS MVP]"

wrote:
Download and run the Norton Removal Tool

http://service1.symantec.com/Support...d/200503310816...

That doesn’t work. I ran the removal tool several times before I
called Norton customer service. They ran it at least twice before they
manually removed the program. All the removal tool does is hide the
program it does not remove it.

============
The removal tool actually does remove the program - the files, folders,
and
registry entries.

If it isn't working for you, restart in Safe Mode as Administrator, and
remove the folders and registry entries manually. If you don't know how
to do this, it might be a good idea to hire someone who does.

Have them back up the drive before doing this, just to be on the safe
side.

HTH
-pk

Why?

Norton Cannot Be Removed and Disables Competing Products.
Can’t anything be done about Norton attacking other programs?

This is not a request for directions. Unless you think you have a set
of directions that will change the whole Norton product line.

Over 6 months ago Norton Ghost stopped working. Norton said the
version was so old they wouldn’t support it so I uninstalled and
deleted it.
However it kept coming back.

This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.



This led me to doubt Norton Antivirus so tried install other anti-
viruses but other anti virus programs but
Norton Anti virus deleted them.

This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.


Then I found that Norton antivirus could not be uninstalled. I tried
support but they said they could do nothing. The problem was antivirus
and ghost would reinstall the other program but I kept calling and
found someone who agreed to help.


This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.


He really wasn’t supposed to. To be clear there was another
department
that was supposed uninstall my version of Norton anti-virus but they
never answered the phone.

This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.


It took nearly ten hours for customer
service to remove both antivirus and ghost. The reason was Norton
hides its files all over the hard drive and has to be uninstalled by
hand.


This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.



Ok so I get bit defender and elephant drive. They work great. Norton
never ever worked as good as either program. Bit Defender gives me
much more information and control in dealing with a virus. Elephant
Drive actually worked unlike Ghost.

This is not a request for directions only a statement of fact.




Three days ago Elephant Drive stops working. I do all the erase and
install stuff and make sure everything’s right and then I chat with
the Elephant Drive help. We go through everything again. Then we
check
the registry and it’s a little strange but ok Then one last thing, a
nested file for elephant drive, so down and down we go and hiding
deep
in an Elephant Drive file is Norton Ghost.

I did not say the program was back only that there was a file I found
where it is illegal for such a file to be found and that file is
called Norton Ghost.

I did not say the whole Norton Ghost software package was there and
if you could read you would know it.

============================

You're back?

As well as being defensive, your posts are now recursively all about your
posts and attacking responders, not about your problem. You could also learn
a little humilty. An attitude of "Hey, everyone, I've got such-and-such
problem; can anybody please help?" is utterly lacking in your posts. I'm not
even entirely convinced that you're not just trolling.

But then, looking back, your original post is off-topic. All you originally
asked was,

"Can’t anything be done about Norton attacking other programs?"

with the follow-up comment:

"This is not a request for directions. Unless you think you have a set of
directions that will change the whole Norton product line."

So, what *is* it that you want? Doing something to stop Norton doing the
attacking in the first place is OT - it would be a change to Norton, and
nothing to do with XP. Or perhaps it would be a matter for Dell, what with
their "burning Norton in to ROM" that you suspect.

And should anyone dare to question your assertion that "Norton cannot be
removed" you get in a terrible tizzy.

I'd just repeat what LVTravel said a while back:

"Enough is enough. If you don't like the answers you get here, go somewhere
else like back to Norton. This is a newsgroup for XP new users.... The best
way to ensure that Norton is totally uninstalled, in your case, is to
totally reinstall Windows from scratch, don't use any of your backup except
for individual data files and your programs from their original disks."

*plonk*