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Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their
fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside
world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they
couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message
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Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their
fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside
world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they
couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2


It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem

All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

--
Regards
wasbit

wasbit wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
news
Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't
their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the
outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or
wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log
into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2



It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem


All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack


For that one, there isn't a real need to secure the unit to the wall.
The RJ11 coming into the house, is pretty rugged and reliable
(at least, compared to fiber optics). For a VDSL model, you could
sit that on a table next to the demarc if you wanted.

This is an example of a fiber to the home setup, and it has both
an ONT and a battery backup (the battery backup is because it
has VOIP). And you don't really want the fiber to extend into
the living area, where it could get damaged. Fiber has a bend-radius
limit, and in the long term would work best if the customer couldn't
mess with it. And if the ONT and the battery backup were bolted to
a board (or garage wall), that would be for the best. The fiber
is a green cable. They even give you four LAN ports on this one.

http://homeclarke.mynetgear.com:8080...dry%20copy.jpg

Paul

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 22:20:01 -0500, Paul wrote:

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2

Yes that's a VDSL router with wifi and Ethernet outputs to the
consumer. VDSL is the buzz phrase for the final copper drop from the
cabinet to the user premises. Usually only a couple of hundred
metres so can be pretty fast for downloads.

I see that few companies are offering fibre to the premises with the
promise of 1GB download rates.

https://www.homeandbusiness.openreac...bre-buy-it-now

mechanic wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 22:20:01 -0500, Paul wrote:

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2

Yes that's a VDSL router with wifi and Ethernet outputs to the
consumer. VDSL is the buzz phrase for the final copper drop from the
cabinet to the user premises. Usually only a couple of hundred
metres so can be pretty fast for downloads.

I see that few companies are offering fibre to the premises with the
promise of 1GB download rates.

https://www.homeandbusiness.openreac...bre-buy-it-now

We have that here.

The newest and weirdest offering, is 1.5Gbit/sec fiber.

https://www.bell.ca/Bell_Internet/Pr...Gigabit15-FTTH

Total download speed 1.5 Gbps === customers measure ~600, varies a lot
Upload speed 940 Mbps === customers get *consistent* upload speed
Included monthly usage No cap

Home Hub 3000 with wireless AC technology included.

$110 per month

So the Wifi is how you're supposed to surpass the 1 GbE limit
on the Ethernet port. Good luck with that.

And it's a hobbyist play-toy.

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r311...e-HomeHub-3000

Paul

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:16:17 -0000, Paul wrote:

wasbit wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
news
Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't
their fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the
outside world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or
wireless, or they couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log
into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2



It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem


All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack


For that one, there isn't a real need to secure the unit to the wall.
The RJ11 coming into the house, is pretty rugged and reliable
(at least, compared to fiber optics). For a VDSL model, you could
sit that on a table next to the demarc if you wanted.

This is an example of a fiber to the home setup, and it has both
an ONT and a battery backup (the battery backup is because it
has VOIP). And you don't really want the fiber to extend into
the living area, where it could get damaged. Fiber has a bend-radius
limit, and in the long term would work best if the customer couldn't
mess with it. And if the ONT and the battery backup were bolted to
a board (or garage wall), that would be for the best. The fiber
is a green cable. They even give you four LAN ports on this one.

http://homeclarke.mynetgear.com:8080...dry%20copy.jpg

whoever fitted that needs glasses.

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
news
Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their
fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside
world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they
couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2

I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected, instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem.
https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590

It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem

I have that too.

All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off.

As does mine.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:39:34 -0000, mechanic wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 22:20:01 -0500, Paul wrote:

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2

Yes that's a VDSL router with wifi and Ethernet outputs to the
consumer. VDSL is the buzz phrase for the final copper drop from the
cabinet to the user premises. Usually only a couple of hundred
metres so can be pretty fast for downloads.

I see that few companies are offering fibre to the premises with the
promise of 1GB download rates.

https://www.homeandbusiness.openreac...bre-buy-it-now

For once technology is exceeding demand. I can have 38 or 54 Mbit. I use 38 to save money and it's more than fast enough.

Steven Watkins wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit
wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
news
Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their
fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside
world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they
couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2


I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected,
instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem.
https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590


It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem


I have that too.

All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off.

As does mine.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

I'm getting dizzy.

What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\

802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ?

Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed.

Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something.

I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed
service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the
10/100BT persuasion.

I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service
I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate
software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual
couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't
support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on
a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router
wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same
router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more
than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable.

Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a
GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine
to machine network in the house would perform well.
The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also
a one-port-router in there.

Paul

On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:11:44 -0000, Paul wrote:

Steven Watkins wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit
wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
news Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their
fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside
world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they
couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2


I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected,
instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem.
https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590


It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem


I have that too.

All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off.

As does mine.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

I'm getting dizzy.

What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\

802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ?

Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed.

Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something.

I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed
service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the
10/100BT persuasion.

I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service
I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate
software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual
couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't
support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on
a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router
wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same
router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more
than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable.

Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a
GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine
to machine network in the house would perform well.
The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also
a one-port-router in there.

Not sure what you're getting at. I pay for 38 or 80 (limited to 54 by the length of copper to my house) Mbps. Both routers are capable of 100. Nothing slows anything down and they very rarely crash.

On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 01:08:57 -0000, "Steven Watkins"
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:11:44 -0000, Paul wrote:

Steven Watkins wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit
wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
news Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't their
fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the outside
world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or they
couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2


I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected,
instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach modem.
https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590


It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem


I have that too.

All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked off.

As does mine.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

I'm getting dizzy.

What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\

802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ?

Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed.

Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something.

I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed
service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the
10/100BT persuasion.

I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service
I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate
software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual
couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't
support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on
a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router
wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same
router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more
than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable.

Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a
GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine
to machine network in the house would perform well.
The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also
a one-port-router in there.

Not sure what you're getting at. I pay for 38 or 80 (limited to 54 by the length of copper to my house) Mbps. Both routers are capable of 100. Nothing slows anything down and they very rarely crash.

Paul described the LAN as "machine to machine". Do you have two or more
PCs on the LAN? If not, then skip this, but if you do, then take a look
at each of their network adapters. Are they all Gigabit-capable? If so,
you're hamstringing them by connecting them to a 100BT interface on your
router. You could potentially greatly increase the file transfer speed
between PCs by connecting them to a Gigabit switch. To complete the
Internet portion, you'd connect one port on the Gig switch to one port
on your current router.

That would make LAN transfers much faster than they are now, without
affecting your Internet speed.

Above, when you say, "Both routers are capable of 100", that's just
annoying. For the Nth time, you don't have two routers. You have one
modem and one router.

Steven Watkins wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:11:44 -0000, Paul wrote:

Steven Watkins wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit
wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
news Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't
their
fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the
outside
world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or
they
couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2



I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected,
instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach
modem.
https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590



It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem



I have that too.

All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked
off.

As does mine.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

I'm getting dizzy.

What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\

802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ?

Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed.

Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something.

I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed
service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the
10/100BT persuasion.

I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service
I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate
software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual
couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't
support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on
a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router
wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same
router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more
than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable.

Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a
GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine
to machine network in the house would perform well.
The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also
a one-port-router in there.

Not sure what you're getting at. I pay for 38 or 80 (limited to 54 by
the length of copper to my house) Mbps. Both routers are capable of
100. Nothing slows anything down and they very rarely crash.

--- 50 ---

50 ----- box ------------- switch ---- ^
---- | 1000
---- |
---- v

When the ports on the switch exchange traffic between
LAN devices, like file sharing between Computer1 and Computer2,
that can run at GbE rates. This allows large file transfer
at 112MB/sec (approximately).

Any WAN traffic headed to the Internet, goes through
any other bottlenecks you've got. A router can have
a LAN to WAN limit (my oldest router was 3MB/sec LAN
to WAN). The port choices could matter, if your service
is really fast. If the "box" in the diagram had a 100BT
connector, then having a 150Mbit/sec service wouldn't make
sense.

Wifi is worse, in that the performance isn't bounded.
At least a piece of wire, has some predictability to it.
Wire still has a noise floor, but the BER could be down
around 10^-8 or 10^-9. I doubt Wifi is anywhere near as
good. Just walking near Wifi equipment changes the
transmission patterns and signal level.

So the Bell fiber offering here, it promises 1.5Gbit/sec
downloads. If you were transferring over 802.11AC, I doubt
you'd *ever* see it that good (the whole 1.5Gbit/sec), even
if you connected the antennas between boxes with coaxial cables
or wave guides, and adjustable attenuators (to avoid front
end overload).

Paul

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 21:53:07 -0500, Paul wrote:

So the Bell fiber offering here, it promises 1.5Gbit/sec
downloads. If you were transferring over 802.11AC, I doubt
you'd *ever* see it that good (the whole 1.5Gbit/sec), even
if you connected the antennas between boxes with coaxial cables
or wave guides, and adjustable attenuators (to avoid front
end overload).

LOL That's awesome. That's not usually how people connect their WiFi,
but I love it.

On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 02:53:07 -0000, Paul wrote:

Steven Watkins wrote:
On Wed, 07 Nov 2018 00:11:44 -0000, Paul wrote:

Steven Watkins wrote:
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:03:55 -0000, wasbit
wrote:

"Paul" wrote in message
news Steven Watkins wrote:
On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 20:05:51 -0000, mechanic
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Nov 2018 00:12:43 -0000, Steven Watkins wrote:

The outer box I have connects to the phone line (fibre) on one
side, and produces something on an ethernet cable on the other
side. Why can't that plug directly into the computer?

Having two boxes (in the UK) goes back to the earlier days of fibre.
The most popular scheme at the moment (again in the UK) is a fibre
connection to a local cabinet, where the various customer channels
are separated and connected via individual copper pairs to the
customer. At first these systems were entirely the responsibility of
BT Openreach and typically an engineer visit was needed to set the
thing up. The modem supplies a TCP/IP data stream to a router which,
er, routes the data packets to individual machines on the same
premises. Nowadays with the march of progress the two boxes are
combined into one and supplied part configured by the ISP.
Installing is thus much simpler and is usually left to the end user.

So it was either two companies not wanting problems that weren't
their
fault, or a badly designed primary router (the one nearest the
outside
world) that couldn't provide more than one output, or wireless, or
they
couldn't be bothered having the circuitry to log into the ISP.

Is the ISP box, something similar to the ones here ?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-isps.html/2



I have this, which claims to be ADSL, but that port isn't connected,
instead it gets the incoming via ethernet from the below openreach
modem.
https://community.plus.net/t5/Librar...s/ba-p/1322590



It can be, but the Openreach modem is like this
-
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/d...ch-fibre-modem



I have that too.

All the ones that I've seen have two ethernet ports with one blanked
off.

As does mine.

The phone line is connected via an RJ11 port
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered_jack

I'm getting dizzy.

What's with all the 10/100BT ports ? :-\

802.11n 2x2 (2.4 GHz) (b/g/n). What is this, 1970 ?

Something in this picture... just... isn't... needed.

Or should be re-sold/re-gifted on Ebay or something.

I've seen other ISPs do this stuff too. Offer a super-high-speed
service, then rent customers equipment with 4 ports of the
10/100BT persuasion.

I suppose it's no worse than the first broadband service
I got here. Where the provider said to use a separate
software package to terminate PPPOE, with the usual
couple of crashes per evening (the OS at the time, didn't
support PPPOE termination itself). I had to fork out on
a home router, to stop the crashing. Even that router
wasn't all that good. Today, you could buy the same
router for $39.95, and the Ethernet cables cost more
than the router does. And the $39.95 router is actually stable.

Why can't you take the OpenReach modem, and plug a
GbE switch into its one RJ45 ? At least the machine
to machine network in the house would perform well.
The port is labeled LAN1, so there's probably also
a one-port-router in there.

Not sure what you're getting at. I pay for 38 or 80 (limited to 54 by
the length of copper to my house) Mbps. Both routers are capable of
100. Nothing slows anything down and they very rarely crash.

--- 50 ---

50 ----- box ------------- switch ---- ^
---- | 1000
---- |
---- v

When the ports on the switch exchange traffic between
LAN devices, like file sharing between Computer1 and Computer2,
that can run at GbE rates. This allows large file transfer
at 112MB/sec (approximately).

Any WAN traffic headed to the Internet, goes through
any other bottlenecks you've got. A router can have
a LAN to WAN limit (my oldest router was 3MB/sec LAN
to WAN). The port choices could matter, if your service
is really fast. If the "box" in the diagram had a 100BT
connector, then having a 150Mbit/sec service wouldn't make
sense.

Wifi is worse, in that the performance isn't bounded.
At least a piece of wire, has some predictability to it.
Wire still has a noise floor, but the BER could be down
around 10^-8 or 10^-9. I doubt Wifi is anywhere near as
good. Just walking near Wifi equipment changes the
transmission patterns and signal level.

So the Bell fiber offering here, it promises 1.5Gbit/sec
downloads. If you were transferring over 802.11AC, I doubt
you'd *ever* see it that good (the whole 1.5Gbit/sec), even
if you connected the antennas between boxes with coaxial cables
or wave guides, and adjustable attenuators (to avoid front
end overload).

When I need Gigabit between computers, I buy my own Gigabit switch and plug one of the ports into the internet router. Really no need to have that as standard on the router.

In article , Steven Watkins
wrote:


When I need Gigabit between computers, I buy my own Gigabit
switch and plug one of the ports into the internet router. Really
no need to have that as standard on the router.

it is when you have internet speeds of 100mbit or faster, or don't want
a second box adding to clutter and a nest of cables.