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  #31  
Old February 19th 17, 04:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:14:30 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:00:19 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 15:32:32 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:05:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:36:54 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:
There are significant advantages to IE.

If that's your view, that's fine with me. But it's not mine at all. In
my opinion, Edge is the worst browser out there, and IE is a close
second. Almost any other browser is preferable.

Ken, I suspect you've fallen for a troll. The initial rant was silly
enough, since -- as you rightly pointed out -- it's quite easy to
switch to a real browser. But the claim of "advantages" to IE11 is
even more silly, and I can't imagine that anyone including the OP
believes it.


You could be right. I thought that might be the case, but I didn't
want to jump to conclusions.


The chosen nym is a danger sign also.

I'm waiting with bated breath for what he tells us are IE's
advantages. g


I predict your breathing will gradually return to normal, your
curiosity unsatisfied. :-)




Yep, you're probably right.
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  #32  
Old February 19th 17, 04:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:12:49 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 17:47:42 -0500, Paul wrote:
No, that's what happens when someones Internet Banking only
works with a specific version of Internet Explorer (ActiveX
etc.). Other than some quirk like that, it doesn't really
have any advantages at all. But your bank probably likes it.
The banks even like to drag their heels, optimizing for
IE10 when IE11 is out.


Two banks in succession, Bank of the Internet and the local B&M bank
Tompkins Trust, lost my business for exactly that reason. They said
they were fine with Firefox, but they weren't. Tompkins Trust
initially had home-grown software that was clunky but worked; then
they bought a version of the software that had driven me away from
the first bank. Numerous support calls and a couple of talks with my
branch manager failed to solve the problem.

I've been with my present bank for almost three years, and they know
how to do software right. Plus there's cash back on certain
transactions.



By the way, although my bank's web site (BofA) works fine with
FireFox, I hardly ever go there. I do almost everything through
Quicken., and to me the most important thing about a bank is that
Quicken works with it.
  #33  
Old February 19th 17, 07:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 19/02/2017 2:58 pm, Mayayana wrote:
"Bob Henson" wrote

| | There are significant advantages to IE.
|
| I can't imagine what those might be.
|
| The main one is the amount of memory it uses. I have an old laptop with
| limited memory running Windows 7, and both Chrome and Firefox have
| become so bloated that neither will run successfully on it at all.
| Internet Explorer 11 loads in a fraction of the time the others take and
| then runs just fine, albeit slowly. Other than that, I agree with you.

I think one reason IE loads instantly is because
it's already running, for the most part. It's very
much tied into the system, and to Explorer. Only
the tiny iexplore.exe graphical front-end and a couple
of things like shdocvw.dll actually need to be loaded.
IE graphics is Windows graphics. IE cookies and cache
are defined as Windows cookies and cache. Much
of the Windows network API is indistingushable from
the IE API. Other browsers bring their own versions
of those things.


That's where the difference lies, certainly - and why, when the others
refused to run on my overloaded old laptop, I switched to using it.
Other than the lack of extensions these days (maybe a good thing because
that's where much of Chrome and Firefox's memory greed comes from)
Internet Explorer 11 works fine in most circumstances.


By the way, thanks for your other comment about
Chrome on phones. That's the first time I've heard
anything that might explain the popularity of Chrome
and the falling number of Firefox users. As someone
who rarely uses a computer phone and has never
needed to "sync" anything, I've been unaware of
that aspect.


Firefox's useless portable version are certainly a major reason now, but
the thing that lost Firefox most of its long time users like me was the
"new" update system a couple of years back which threw out a new version
every couple of weeks, and a change to much of the GUI in a vain attempt
to look like Chrome. As a consequence of the changes, most of the
extension writers got sick and tired of having their extensions broken
every few days, gave up, and left. As the only reason Firefox was better
than other browsers was its flexibility and configurability, there was
no longer any point using it any more when they broke it. We argued long
and hard with them for a very long time in the Firefox Usenet forums,
but the devs had long since ceased to take any notice of the users, who
then left in droves.


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  #34  
Old February 19th 17, 08:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 02/18/2017 05:05 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 15:00:38 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:


The Edge userAgent is designed to look like Chrome:



Yes, I thought the same thing; ranking browsers from best to worst,
starting with Firefox at the top, to me the three worst ones are
Chrome, IE, and Edge, in that order.

But we all have different views. Two of the things that perplex me are
how many people like Chrome and how many people like Edge.


I once thought Opera had potential to become the best browser. However,
recent versions are too much like Chrome.

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  #35  
Old February 19th 17, 08:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2017 09:14:30 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:00:19 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 15:32:32 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:05:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:36:54 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:
There are significant advantages to IE.

If that's your view, that's fine with me. But it's not mine at all. In
my opinion, Edge is the worst browser out there, and IE is a close
second. Almost any other browser is preferable.

Ken, I suspect you've fallen for a troll. The initial rant was silly
enough, since -- as you rightly pointed out -- it's quite easy to
switch to a real browser. But the claim of "advantages" to IE11 is
even more silly, and I can't imagine that anyone including the OP
believes it.


You could be right. I thought that might be the case, but I didn't
want to jump to conclusions.


The chosen nym is a danger sign also.

I'm waiting with bated breath for what he tells us are IE's
advantages. g


I predict your breathing will gradually return to normal, your
curiosity unsatisfied. :-)


OREALLY has a long, but sparse, posting record here, going back quite a
few years. To my knowledge, no one has ever accused her of trollish
behavior until now. I think it's more a case that she's simply
frustrated, and some of that frustration came through on her post.

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  #36  
Old February 19th 17, 08:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote

| BTW, I started putting audio & video on my website soon after FF4 came
| out (with HTML5 AUDIO and VIDEO tags). I have never used Flash. Now
| there seems little reason to add it. Anyone who has a very old browser
| can download the files and play them locally.
|

That's what I do. If I can't download it then I
probably don't need to see it. Though last week I
broke down for an audio lecture I wanted to hear.
I ended up streaming it on another computer and
capturing the audio with Audigy, so that I could
listen at will. A pain in the neck. And not even
a for-profit source. It's unfortunate that so many
sites make it so difficult.

| I do have a Gmail account ...So far the only mail that's ever been in
| it is mail Google sends.
|

Sounds like the perfect Google account.


  #37  
Old February 19th 17, 10:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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1) Easier to create Desktop shortcut

2) Google Toolbar (strangely not available in Google Chrome)

3) Copying a site instantly shows up in Google Toolbar

4) Ability to CUSTOMIZE Zoom

5) Manage Add-ons



"Ken Blake" wrote in message
...

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 15:32:32 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 13:05:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 11:36:54 -0800, "OREALLY"
wrote:

There are significant advantages to IE.



If that's your view, that's fine with me. But it's not mine at all. In
my opinion, Edge is the worst browser out there, and IE is a close
second. Almost any other browser is preferable.


Ken, I suspect you've fallen for a troll. The initial rant was silly
enough, since -- as you rightly pointed out -- it's quite easy to
switch to a real browser. But the claim of "advantages" to IE11 is
even more silly, and I can't imagine that anyone including the OP
believes it.



You could be right. I thought that might be the case, but I didn't
want to jump to conclusions.

I'm waiting with bated breath for what he tells us are IE's
advantages. g

  #38  
Old February 20th 17, 01:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Big Al wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

I found Google (and another but don't remember) were still configured
to go through their proxy. I'd have to change their redirection in
a config file. But then there are all the other mentioned
"features" that I'd still have to disable which would have to get
configured in almost all web browsers - except maybe Epic but I'd
have to dig again into that one to see if they really are secure and
as private as they could be configured.


You couldn't expand on the Chrome config file particulars could you?
I personally like Chrome but am concerned about phone home concepts.


I have Google Chrome installed but do not use it except in case of
emergency, like other web browsers will fail or they exhibit some
problem that I will include Chrome in testing for a solution. When I
trialed Chrome to be my primary web browser, there were lots of features
intrinsic to Firefox that I actually do often use that were sorely
missed in Chrome. Since I decided to use Chrome merely as a backup or
test application, I didn't bother installing any add-ons. I don't think
I even tweaked it to improve on privacy and security. I wanted a
default installation to eliminate any side effects of me altering it.

If what you meant to ask is how to get into Chrome's advanced settings
beyond the few they expose in their config UI, use about:flags (or
chrome://flags to which about:flags redirects). Google Chrome has
nowhere near the configurability of Firefox. For example, try to find
out how to modify the settings for mixed content: where an HTTPS web
page retrieves non-secure HTTP content. In Firefox, there are 2
settings: you can block all insecure content delivered within a
supposedly secure page (which is misleading because either a page is
secure or not and not something between) or just block insecure images.
Google Chrome has just 1 setting which means they block insecure content
except they allow insecure images. The assumption is that images are
independent of your account there and won't have sensitive information.
They figure no site would ever present a image containing an overlay of
your bank account or credit card number. They're wrong. A page is
secure or it is not. Any insecure content means the page is not secure.
Another example is meta-refresh. You can disable it in Firefox via
settings. Not available in Google Chrome. meta-refresh can be used to
redirect you to a page or even a site that you did not intend to visit
and can be used to present interstitial pages, like for ads. While
Firefox will let me block meta-refresh and it tells me about it,
unfortunately it does not offer information about to where the
redirection points. For Chrome, you have to get a meta-refresh blocker
add-on. Note that blocking Javascript does NOT block meta-refresh which
is an HTML tag, not a scripted function. An option (disabled by
default) in Firefox will intervene and warn me about the redirection;
however, although it obviously knows that I would get redirected and to
where that would be, Mozilla decided not to tell me to where the
redirection points. It could be another page at the same web site, or
to another subdomain, or another domain owned by the same site, or
somewhere completely unexpected and unwanted. So Firefox has the option
but it is incompletely implemented.

My recollection from when I trialed Google Chrome was that I had to
immediately find 6 add-ons to add intrinsic features in Firefox or even
in Internet Explorer. I did get up to 9, at first, but recall managing
to back it down to 6 (maybe I just sacrified on features to reduce the
count). Since I decided Google Chrome was not the web browser for me,
it remains as a default install (I uninstalled, cleaned out all the
remnant registry and file entries, and did a clean install, along with
disabling the startup program and scheduled tasks for updating) used
only for rare testing.

The problem with a multi-process web browser, like Chrome, is that you
get multiple processes for each tab but you also get multiple copies of
each add-on for each tab process. So 10 add-ons for 5 tabs means 50
copies of the add-ons are loaded into memory. With Firefox going to the
multi-process model (but timidly at first) - e10s or Electrolysis - the
same duplicity of add-on instances will occur.

As regarding to the part of my post that you actually cited, it's been
too long since I trialed Opera to remember what config file I had to
edit to eliminate redirects to their proxy (even with redirection
disabled in their config UI). I didn't want to bother with their proxy.
It was primarily meant to assist those on slow connections (e.g., dial-
up, DSL) to boost page load time. Caching proxies aren't new. In fact,
that concept is rather old. ISPs use them to speed up effective
responsiveness for the most visited web pages. I have an always-on
highspeed cable Internet connection and the proxy would afford no speed
up for me. Then I noticed Opera was still making connects to Opera's
domain. They weren't for updates. They were when I did searches but
only for a couple of search engines. That led me to dig into their
files searching on those domains, found the redirects still defined in
their config files, changed them, and no more redirects.
  #39  
Old February 20th 17, 08:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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En el artículo , Stan
Brown escribió:

Firefox is my workaday browser, but I do occasionally use Chrome


Firefox recently became unstable for me after years and years of
reliable operation, even with a new profile, a clear, a reset and all
add-ons disabled. I couldn't pin it down on any one cause.

Chrome is quick, but just takes up too much memory. (I'm still on
32-bit Win7).

Currently trying Pale Moon which is based on the same Mozilla code as
Firefox with a lot of the bloat and crap chopped out, and this is
looking good so far. Imported my bookmarks from Firefox, installed
uBlock Origin, and off it went. Low memory footprint, very fast and
works with everything I've tried so far. I usually have 40-60 tabs open
at any one time. I'd be interested to hear what others think.

http://www.palemoon.org/

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  #40  
Old February 20th 17, 09:17 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Mike Tomlinson" wrote

| Currently trying Pale Moon which is based on the same Mozilla code as
| Firefox with a lot of the bloat and crap chopped out, and this is
| looking good so far. Imported my bookmarks from Firefox, installed
| uBlock Origin, and off it went. Low memory footprint, very fast and
| works with everything I've tried so far. I usually have 40-60 tabs open
| at any one time. I'd be interested to hear what others think.
|

I use PM for most things, with script, frames,
coookies, etc disabled. When I need to enable script
I use FF with NoScript and allow session cookies
and referrer. They're basically the same thing, so
all the extensions are the same. I mainly use XP
so I have PM 24. I'm also using FF 36. I don't know
why people think they have to enable that crazy
FF updating schedule. If sites complain I just change
the userAgent. (I think it currently says FF 45.)

I like that I can have two copies of basically the
same browser and switch back and forth. I downloaded
SeaMonkey recently but don't know if there's any
reason to learn that one. I used K-Meleon for a long
time, as a lightweight, more user-friendly branch of
FF. But then KM got abandoned. It recently got
started up again and I installed it, but haven't got
around to trying it out. Unlike PM, it's more customized
away from FF, so it's not an instant transition.

I find both PM and FF work very well, but I've never
enabled auto-updating and I'm familiar with about:config.
Most of the people in the FF group complaining usually start
out with, "I installed the brand new version and now..."

I'd never install the brand new version of *anything*,
including Windows service packs, unless I desperately
need a new feature. There are often rough edges. With
FF, in particular, I don't worry so much about bugs as
broken functionality. I'm tired of needing to get more
extensions for every FF update that removes something
useful. I currently have extensions for privacy, to
replace the status bar, to replace javascript settings,
to fix broken UI details, to restore View Source, and to
get rid of tabs.

One PM glitch: I just built a new Win7-64 box and
installed the latest PM, along with FF. For some reason
PM won't load a webpage. Very odd. But I'm guessing
it's probably some obvious glitch that I've overlooked.
I just haven't got around to figuring it out.


  #41  
Old February 21st 17, 12:46 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:17:43 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote

| Currently trying Pale Moon which is based on the same Mozilla code as
| Firefox with a lot of the bloat and crap chopped out, and this is
| looking good so far. Imported my bookmarks from Firefox, installed
| uBlock Origin, and off it went. Low memory footprint, very fast and
| works with everything I've tried so far. I usually have 40-60 tabs open
| at any one time. I'd be interested to hear what others think.
|

I use PM for most things, with script, frames,
coookies, etc disabled. When I need to enable script
I use FF with NoScript and allow session cookies
and referrer. They're basically the same thing, so
all the extensions are the same. I mainly use XP
so I have PM 24. I'm also using FF 36. I don't know
why people think they have to enable that crazy
FF updating schedule. If sites complain I just change
the userAgent. (I think it currently says FF 45.)

I like that I can have two copies of basically the
same browser and switch back and forth. I downloaded
SeaMonkey recently but don't know if there's any
reason to learn that one. I used K-Meleon for a long
time, as a lightweight, more user-friendly branch of
FF. But then KM got abandoned. It recently got
started up again and I installed it, but haven't got
around to trying it out. Unlike PM, it's more customized
away from FF, so it's not an instant transition.

I find both PM and FF work very well, but I've never
enabled auto-updating and I'm familiar with about:config.
Most of the people in the FF group complaining usually start
out with, "I installed the brand new version and now..."

I'd never install the brand new version of *anything*,
including Windows service packs, unless I desperately
need a new feature. There are often rough edges. With
FF, in particular, I don't worry so much about bugs as
broken functionality. I'm tired of needing to get more
extensions for every FF update that removes something
useful. I currently have extensions for privacy, to
replace the status bar, to replace javascript settings,
to fix broken UI details, to restore View Source, and to
get rid of tabs.

One PM glitch: I just built a new Win7-64 box and
installed the latest PM, along with FF. For some reason
PM won't load a webpage. Very odd. But I'm guessing
it's probably some obvious glitch that I've overlooked.
I just haven't got around to figuring it out.



I've been using FireFox for a while, but I've had Pale Moon on my list
of software I wanted to try. Mike Tomlinson's message reminded me
about it, and having some free time today, I installed it and spent
some time configuring it.

So far I like it a lot. I have only two related gripes:

1. the FireFox add-on "Open Bookmarks in New Tab" doesn't work with
it. As far as I'm concerned, that should be a default in all browsers,
but it isn't.

2. When I type a URL, it too opens over the current tab. I would also
like that to open in a new tab, which I also think should be the
default.

I've looked for another setting or add-on that does these, but I
haven't found anything. Do you or Mike, or anyone else here, know of a
way to do these?

Yes, I know I can click the + before entering a URL or clicking a
bookmark, but I'd much rather not have to remember to do that.
  #42  
Old February 21st 17, 03:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Monty
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:46:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:17:43 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote

| Currently trying Pale Moon which is based on the same Mozilla code as
| Firefox with a lot of the bloat and crap chopped out, and this is
| looking good so far. Imported my bookmarks from Firefox, installed
| uBlock Origin, and off it went. Low memory footprint, very fast and
| works with everything I've tried so far. I usually have 40-60 tabs open
| at any one time. I'd be interested to hear what others think.
|

I use PM for most things, with script, frames,
coookies, etc disabled. When I need to enable script
I use FF with NoScript and allow session cookies
and referrer. They're basically the same thing, so
all the extensions are the same. I mainly use XP
so I have PM 24. I'm also using FF 36. I don't know
why people think they have to enable that crazy
FF updating schedule. If sites complain I just change
the userAgent. (I think it currently says FF 45.)

I like that I can have two copies of basically the
same browser and switch back and forth. I downloaded
SeaMonkey recently but don't know if there's any
reason to learn that one. I used K-Meleon for a long
time, as a lightweight, more user-friendly branch of
FF. But then KM got abandoned. It recently got
started up again and I installed it, but haven't got
around to trying it out. Unlike PM, it's more customized
away from FF, so it's not an instant transition.

I find both PM and FF work very well, but I've never
enabled auto-updating and I'm familiar with about:config.
Most of the people in the FF group complaining usually start
out with, "I installed the brand new version and now..."

I'd never install the brand new version of *anything*,
including Windows service packs, unless I desperately
need a new feature. There are often rough edges. With
FF, in particular, I don't worry so much about bugs as
broken functionality. I'm tired of needing to get more
extensions for every FF update that removes something
useful. I currently have extensions for privacy, to
replace the status bar, to replace javascript settings,
to fix broken UI details, to restore View Source, and to
get rid of tabs.

One PM glitch: I just built a new Win7-64 box and
installed the latest PM, along with FF. For some reason
PM won't load a webpage. Very odd. But I'm guessing
it's probably some obvious glitch that I've overlooked.
I just haven't got around to figuring it out.



I've been using FireFox for a while, but I've had Pale Moon on my list
of software I wanted to try. Mike Tomlinson's message reminded me
about it, and having some free time today, I installed it and spent
some time configuring it.

So far I like it a lot. I have only two related gripes:

1. the FireFox add-on "Open Bookmarks in New Tab" doesn't work with
it. As far as I'm concerned, that should be a default in all browsers,
but it isn't.


Right-click on the bookmark and select "Open in a New Tab".

There may be more info later! (if I can find the time)

  #43  
Old February 21st 17, 03:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Ken Blake" wrote


So far I like it a lot. I have only two related gripes:

1. the FireFox add-on "Open Bookmarks in New Tab" doesn't work with
it. As far as I'm concerned, that should be a default in all browsers,
but it isn't.

2. When I type a URL, it too opens over the current tab. I would also
like that to open in a new tab, which I also think should be the
default.

I've looked for another setting or add-on that does these, but I
haven't found anything. Do you or Mike, or anyone else here, know of a
way to do these?


I'm not the best person to ask for this. I dislike tabs
and use an add-on to prevent the tab bar showing at all.
I'm also using PM 24.7. When I want a new window I
use right-click - Open in New Window.

But for what it's worth...

Once I undid my tab protections I went here and downloaded
the older version of Open Bookmarks In New Tab:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...-tab/versions/

Version .1 (It's gone to v. 1 and v. 2 in the past year,
but those are all for FF 38 or later.)
I don't know exactly how the versions line up
between PM and FF. As you probably know, there
are various breaks in compatibility with extensions
and versions. But the older .1 version worked for
me in PM 24 to make bookmarks open in a new tab.
It did not work to make typed URLs in the location bar
open in a new tab. They still opened in the active tab.


  #44  
Old February 21st 17, 04:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:39:01 +1100, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:46:53 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:17:43 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Mike Tomlinson" wrote

| Currently trying Pale Moon which is based on the same Mozilla code as
| Firefox with a lot of the bloat and crap chopped out, and this is
| looking good so far. Imported my bookmarks from Firefox, installed
| uBlock Origin, and off it went. Low memory footprint, very fast and
| works with everything I've tried so far. I usually have 40-60 tabs open
| at any one time. I'd be interested to hear what others think.
|

I use PM for most things, with script, frames,
coookies, etc disabled. When I need to enable script
I use FF with NoScript and allow session cookies
and referrer. They're basically the same thing, so
all the extensions are the same. I mainly use XP
so I have PM 24. I'm also using FF 36. I don't know
why people think they have to enable that crazy
FF updating schedule. If sites complain I just change
the userAgent. (I think it currently says FF 45.)

I like that I can have two copies of basically the
same browser and switch back and forth. I downloaded
SeaMonkey recently but don't know if there's any
reason to learn that one. I used K-Meleon for a long
time, as a lightweight, more user-friendly branch of
FF. But then KM got abandoned. It recently got
started up again and I installed it, but haven't got
around to trying it out. Unlike PM, it's more customized
away from FF, so it's not an instant transition.

I find both PM and FF work very well, but I've never
enabled auto-updating and I'm familiar with about:config.
Most of the people in the FF group complaining usually start
out with, "I installed the brand new version and now..."

I'd never install the brand new version of *anything*,
including Windows service packs, unless I desperately
need a new feature. There are often rough edges. With
FF, in particular, I don't worry so much about bugs as
broken functionality. I'm tired of needing to get more
extensions for every FF update that removes something
useful. I currently have extensions for privacy, to
replace the status bar, to replace javascript settings,
to fix broken UI details, to restore View Source, and to
get rid of tabs.

One PM glitch: I just built a new Win7-64 box and
installed the latest PM, along with FF. For some reason
PM won't load a webpage. Very odd. But I'm guessing
it's probably some obvious glitch that I've overlooked.
I just haven't got around to figuring it out.



I've been using FireFox for a while, but I've had Pale Moon on my list
of software I wanted to try. Mike Tomlinson's message reminded me
about it, and having some free time today, I installed it and spent
some time configuring it.

So far I like it a lot. I have only two related gripes:

1. the FireFox add-on "Open Bookmarks in New Tab" doesn't work with
it. As far as I'm concerned, that should be a default in all browsers,
but it isn't.


Right-click on the bookmark and select "Open in a New Tab".



Yes, thanks. I knew I could do that, but I still wish I didn't have to
remember to do something special; I would like to just left-click the
bookmark.

Still, it's probably a little better than clicking the +, then the
bookmark.



There may be more info later! (if I can find the time)



Thanks again. If you can and can find something, Ids appreciate it.
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Old February 21st 17, 04:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 21:59:16 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Ken Blake" wrote


So far I like it a lot. I have only two related gripes:

1. the FireFox add-on "Open Bookmarks in New Tab" doesn't work with
it. As far as I'm concerned, that should be a default in all browsers,
but it isn't.

2. When I type a URL, it too opens over the current tab. I would also
like that to open in a new tab, which I also think should be the
default.

I've looked for another setting or add-on that does these, but I
haven't found anything. Do you or Mike, or anyone else here, know of a
way to do these?


I'm not the best person to ask for this. I dislike tabs
and use an add-on to prevent the tab bar showing at all.
I'm also using PM 24.7. When I want a new window I
use right-click - Open in New Window.

But for what it's worth...

Once I undid my tab protections I went here and downloaded
the older version of Open Bookmarks In New Tab:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...-tab/versions/

Version .1 (It's gone to v. 1 and v. 2 in the past year,
but those are all for FF 38 or later.)
I don't know exactly how the versions line up
between PM and FF. As you probably know, there
are various breaks in compatibility with extensions
and versions. But the older .1 version worked for
me in PM 24 to make bookmarks open in a new tab.



Thanks very much. I just went there and downoaded the .1 version. Yes,
it works fine.


It did not work to make typed URLs in the location bar
open in a new tab. They still opened in the active tab.



Alas. That's my only remaining problem. If I can solve that one, I'll
probably stick with Pale Moon.

Ken
 




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