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  #46  
Old November 7th 14, 04:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 07/11/14 13:50, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:48:51 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 07/11/14 05:53, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:15:24 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 05/11/14 01:37, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 04/11/2014 4:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
HS wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Surprised they haven't dropped 32bit version of Win10.

In my office I have one DOS program that I use.
I therefore need 32 bit version.

DOSbox or DOSemu?

Exactly. I can't imagine that there is still a need for there to be
integrated DOS support in light of the existence of free software to
create virtual environments and then run FreeDOS as well as DOS
emulation software which is 100% compatible.

I especially don't think that it makes sense for Microsoft to cater to
these legacy users and compromise on new features to please them. If
you still need to run DOS applications, either run an older version of
Windows which runs them properly or do the right thing and run them
within an emulator of some sort.


Yes, I'm all for gutting an OS, until there's nothing left.
"All I really need to do all day, is update my Facebook page."
(Plays with long blonde trusses and chews bubblegum.) /s
Paul

Preference should be given to starting afresh, rather than the gutting
you suggest. Then again, this would be considered to much work and
trouble for the measly human mentality.

1. Have you noticed that starting afresh often leaves one with an OS
sorely in need of gutting?

2. Did you notice that Paul was being sarcastic?

Have you ever bothered to consider and realize that that which you
postulate does not have to be so?

Why, I ask and with all due respect, are humans so brain dead and base
their conclusions on presumptiveness from the negative?


Well, you could start by looking to yourself for answers.


That's an extraordinarily presumptuous statement you just made, but what
I've come to expect from the closed-mindedness and dogmatic attitude of
humans. The first principle of life that every human has of necessity to
learn, as I've often repeated, "Truth is not subservient to human
concept." This applies similarly to technology and science, as they
contain an array of absolute human garbage within them.
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  #47  
Old November 7th 14, 04:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Gene E. Bloch wrote on 11/6/2014 9:51 PM:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:47:19 -0600, John Aldred wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred
from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a
while :-)

Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.

Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.


Sometimes you get a pleasant surprise. I have a 20 year old HP Laserjet
4p connected to a parallel port card on a modern desktop machine. That
works on both Win 8.1 and Win 10 TP!


Wow...

Pleasant indeed, and a *total* surprise!


One thing about HP I always thought they had great driver support. Not sure why but way back from win95+ my friends
and I used to constantly say "buy HP".


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Old November 7th 14, 12:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Big_Al" wrote in message
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Gene E. Bloch wrote on 11/6/2014 9:51 PM:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:47:19 -0600, John Aldred wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local
login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials
transferred
from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a
while :-)

Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.

Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.

Sometimes you get a pleasant surprise. I have a 20 year old HP Laserjet
4p connected to a parallel port card on a modern desktop machine. That
works on both Win 8.1 and Win 10 TP!


Wow...

Pleasant indeed, and a *total* surprise!


One thing about HP I always thought they had great driver support. Not
sure why but way back from win95+ my friends
and I used to constantly say "buy HP".


We had nothing but HP laser and ink jet printers, and had few problems with
them. I've had mostly HP at home, and still think they're top of the list
for ease of use, dependability, and driver/service support (although I
haven't used the service side in years). One thing I like about their ink
jet printers is that the cartridge never seems to dry out from non-use. My
SO has an Epson that works fine and gives great printing, but if she goes
more than a week or two without printing something, she gets a message that
the cartridge is low on ink. Run the alignment test, and that fixes it. This
is her 3rd Epson, and they've all done the same thing.

But back to WinTP. I haven't had any success yet in getting it to recognize
my HP DJ3050, but I think it's because I'm running WinTP in a VM, and the
printer is a wireless networked one. IIRC, I'll have to connect it by USB
for the initial setup. Then the fun would be to figure out which of the
dozen USB ports on my PC are the ones recognized in the VM :-) Device
Manager shows 8 ports total, but doesn't show anything connected to any of
them, which is not accurate. I'll probably have to configure them in the VM
before anything shows up in WinTP.
--
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  #49  
Old November 7th 14, 01:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"Big_Al" wrote in message
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Gene E. Bloch wrote on 11/6/2014 9:51 PM:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:47:19 -0600, John Aldred wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local
login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials
transferred
from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a
while :-)

Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.

Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.

Sometimes you get a pleasant surprise. I have a 20 year old HP Laserjet
4p connected to a parallel port card on a modern desktop machine. That
works on both Win 8.1 and Win 10 TP!

Wow...

Pleasant indeed, and a *total* surprise!


One thing about HP I always thought they had great driver support. Not
sure why but way back from win95+ my friends
and I used to constantly say "buy HP".


We had nothing but HP laser and ink jet printers, and had few problems
with them. I've had mostly HP at home, and still think they're top of the
list for ease of use, dependability, and driver/service support (although
I haven't used the service side in years). One thing I like about their
ink jet printers is that the cartridge never seems to dry out from
non-use. My SO has an Epson that works fine and gives great printing, but
if she goes more than a week or two without printing something, she gets a
message that the cartridge is low on ink. Run the alignment test, and that
fixes it. This is her 3rd Epson, and they've all done the same thing.

But back to WinTP. I haven't had any success yet in getting it to
recognize my HP DJ3050, but I think it's because I'm running WinTP in a
VM, and the printer is a wireless networked one. IIRC, I'll have to
connect it by USB for the initial setup. Then the fun would be to figure
out which of the dozen USB ports on my PC are the ones recognized in the
VM :-) Device Manager shows 8 ports total, but doesn't show anything
connected to any of them, which is not accurate. I'll probably have to
configure them in the VM before anything shows up in WinTP.


Well, just for grins and giggles, I thought I'd try to add the printer using
the IP address, and seeing if WinTP finds it on the network (a regular
"Search for Devices" returned nada). Lo and behold, WinTP found it, and
installed its own drivers. I'm pleasantly surprised that WinTP is that
intuitive. The printer works fine with the native WinTP drivers. I'm sure
the scanner part won't work, but I think that's part of the HP driver
package anyhow. The scanner's not that important since I mainly use that
part of the printer for copying anyhow, but if I feel ambitious later on, I
might give it try.

I have another laptop sitting in the closet gathering dust (a Gateway
M6850-FX with Win7HP x64 installed). I might drag that out and install WinTP
on it to see how it does. It would almost have to be better than running it
in a VM, although once it's fully loaded, it runs pretty well there.
--
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Old November 7th 14, 01:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"SC Tom" wrote in message ...


"Big_Al" wrote in message
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Gene E. Bloch wrote on 11/6/2014 9:51 PM:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 17:47:19 -0600, John Aldred wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local
login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials
transferred
from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a
while :-)

Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.

Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he
might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.

Sometimes you get a pleasant surprise. I have a 20 year old HP
Laserjet
4p connected to a parallel port card on a modern desktop machine. That
works on both Win 8.1 and Win 10 TP!

Wow...

Pleasant indeed, and a *total* surprise!


One thing about HP I always thought they had great driver support. Not
sure why but way back from win95+ my friends
and I used to constantly say "buy HP".


We had nothing but HP laser and ink jet printers, and had few problems
with them. I've had mostly HP at home, and still think they're top of the
list for ease of use, dependability, and driver/service support (although
I haven't used the service side in years). One thing I like about their
ink jet printers is that the cartridge never seems to dry out from
non-use. My SO has an Epson that works fine and gives great printing, but
if she goes more than a week or two without printing something, she gets
a message that the cartridge is low on ink. Run the alignment test, and
that fixes it. This is her 3rd Epson, and they've all done the same
thing.

But back to WinTP. I haven't had any success yet in getting it to
recognize my HP DJ3050, but I think it's because I'm running WinTP in a
VM, and the printer is a wireless networked one. IIRC, I'll have to
connect it by USB for the initial setup. Then the fun would be to figure
out which of the dozen USB ports on my PC are the ones recognized in the
VM :-) Device Manager shows 8 ports total, but doesn't show anything
connected to any of them, which is not accurate. I'll probably have to
configure them in the VM before anything shows up in WinTP.


Well, just for grins and giggles, I thought I'd try to add the printer
using the IP address, and seeing if WinTP finds it on the network (a
regular "Search for Devices" returned nada). Lo and behold, WinTP found
it, and installed its own drivers. I'm pleasantly surprised that WinTP is
that intuitive. The printer works fine with the native WinTP drivers. I'm
sure the scanner part won't work, but I think that's part of the HP driver
package anyhow. The scanner's not that important since I mainly use that
part of the printer for copying anyhow, but if I feel ambitious later on,
I might give it try.

I have another laptop sitting in the closet gathering dust (a Gateway
M6850-FX with Win7HP x64 installed). I might drag that out and install
WinTP on it to see how it does. It would almost have to be better than
running it in a VM, although once it's fully loaded, it runs pretty well
there.


Ok, this is getting a little scary (scary good). After I installed the
printer using the IP address, WinTP went out and automatically installed the
"HP AiO Remote" app from the app store. From this app, I can do everything
the full HP package would allow me to do on my Win8x and Win7 machines, like
scanning, load photo settings, etc. This is getting better all the time :-)

Now it makes me want to install it on a real machine more than ever :-) This
is almost like going from Win3.1 to Win95 LOL!!
--
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  #51  
Old November 7th 14, 01:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/11/2014 11:46 PM, Cyber Trekker wrote:
On 07/11/14 06:17, Bob Henson wrote:
On 06/11/2014 5:10 PM, Cyber Trekker wrote:
On 04/11/14 10:47, John Aldred wrote:
My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently different
from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10.

For heavens sake, I wish everyone would remember it is in its early
stages of development and is really an alpha stage. What do you expect
for such an early build and offering?

Rather than whinging and moaning, as humans tend to so often do, the
more constructive option is to offer suggestions.

From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the official
unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent release of the
WTP, most of those comments with the exception of some are along the
lines of unhelpful whining with a good measure of wanting to stick to
the familiarity of the past.

I can well imagine what most humans would be like if they encountered
extraterrestrial civilizations, as they would in the main try to convert
them to not only the human perspective but to the past methodologies of
the human race they feel more comfortable with. Familiarity often,
insofar as humans are concerned, breeds contempt of the different.
Humans really need to grow up and to expand their minuscule minds.


The main prerequisite for ready acceptance of something new is that it
should be better than it was before - other wise the change is
pointless. Windows 8 and 8.1 did not meet that criterion - by a long
way. I reserve judgement until the later versions of Windows 10 to see
if it falls into the same category. For the desktop user it has a long
way to go.


The main prerequisite, as you put it, is not only for the up-and-coming
version(s) to be better than previous versions, but to hold to the
requisite open mind and not be so stuck in thew past as humans tend to do.

Although Windows 8 and indeed Windows 8.1 have their respective
shortcomings, there also exists the persistent problem of being too
influenced by the past and its methodologies. Many humans do not like
change and are to varying degrees adverse to it. Not every displeasure
with Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 is based entirely on the rational, rather
much to the adherence to the familiar.

I recall the same displeasure of many of the Linux users to the
different paradigmatic representation of the GNOME desktop environment.
That there were obvious shortcomings in the initial releases without
what are now called GNOME extensions, many people were more opposed to
change and a new look and feel instead of those glaring shortcomings.

To be frank, I don't really care all that much for the whingers and
moaners who just don't like change. They are as bad as those who merely
justify change for change's sake.


Up to this point, I'm more or less in agreement.

If only people would put as much time into working with the developers
by imparting positive suggestions, pointing out weaknesses and bugs that
may be found, perchance we'd end up with a vastly superior and more
reliable end product. Realizing, too, that we don't always get what we want


That too is true, and I do so. However for that to be any use, the
developers have to listen and implement those ideas which are good, and,
more to the point, fix the bugs that are found in their previous work
before wandering off on more flights of fancy. Mozilla have always been
notorious for taking precious little notice of what is reported back to
them. The last Thunderbird bug which I considered important enough to
report formally was over two years ago, and it has yet to be even
adopted by anyone, never mind fixed. Informal reporting in the
newsgroups has no effect whatever any more, as the developers can't even
be bothered to read them.

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Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

Wife - a woman who has ceased to be your girlfriend but resents anyone
trying to fill the vacancy.
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Old November 7th 14, 01:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 06/11/2014 10:10 PM, Leala wrote:
On 06-Nov-2014 15:44, Big_Al wrote:
Cyber Trekker wrote on 11/6/2014 12:10 PM:
From the quality of comments I've seen thus far since the
official unveiling of Windows 10 development and the subsequent
release of the WTP, most of those comments with the exception of
some are along the lines of unhelpful whining ....


From this comment, do I infer that you've seen some the the MS
feedback? I for one feel that truly I loaded the product to give
constructive suggestions. Yes, one might call some comments
whining, but saying I prefer a menu that is closer to XP (and I
didn't) is my opinion and not whining (from one view point), that
is if it's said nicely.

But I do have to agree that this is barely off the drawing boards
and months away from final. I'm kinda hoping they release a new
update to see what they may have started changing or fixing
maybe?!



There was an update a while back, the latest build is 9860.


So far, the positive differences aren't visible - but Microsoft tell us
there are umpteen fixes.

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I went for a medical and asked the doctor, "How do I stand?" He said,
"That's what puzzles me too!"
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Old November 7th 14, 08:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:21:15 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 07/11/14 13:50, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:48:51 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 07/11/14 05:53, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 04:15:24 +1100, Cyber Trekker wrote:

On 05/11/14 01:37, Paul wrote:
Silver Slimer wrote:
On 04/11/2014 4:41 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
HS wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Surprised they haven't dropped 32bit version of Win10.

In my office I have one DOS program that I use.
I therefore need 32 bit version.

DOSbox or DOSemu?

Exactly. I can't imagine that there is still a need for there to be
integrated DOS support in light of the existence of free software to
create virtual environments and then run FreeDOS as well as DOS
emulation software which is 100% compatible.

I especially don't think that it makes sense for Microsoft to cater to
these legacy users and compromise on new features to please them. If
you still need to run DOS applications, either run an older version of
Windows which runs them properly or do the right thing and run them
within an emulator of some sort.


Yes, I'm all for gutting an OS, until there's nothing left.
"All I really need to do all day, is update my Facebook page."
(Plays with long blonde trusses and chews bubblegum.) /s
Paul

Preference should be given to starting afresh, rather than the gutting
you suggest. Then again, this would be considered to much work and
trouble for the measly human mentality.

1. Have you noticed that starting afresh often leaves one with an OS
sorely in need of gutting?

2. Did you notice that Paul was being sarcastic?
Have you ever bothered to consider and realize that that which you
postulate does not have to be so?

Why, I ask and with all due respect, are humans so brain dead and base
their conclusions on presumptiveness from the negative?


Well, you could start by looking to yourself for answers.


That's an extraordinarily presumptuous statement you just made, but what
I've come to expect from the closed-mindedness and dogmatic attitude of
humans. The first principle of life that every human has of necessity to
learn, as I've often repeated, "Truth is not subservient to human
concept." This applies similarly to technology and science, as they
contain an array of absolute human garbage within them.


You are amazingly consistent. And self-contradictory - evidently
unconsciously...

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  #54  
Old November 8th 14, 12:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred
from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a
while :-)


Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.


Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.


All set up and working in 2.5 hours, with a glass of whisky for
assistance!
Local account, no password, boot to desktop.
Brother DCP-135C printer used Microsoft built in driver.
Webcam also found a driver automatically.
Installed desktop version of Skype - up and running.
Installed Open Office, Firefox and Flash player
My neighbour seems delighted with his new system :-)
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Old November 8th 14, 12:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:20:57 -0600, John Aldred wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials transferred
from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of mischief for a
while :-)

Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.


Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.


All set up and working in 2.5 hours, with a glass of whisky for
assistance!
Local account, no password, boot to desktop.
Brother DCP-135C printer used Microsoft built in driver.
Webcam also found a driver automatically.
Installed desktop version of Skype - up and running.
Installed Open Office, Firefox and Flash player
My neighbour seems delighted with his new system :-)


Who had the whisky, you or your neighbour, or both? :-)

It's nice that something works out as it ought to...

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Old November 8th 14, 01:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 15:50:09 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 17:20:57 -0600, John Aldred wrote:

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 10:56:11 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 06:18:46 -0500, SC Tom wrote:

I was thinking of the initial set up eg Microsoft account/local
login.
Will his old printer work with 8.1? Getting his materials
transferred from the old XP machine. etc Should keep me out of
mischief for a while :-)

Depends on how old the printer is, make, model, etc. Check the
manufacturer's website and see if they have Win8x drivers listed for
it.

Although Win10 might have a built-in driver, so if he's lucky he might
not need to do that.

I'd be curious to know what happens with the printer.


All set up and working in 2.5 hours, with a glass of whisky for
assistance!
Local account, no password, boot to desktop.
Brother DCP-135C printer used Microsoft built in driver. Webcam also
found a driver automatically.
Installed desktop version of Skype - up and running.
Installed Open Office, Firefox and Flash player My neighbour seems
delighted with his new system :-)


Who had the whisky, you or your neighbour, or both? :-)

It's nice that something works out as it ought to...


Both of course :-)
  #57  
Old November 8th 14, 05:23 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Big_Al wrote:
Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 6:01 PM:





John Aldred wrote:
My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently
different
from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10.

Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change.
Turning
off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point.
Adding additional desktops could be useful.
Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad
press that win 8 received.

Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like
it :-)

What do others think of Microsoft's new offering?

"...winston‫" escreveu wrote ...

Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage.
- relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy

Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM:
I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP build
9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more
then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be
compromised.


"Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ...
IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and
there is an option there.


I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the
shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time
then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as admin.
I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I
need to reboot or run disk cleanup again.

I just looked and my install is only 17G. I don't have Live mail but
that can't add 10G.


Single program Windows Live Mail does not add 10GB.

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Old November 8th 14, 06:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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....winston‫ wrote:
Big_Al wrote:
Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 6:01 PM:





John Aldred wrote:
My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently
different
from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10.

Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change.
Turning
off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point.
Adding additional desktops could be useful.
Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the bad
press that win 8 received.

Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like
it :-)

What do others think of Microsoft's new offering?

"...winston‫" escreveu wrote ...

Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage.
- relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy

Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM:
I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP
build
9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have more
then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be
compromised.


"Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ...
IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and
there is an option there.

I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the
shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time
then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as admin.
I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I
need to reboot or run disk cleanup again.

I just looked and my install is only 17G. I don't have Live mail but
that can't add 10G.


Single program Windows Live Mail does not add 10GB.


I was shocked at the size of pagefile and hiberfile on
the Win10 test machine. Have a look. I couldn't figure
out why my Macrium backup was so small, and it's because
Macrium didn't back up pagefile and hiberfile when doing the
backup.

Paul
  #59  
Old November 8th 14, 06:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:
...winston‫ wrote:
Big_Al wrote:
Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 6:01 PM:





John Aldred wrote:
My own impression of Win 10 TP is that it is not sufficiently
different
from 8.1 to merit skipping a version number and going to 10.

Bringing back the Start Menu to the desktop is a welcome change.
Turning
off the hot corner for the Charms Bar is a debatable point.
Adding additional desktops could be useful.
Overall I don't see these changes as sufficient to shake off the
bad
press that win 8 received.

Personally I didn't have a problem with 8.1 - in fact I rather like
it :-)

What do others think of Microsoft's new offering?

"...winston‫" escreveu wrote ...

Too early to tell. W10TP release is still in the embryonic stage.
- relative to Win8.1 - version 10TP is 8.1 with some eye candy

Malaka wrote on 11/4/2014 5:31 PM:
I had one thing to say relatively to size in disk. I installed TP
build
9841 and Windows Live Mail then updated to build 9860, now I have
more
then 27 GB of used space. If I had a 32 GB tablet, I would be
compromised.


"Big_Al" escreveu na mensagem ...
IIRC You can purge windows updates. Run disk cleanup as admin and
there is an option there.

I trie to run disk cleanup as administrator but didn't find the
shortcut, so I searched and ran disk cleanup from search bar one time
then did clean system files. I supose it's the same as running as
admin.
I had 23 GB used space, after disk cleanup I have more 4 GB. Maybe I
need to reboot or run disk cleanup again.

I just looked and my install is only 17G. I don't have Live mail but
that can't add 10G.


Single program Windows Live Mail does not add 10GB.


I was shocked at the size of pagefile and hiberfile on
the Win10 test machine. Have a look. I couldn't figure
out why my Macrium backup was so small, and it's because
Macrium didn't back up pagefile and hiberfile when doing the
backup.

Paul

That combo here on an i3 with 4GB RAM (W10TP but not a VM) is just shy
of 10 GB

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Old November 8th 14, 10:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andy Burns[_3_]
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Default Impressions of Win 10 TP so far

Big_Al wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

John Aldred wrote:

I have a 20 year old HP Laserjet 4p connected to a parallel port
card on a modern desktop machine. That works on both Win 8.1 and
Win 10 TP!


Pleasant indeed, and a *total* surprise!


One thing about HP I always thought they had great driver support.


They used Win7 as an excuse to drop support for several models newer
than an LJ4, ok if tried, you could get several of them to work by
forcing use of a similar driver ...

 




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