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david brooks (Devon) The stalker at work....
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:17:43 +0000
"David B." wrote: On 25/02/2017 10:48, John Corliss wrote: R wrote: John Corliss wrote: That is, unless it can't block W10's hard-coded IPs and ports. Otherwise, it even works with XP: http://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/22/net-disabler/ Program is he http://www.sordum.org/9660/net-disab...8+%28Sordum%29 or: http://tinyurl.com/zuz3k5p At the risk of starting a firestorm Pretty obvious after reading your post that this is *exactly* what you intended. - has anyone any evidence that shows MS is actually compromising the security of your systems or your privacy that would require actions to stop the transmission of system status? I have a pfSense firewall at one of my clients as well as WireShark setup on a test system and have trapped the outgoing traffic (encrypted) to specific locations with Ireland, Hong Kong and Amsterdam being some of the MS server locations as I recall. I believe my total IP list was near 20 IP addresses. I did this months back when I was testing this myth of security/privacy being compromised. Amount of proof you've provided that it's a myth = 0 (zero). The frequency can be reduced by disabling specific settings or uninstalling apps but blocking the IP's only made the phoning home attempts increase since it's not able to get the handshake done with the server. Something that would only go out perhaps once a day was now forced to keep trying many times per minute using up system resources. You can turn off most of the reporting but then you lose the capabilities of some of the useful apps. Useful only in your opinion. People's needs vary. To violate every W10 end user's privacy on the off chance that they may use such "apps" (the correct word being _APPLICATIONS_ on a computer or maybe utilities, not "apps"*) is just plain wrong. By default, telemetry should be turned off and then if a person uses any such "app", the first time they start it is the time to ask if they want to give up privacy, and only enough to serve the needs of that "app". To do otherwise (as M$ is indeed doing) gives away Microsoft's true, duplicitous character. *From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/app#Noun , the following: app (plural apps) 1. (computing, mobile telephony) An application (program), especially a small one designed for a mobile device. 2. (informal) appetizer 3. (military) application (not a computer program) 4. (sports) an appearance in a game (e.g., a player with 10 apps in a season played 10 times) I certainly understand the concern but I have yet to read a single report from any security firm or on-line blogs (Krebs on Security, Paul Thurrott, Windows Secrets, etc..) that say privacy or personal data was being compromised. Privacy and personal data are compromised the second they're violated by telemetry. Once such information gathering occurs, you have no control over how that data is used. You have to take the word of M$ and that's the issue here. Do you, or do you not, believe the word of a corporation which (IMO) bailed itself out of monopoly charges by (again, IMO) making an agreement with the United Stated Department of "Justice"? https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/ The original version of that document was 45 pages long. No, M$ has no credibility IMO. They're motivated by profit and backed by the government. Since I couldn't unencrypt the data stream going out, I can't say what the data is but if you're using Cortana, then yes, what you say is being sent to their servers but it is encrypted. Then ask yourself: why would it NEED to be encrypted if it doesn't contain anything which would be of concern? Not being a fan boy for Windows but in my limited experience I can't think of how any company that makes an operating system (OS, Android, Chrome, Linux or whatever) can not make updates and patches without knowing what problems need fixing. Perhaps you meant "can (remove the word "not") make updates and patches without knowing what problems need fixing." As for that, there's a little thing called "customer feedback", which M$ is notorious for ignoring rather than encouraging. If they stopped the phoning home, within 3 months everyone would be screaming at them because they didn't get an update to a zero-day attack or some bug fix. Yes, that's the excuse they use for their telemetry all right. Funny how earlier version of Windows without telemetry managed to avoid that kind of thing. Besides, this doesn't have anything to do with what they may or may not be actually using the data for. You would have to be able to prove that one of the two largest software companies in America doesn't cooperate with the NSA, CIA, FBI, Department of Fatherland Security, and the rest of the alphabet soup police state agencies running amok in the United States. But you can't do that. Admittedly, I can't prove that they do either, but gambling that they don't is sheer lunacy. Yes Microsoft keeps the data just as Apple and Google do. That, that is exactly what's in question here. *Do* they keep it _OR_ (far more likely) do they share it with the government? If you can't accept the OS license or their privacy policies then use something else. *groan* Old snarks like that old one reflect poorly on you. Next you'll drag out the old "tin hat" one or start calling people Nazis. You know perfectly well how limited the options are out there. That's like saying to a starving person as you hand them a moldy slice of bread that you just ****ed on, "Don't like it? Then go eat something else!" Oh yeah - anyone use a phone provider that doesn't keep a record of your phone calls and just exactly how long do they keep your digital phone call metadata? Personally, I don't use cell phones. Never have even owned one. And never will. However, I (along with increasingly more and more people) am very, very careful what I say on the phone. How about that shopping card you use at the grocery stores - use it and they know everything you purchased. Only if a person is stupid enough to provide them with their information when they get the card. Personally, I never use shopping cards *precisely* because they allow tracking of purchases. How about your credit cards....? Don't use them, never have. Never have even had one. Never have applied for one either. Don't even have a checking account, never have. Never will. Downsides and benefits to all of those. For lazy sheeple. And all those *free* software apps we use. How many of those are phoning home after they have scrapped "scraped". your system of data used to monetize that free software? And how, exactly, would they be monetizing that free software by gathering and collecting info? That's what firewalls are for. And if they operate at a kernal level (like MS's programming for hard coded ports and IP addresses), then they get tagged as malware by any number of anti-malware services and programs. If you have any real evidence, please post back with the proof. Evidence? Evidence of what? Oh, that's right: "- has anyone any evidence that shows MS is actually compromising the security of your systems or your privacy that would require actions to stop the transmission of system status?" No, YOU post back with any proof that M$ keeps the data they gather secure, doesn't share it with Amerika's government. Note: like any other large corporation, M$'s word doesn't hold water. One more thing.... There's an old argument concerning the police state out there which goes: "If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to worry about." There are numerous claims out on the internet that there's no effective argument against that statement. Well I have one. You may not have anything to hide right now, but there's no guarantee that in the future you won't. Especially as freedom grows more and more eroded by excessive lawmaking. Thank you for giving us an insight into your character and philosophy, John. I don't know WHY you worry so much, especially as everything about you is already freely available on-line! https://www.mylife.com/john-corliss/john_corliss You have a great day! :-) |
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Brilliant investigator!
On 25/02/2017 12:02, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:17:43 +0000 "David B." wrote: On 25/02/2017 10:48, John Corliss wrote: R wrote: John Corliss wrote: That is, unless it can't block W10's hard-coded IPs and ports. Otherwise, it even works with XP: http://www.ghacks.net/2017/02/22/net-disabler/ Program is he http://www.sordum.org/9660/net-disab...8+%28Sordum%29 or: http://tinyurl.com/zuz3k5p At the risk of starting a firestorm Pretty obvious after reading your post that this is *exactly* what you intended. - has anyone any evidence that shows MS is actually compromising the security of your systems or your privacy that would require actions to stop the transmission of system status? I have a pfSense firewall at one of my clients as well as WireShark setup on a test system and have trapped the outgoing traffic (encrypted) to specific locations with Ireland, Hong Kong and Amsterdam being some of the MS server locations as I recall. I believe my total IP list was near 20 IP addresses. I did this months back when I was testing this myth of security/privacy being compromised. Amount of proof you've provided that it's a myth = 0 (zero). The frequency can be reduced by disabling specific settings or uninstalling apps but blocking the IP's only made the phoning home attempts increase since it's not able to get the handshake done with the server. Something that would only go out perhaps once a day was now forced to keep trying many times per minute using up system resources. You can turn off most of the reporting but then you lose the capabilities of some of the useful apps. Useful only in your opinion. People's needs vary. To violate every W10 end user's privacy on the off chance that they may use such "apps" (the correct word being _APPLICATIONS_ on a computer or maybe utilities, not "apps"*) is just plain wrong. By default, telemetry should be turned off and then if a person uses any such "app", the first time they start it is the time to ask if they want to give up privacy, and only enough to serve the needs of that "app". To do otherwise (as M$ is indeed doing) gives away Microsoft's true, duplicitous character. *From https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/app#Noun , the following: app (plural apps) 1. (computing, mobile telephony) An application (program), especially a small one designed for a mobile device. 2. (informal) appetizer 3. (military) application (not a computer program) 4. (sports) an appearance in a game (e.g., a player with 10 apps in a season played 10 times) I certainly understand the concern but I have yet to read a single report from any security firm or on-line blogs (Krebs on Security, Paul Thurrott, Windows Secrets, etc..) that say privacy or personal data was being compromised. Privacy and personal data are compromised the second they're violated by telemetry. Once such information gathering occurs, you have no control over how that data is used. You have to take the word of M$ and that's the issue here. Do you, or do you not, believe the word of a corporation which (IMO) bailed itself out of monopoly charges by (again, IMO) making an agreement with the United Stated Department of "Justice"? https://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/ The original version of that document was 45 pages long. No, M$ has no credibility IMO. They're motivated by profit and backed by the government. Since I couldn't unencrypt the data stream going out, I can't say what the data is but if you're using Cortana, then yes, what you say is being sent to their servers but it is encrypted. Then ask yourself: why would it NEED to be encrypted if it doesn't contain anything which would be of concern? Not being a fan boy for Windows but in my limited experience I can't think of how any company that makes an operating system (OS, Android, Chrome, Linux or whatever) can not make updates and patches without knowing what problems need fixing. Perhaps you meant "can (remove the word "not") make updates and patches without knowing what problems need fixing." As for that, there's a little thing called "customer feedback", which M$ is notorious for ignoring rather than encouraging. If they stopped the phoning home, within 3 months everyone would be screaming at them because they didn't get an update to a zero-day attack or some bug fix. Yes, that's the excuse they use for their telemetry all right. Funny how earlier version of Windows without telemetry managed to avoid that kind of thing. Besides, this doesn't have anything to do with what they may or may not be actually using the data for. You would have to be able to prove that one of the two largest software companies in America doesn't cooperate with the NSA, CIA, FBI, Department of Fatherland Security, and the rest of the alphabet soup police state agencies running amok in the United States. But you can't do that. Admittedly, I can't prove that they do either, but gambling that they don't is sheer lunacy. Yes Microsoft keeps the data just as Apple and Google do. That, that is exactly what's in question here. *Do* they keep it _OR_ (far more likely) do they share it with the government? If you can't accept the OS license or their privacy policies then use something else. *groan* Old snarks like that old one reflect poorly on you. Next you'll drag out the old "tin hat" one or start calling people Nazis. You know perfectly well how limited the options are out there. That's like saying to a starving person as you hand them a moldy slice of bread that you just ****ed on, "Don't like it? Then go eat something else!" Oh yeah - anyone use a phone provider that doesn't keep a record of your phone calls and just exactly how long do they keep your digital phone call metadata? Personally, I don't use cell phones. Never have even owned one. And never will. However, I (along with increasingly more and more people) am very, very careful what I say on the phone. How about that shopping card you use at the grocery stores - use it and they know everything you purchased. Only if a person is stupid enough to provide them with their information when they get the card. Personally, I never use shopping cards *precisely* because they allow tracking of purchases. How about your credit cards....? Don't use them, never have. Never have even had one. Never have applied for one either. Don't even have a checking account, never have. Never will. Downsides and benefits to all of those. For lazy sheeple. And all those *free* software apps we use. How many of those are phoning home after they have scrapped "scraped". your system of data used to monetize that free software? And how, exactly, would they be monetizing that free software by gathering and collecting info? That's what firewalls are for. And if they operate at a kernal level (like MS's programming for hard coded ports and IP addresses), then they get tagged as malware by any number of anti-malware services and programs. If you have any real evidence, please post back with the proof. Evidence? Evidence of what? Oh, that's right: "- has anyone any evidence that shows MS is actually compromising the security of your systems or your privacy that would require actions to stop the transmission of system status?" No, YOU post back with any proof that M$ keeps the data they gather secure, doesn't share it with Amerika's government. Note: like any other large corporation, M$'s word doesn't hold water. One more thing.... There's an old argument concerning the police state out there which goes: "If you don't have anything to hide, then you don't have anything to worry about." There are numerous claims out on the internet that there's no effective argument against that statement. Well I have one. You may not have anything to hide right now, but there's no guarantee that in the future you won't. Especially as freedom grows more and more eroded by excessive lawmaking. Thank you for giving us an insight into your character and philosophy, John. I don't know WHY you worry so much, especially as everything about you is already freely available on-line! https://www.mylife.com/john-corliss/john_corliss You have a great day! :-) Not really. John was easy to find. ;-) -- "Do something wonderful, people may imitate it." (Albert Schweitzer) |
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david brooks (Devon) The stalker at work....
On Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:49:27 +0000
"David B." wrote: From: "David B." Subject: Brilliant investigator! Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:49:27 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 Newsgroups: alt.comp.freeware,alt.politics.scorched-earth,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general Organization: blocknews - www.blocknews.net snip horse **** from the stalker. |
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Brilliant investigator!
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