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Getting Windows 7 Updates Without Being Forced to Windows 10
Dear Win7ers:
The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. Does anyone have better data? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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Getting Windows 7 Updates Without Being Forced to Windows 10
Gene Wirchenko wrote:
The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. There are products to thwart GWX, like GWX Control Panel (the one that I use but there are others, like Never 10 but that one only performs one of GWX Control Panel's options). Those monitor for updates that you attempt to install that include GWX (Get Windows 10). Another method, if you have a non-Home edition of Windows so you have the policy editor (unless you're willing to directly edit the registry since all policies are registry entries), if to define a SRP (Software Restriction Policy) that bars the execution of gwx.exe. Find where it got deposited and create a Path rule for it. Disallow it. Now Windows will prevent GWX from loading. Alternatively, you can create a registry entry to block gwx.exe from loading (but that means you are allowing its install but then neutering it). Of course, you are telling asking the burgler to not burgle your home; i.e., you rely on a policy in Microsoft's Windows to effect control over Microsoft's GWX. The following blog touches on some in-built methods to block GWX: http://preview.tinyurl.com/j7cmnec You are the one doing the updating so you should be reviewing each update that isn't obvious what it does (which is a lot of them). Don't just swallow what Microsoft shoves into your mouth. Take little bites. Decide which updates to allow by looking at them. If allocate the role of admin to yourself then you get the joy of doing the admin's duties. You can be sloppy or you can be tight in regulating what updates get installed in Windows 7. Not so with Windows 10 where the best you get is to delay all of them or not accept some which means not getting any more later. If the Microsoft KB article linked to an update is missing or too vague, you can often search on the KBxxxxxx number to see what others have found. There is also the http://www.askwoody.com/ site that reviews or exposes what many updates will do. However, the guy isn't infallible. Just now he is guessing why nothing showed up on Patch Tuesday. What I've heard is that Microsoft is delaying the updates for some critical ones they want to include (see http://preview.tinyurl.com/jjyuxjv), like an in-the-wild vulnerability with SMB. May not affect you but it is used (see http://preview.tinyurl.com/zemvdz3). I turn off Windows Updates until I am prepared for them (have the time to install and possibly have to reboot, have image backups, and simply feel like I want to do them). No, I don't just disable auto updates in the WU client because that has been shown to still allow updates. I disable the BITS and WU services. Not until *I* am ready do I reenable those service and then use the WU client to determine if new updates for my Windows instance are available and then I review each one. Often I end up hiding an update, like those regarding the Experience telemetrics crap to give Microsoft info about your deployment of Windows. You do save image backups and have them scheduled (not just manually instigated) at periodic intervals, right? While I use GWX Control Panel and review each update, something might slip by. The easy to back out of an unwanted change is to restore from a backup. Not, I'm not talking about System Restore but real backups. |
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Getting Windows 7 Updates Without Being Forced to Windows 10
Gene Wirchenko wrote:
Dear Win7ers: The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. Does anyone have better data? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Not going to happen. People like you will be handled by attrition. You'll be going to the Best Buy soon, and buying a brand new PC with (only) Win10 available. Job done. Every business plan, must have the word "profit" as the last item in the list. What do we know ? 1) Microsoft likes the way Apple plays. While Microsoft doesn't have the mindshare, they will not be dissuaded from copying the approach of a competitor. 2) Apple has an App Store, with a sweet markup. Microsoft has an App Store with a sweet markup. 3) Microsoft wants to turn your desktop, into the worlds largest SmartPhone. With icons the size of Wyoming as a feature. Desktop features will "disappear", as part of the Frog Boiling campaign. The idea is, the rolling Win10 release, allows the OS to be changed gradually. Where can the customers escape to ? That is the question. 4) Everyone knows a "walled garden is more secure". What better way to do that, than have an OS where all the applications must come from an App Store with a 30% markup. Now, just follow the dots. Remember, any picture you draw, must have the word "profit" at the bottom. How can you make Microsoft a profit ? A monthly charge for Enterprise users is workable. For the rest, the App Store seems to be the best option. The consumer market is cost-sensitive enough, that the Enterprise charging would scare them away. (Even $7 a month would scare them away.) And the transition must be gradual enough, that none of the frogs jump out of the boiling water, until it is too late. And we know how dopey the user population is, when we have reports of users "who did not know they had been upgraded to Windows 10". There is no hope for the world, when people lack the ability to see the differences. Nevertheless, those are the Frogs which will be boiled in the Large Pot that Microsoft is preparing. Every business plan must have "Profit" as the last line. If they won't tell us their plan, it's easy enough to extrapolate. Either "rent the OS" or "lock to App Store". Those are the options. They seem to have abandoned the conventional "Charge for new OS" model, as "Not Apple Enough". And everything Apple does, must be right. Paul |
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On 2/15/2017 10:43 AM, Paul wrote:
Gene Wirchenko wrote: Dear Win7ers: The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. Does anyone have better data? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Not going to happen. People like you will be handled by attrition. You'll be going to the Best Buy soon, and buying a brand new PC with (only) Win10 available. Job done. Every business plan, must have the word "profit" as the last item in the list. What do we know ? 1) Microsoft likes the way Apple plays. While Microsoft doesn't have the mindshare, they will not be dissuaded from copying the approach of a competitor. 2) Apple has an App Store, with a sweet markup. Microsoft has an App Store with a sweet markup. 3) Microsoft wants to turn your desktop, into the worlds largest SmartPhone. With icons the size of Wyoming as a feature. Desktop features will "disappear", as part of the Frog Boiling campaign. The idea is, the rolling Win10 release, allows the OS to be changed gradually. Where can the customers escape to ? That is the question. 4) Everyone knows a "walled garden is more secure". What better way to do that, than have an OS where all the applications must come from an App Store with a 30% markup. Now, just follow the dots. Remember, any picture you draw, must have the word "profit" at the bottom. How can you make Microsoft a profit ? A monthly charge for Enterprise users is workable. For the rest, the App Store seems to be the best option. The consumer market is cost-sensitive enough, that the Enterprise charging would scare them away. (Even $7 a month would scare them away.) And the transition must be gradual enough, that none of the frogs jump out of the boiling water, until it is too late. And we know how dopey the user population is, when we have reports of users "who did not know they had been upgraded to Windows 10". There is no hope for the world, when people lack the ability to see the differences. Nevertheless, those are the Frogs which will be boiled in the Large Pot that Microsoft is preparing. Every business plan must have "Profit" as the last line. If they won't tell us their plan, it's easy enough to extrapolate. Either "rent the OS" or "lock to App Store". Those are the options. They seem to have abandoned the conventional "Charge for new OS" model, as "Not Apple Enough". And everything Apple does, must be right. Paul I'd disagree with that. Any BUSINESS plan that doesn't have PROFIT as the FIRST line isn't worth reading. |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:43:55 -0500, Paul
wrote: Gene Wirchenko wrote: Dear Win7ers: The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. Does anyone have better data? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Not going to happen. People like you will be handled by attrition. You'll be going to the Best Buy soon, and buying a brand new PC with (only) Win10 available. Job done. Every business plan, must have the word "profit" as the last item in the list. What do we know ? 1) Microsoft likes the way Apple plays. While Microsoft doesn't have the mindshare, they will not be dissuaded from copying the approach of a competitor. 2) Apple has an App Store, with a sweet markup. Microsoft has an App Store with a sweet markup. 3) Microsoft wants to turn your desktop, into the worlds largest SmartPhone. With icons the size of Wyoming as a feature. Desktop features will "disappear", as part of the Frog Boiling campaign. The idea is, the rolling Win10 release, allows the OS to be changed gradually. Where can the customers escape to ? That is the question. 4) Everyone knows a "walled garden is more secure". What better way to do that, than have an OS where all the applications must come from an App Store with a 30% markup. Now, just follow the dots. Remember, any picture you draw, must have the word "profit" at the bottom. How can you make Microsoft a profit ? A monthly charge for Enterprise users is workable. For the rest, the App Store seems to be the best option. The consumer market is cost-sensitive enough, that the Enterprise charging would scare them away. (Even $7 a month would scare them away.) And the transition must be gradual enough, that none of the frogs jump out of the boiling water, until it is too late. And we know how dopey the user population is, when we have reports of users "who did not know they had been upgraded to Windows 10". There is no hope for the world, when people lack the ability to see the differences. Nevertheless, those are the Frogs which will be boiled in the Large Pot that Microsoft is preparing. Every business plan must have "Profit" as the last line. If they won't tell us their plan, it's easy enough to extrapolate. Either "rent the OS" or "lock to App Store". Those are the options. They seem to have abandoned the conventional "Charge for new OS" model, as "Not Apple Enough". And everything Apple does, must be right. Paul Awesome assessment, Paul. I love it! DC |
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Paul wrote:
Not going to happen. People like you will be handled by attrition. You'll be going to the Best Buy soon, and buying a brand new PC with (only) Win10 available. Job done. Two words: Linux Mint. Job done. |
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Getting Windows 7 Updates Without Being Forced to Windows 10
On 15/02/2017 17:54, Gene Wirchenko wrote:
Dear Win7ers: The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. Does anyone have better data? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko Get a life Wirchenko. There is no free Windows 10 for most people unless you claim to be mentally sick and so require assistive technology to fulfil your life like any normal human being!!!. You will need to buy a new machine with Windows 10 sooner rather than later as software makers have stopped making software for old OSs. -- If you want to filter all of my posts then please read this article: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/organize-your-messages-using-filters In step 7 select "Delete" With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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Getting Windows 7 Updates Without Being Forced to Windows 10
Gene Wirchenko wrote:
Dear Win7ers: The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. Does anyone have better data? Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko I stopped updating around July or Aug 2016 when MS came out with the monthly rollups with unknown contents. For years I looked at every upgrade offered and found that 99% were useless and the 1:100 that I kept was unnecessary. |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 12:34:32 -0600, VanguardLH wrote:
Gene Wirchenko wrote: The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. There are products to thwart GWX, like GWX Control Panel (the one that I use but there are others, like Never 10 but that one only performs one of GWX Control Panel's options). Those monitor for updates that you I have GWX Control Panel installed. I am still leery. Microsoft might update their updating to get past it. [snip] You are the one doing the updating so you should be reviewing each update that isn't obvious what it does (which is a lot of them). Don't Yes, it is a lot of them. I do not want to spend a lot of time on reviewing either. just swallow what Microsoft shoves into your mouth. Take little bites. I have not been. I am wondering if I can safely swallow. [snip] Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 22:58:10 +0100, Z wrote:
Paul wrote: Not going to happen. People like you will be handled by attrition. You'll be going to the Best Buy soon, and buying a brand new PC with (only) Win10 available. Job done. Two words: Linux Mint. Job done. At some point, I may just jump from Microsoft. I do some programming in a language that is Microsoft-only so I am stuck for now. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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Gene Wirchenko wrote:
At some point, I may just jump from Microsoft. I do some programming in a language that is Microsoft-only so I am stuck for now. I'm not a Linux proselytizer. I typically say to use the best platform for whatever is the task, not pick an OS and then see if there is software to perform the task. At work, I have to deal with many different OSes. At home, I have picked Windows, so far. However, with the Windows 8 debacle and with Windows 10 being the last "version" of that OS but it will gradually evolve into a different feature set and behaviors (incrementalism works very well), I've been putting off a choice for a new OS for much longer than expected. I may have to decide to give up on the much wider choice of games and look at substitutes for all the software that I currently use - which means looking for cross-platform apps which also means I'm likely to switch to some variant of Linux (e.g., Mint, Zorin OS, Kubuntu). It isn't me making the choice. It is Microsoft making it for me. When the milk gets too sour, time to replace it. Frankly, other than video games, there isn't anything I use now on Windows that doesn't have an equivalent on Linux (and some of it is free). I'll probably wait another 2 years for my Office 365 subscription to expire while saving up for a new build. New computer means new choices. In a couple years, I don't see Windows 10 being a choice. |
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 18:16:31 -0600, Paul in Houston TX
wrote: Gene Wirchenko wrote: Dear Win7ers: The forced "upgrades" of Windows 7 systems to Windows 10 has me concerned. I have not installed Windows upgrades for months now. I am still concerned that Microsoft is going to try another forcing. What I read in trade articles is not clear. Does anyone have better data? I stopped updating around July or Aug 2016 when MS came out with the monthly rollups with unknown contents. For years I looked at every upgrade offered and found that 99% were useless and the 1:100 that I kept was unnecessary. That is around when I stopped, too. Sincerely, Gene Wirchenko |
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On 16 Feb 2017, Gene Wirchenko wrote in
alt.windows7.general: On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 18:16:31 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote: I stopped updating around July or Aug 2016 when MS came out with the monthly rollups with unknown contents. That is around when I stopped, too. Me three - I no longer update. I look at new updates sometimes, but as far as I can tell, there is nothing new being presented to Windows 7 that will make my computer any better or safer than it already is. Of course, it's a little hard to tell any more because Microsoft now intentionally obscures the descriptions of all updates. |
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Nil wrote:
On 16 Feb 2017, Gene Wirchenko wrote in alt.windows7.general: On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 18:16:31 -0600, Paul in Houston TX wrote: I stopped updating around July or Aug 2016 when MS came out with the monthly rollups with unknown contents. That is around when I stopped, too. Me three - I no longer update. I look at new updates sometimes, but as far as I can tell, there is nothing new being presented to Windows 7 that will make my computer any better or safer than it already is. Of course, it's a little hard to tell any more because Microsoft now intentionally obscures the descriptions of all updates. Me four - I stopped as soon as it became obvious what they were doing. I didn't have hours to seek info on what the updates were actually doing. I figured I would be able to use Win7 longer if I avoided their "help". When they finally make it impossible to use Win7 somehow, I will be moving on to something else ... NOT Windows perpetual rent cycle, and beginning Win10 smartphone design. bj |
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Just updated my 7, and haven't seen any push to 10.
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