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Old October 19th 06, 11:47 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
jay
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Default Clone or Image from SCSI to IDE?

I want to move my XP Pro OS sys off the SCSI drive to the new IDE
drive.

I have Drive Image 7 but it's "copy to a new HD" or "Restore Image"
doesn't give me a boot-able scenario and end up wiping the new drive
clean and going back my old SCSI drive and waiting to try something
else.
Also:
After both of the above and when it didn't boot, I tried the fixboot,
fixmbr and bootcfg /rebuild techniques but ...No go.

MTIA
Jay

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Old October 20th 06, 03:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Harry Ohrn MS MVP
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Default Clone or Image from SCSI to IDE?

Once you have completed the Drive-Drive copy from the SCSI to the IDE drive
have you done the following
1) disconnect the SCSI drive
2) ensured the new IDE is set to Master on the Primary Controller cable
3) ensured the boot order in the BIOS has the IDE hard drive listed as
second after the CD-Rom device

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Harry Ohrn MS MVP [Shell\User]


"jay" wrote in message
oups.com...
I want to move my XP Pro OS sys off the SCSI drive to the new IDE
drive.

I have Drive Image 7 but it's "copy to a new HD" or "Restore Image"
doesn't give me a boot-able scenario and end up wiping the new drive
clean and going back my old SCSI drive and waiting to try something
else.
Also:
After both of the above and when it didn't boot, I tried the fixboot,
fixmbr and bootcfg /rebuild techniques but ...No go.

MTIA
Jay



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Old October 20th 06, 04:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Bob Harris
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Default Clone or Image from SCSI to IDE?

I have not used Drive Image 7, but I have used GHOST (up to 2003) and True
Image (up to 8) for similar functions.

Be aware that there is a difference between cloning a drive and making a
backup of a parition, even if the drive contains only one partition. The
"clone" option includes the master boot record, whereas the partition image
option usually does not. Further, a backup is usually a single compressed
file and will never be bootable. You need to transfers all files to the new
drive, as files. In your case you definitely want a "clone" option, not a
simple "backup/restore" option.

Of course, a requirement for a successful cloning option is that the cloning
software can "see" both hard drives. As I recall, Drive Image 7 runs from
within windows, so it should see anything that windows sees. So, does
windows see the new disk? Even if it is unformatted, the disk management
tool of XP should see it as "raw". If XP can't see it, then a program
running under XP is unlikely to see it. Further, XP does not contain native
support for some types of disk controllers, like SATA and RAID. If the IDE
disk is really SATA (thus on an SATA controller), or if it is really plain
IDE, but attached to a RAID controller, then you will need to provide XP
with drivers for that controller. Such drivers some from the motherboard
maker (or PC maker), not the hard drive maker.

Caution: Never attach two bootable disks to a computer, then turn it on.
This can lead to confusion at best, and errors at worst. Once the cloning
is done, power off and remove the SCSI disk, or at least detact its power
and/or signal cable. Also, be sure to attach the IDE disk to the primary
position on the first IDE controller and set the disk to master. Then,
reboot.

As far as booting goes, a successful clone, should also copy the boot
record. But, in case it does not, you can rewrite the boot record using the
XP recovery console, run from the XP CD, to do a FIXMBR. Just be very
careful to avoid re-writing the boot record on your currently working disk !
For safety, do not issue this command while the SCSI disk is attached.

A quirk of XP is a file called BOOT.INI. This file lives on the root level
of C:\ and directs the XP loader as to where to find the Windows operating
system. Unfortunately, the information in this file is usually different
for SCSI and IDE drives. This file can be re-made using the recovery
console via the BOOTCFG command. For safety, do not issue this command
while the SCSI disk is attached.

If you do not have an XP CD, the recovery console is availble free from
Microsoft of what they call XP setup disks. These are a multi-floppy set
that is intended to prepare systems for XP installation.

If none of this helps, try to perform the cloning outside of windows, such
as from a bootable floppy ot bootable CD. I do not know whether Drive Image
7 supports this sort of thing. Older versions of GHOST and True Image
certainly do.


You might start by temporarily insalling the IDE drive
"jay" wrote in message
oups.com...
I want to move my XP Pro OS sys off the SCSI drive to the new IDE
drive.

I have Drive Image 7 but it's "copy to a new HD" or "Restore Image"
doesn't give me a boot-able scenario and end up wiping the new drive
clean and going back my old SCSI drive and waiting to try something
else.
Also:
After both of the above and when it didn't boot, I tried the fixboot,
fixmbr and bootcfg /rebuild techniques but ...No go.

MTIA
Jay



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Old October 20th 06, 05:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Pop`
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Default Clone or Image from SCSI to IDE?

Bob Harris wrote:
....
see it. Further, XP does not contain native support for some types
of disk controllers, like SATA and RAID. If the IDE disk is really
SATA (thus on an SATA controller), or if it is really plain IDE, but
attached to a RAID controller, then you will need to provide XP with
drivers for that controller. Such drivers some from the motherboard
maker (or PC maker), not the hard drive maker.

....
Minor detail, but a fully updated SP2 + hotfixes version of XP supports SATA
and most Motherboards the last few to several years have the SATA
controller, usually only for two drives. All that's necessary is for the
controller to be available.

If it's not SATA compliant, there are cheap SATA controllers available
also but I'm not sure how relevant this is to the op's issues. He's been
talking IDE but there is no IDE or Master/Slave relationship for SATA dr
ives; it's one to connector cable, period.

You're right about RAID but I don't think that's relevant; it doesn't fit
anywhere in anything the op has brought up.

Pop`


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Old October 20th 06, 08:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
jay
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Default Clone or Image from SCSI to IDE?

""Also, be sure to attach the IDE disk to the primary position on the
first IDE controller and set the disk to master. Then, reboot. ""

Please explain why this is an issue.... for my learning curve :-)

After both restores, I did remove the SCSI HD and changed the boot
sequence in BIOS to IDE = First

My IDE HD is jumpered to master and is on the end connector for master
BUT it is on the MoBo ide 2 controller plug-in, if this is a issue.

MTIA
Jay



On Oct 20, 11:35 am, "Bob Harris"
wrote:
I have not used Drive Image 7, but I have used GHOST (up to 2003) and True
Image (up to 8) for similar functions.

Be aware that there is a difference between cloning a drive and making a
backup of a parition, even if the drive contains only one partition. The
"clone" option includes the master boot record, whereas the partition image
option usually does not. Further, a backup is usually a single compressed
file and will never be bootable. You need to transfers all files to the new
drive, as files. In your case you definitely want a "clone" option, not a
simple "backup/restore" option.

Of course, a requirement for a successful cloning option is that the cloning
software can "see" both hard drives. As I recall, Drive Image 7 runs from
within windows, so it should see anything that windows sees. So, does
windows see the new disk? Even if it is unformatted, the disk management
tool of XP should see it as "raw". If XP can't see it, then a program
running under XP is unlikely to see it. Further, XP does not contain native
support for some types of disk controllers, like SATA and RAID. If the IDE
disk is really SATA (thus on an SATA controller), or if it is really plain
IDE, but attached to a RAID controller, then you will need to provide XP
with drivers for that controller. Such drivers some from the motherboard
maker (or PC maker), not the hard drive maker.

Caution: Never attach two bootable disks to a computer, then turn it on.
This can lead to confusion at best, and errors at worst. Once the cloning
is done, power off and remove the SCSI disk, or at least detact its power
and/or signal cable. Also, be sure to attach the IDE disk to the primary
position on the first IDE controller and set the disk to master. Then,
reboot.

As far as booting goes, a successful clone, should also copy the boot
record. But, in case it does not, you can rewrite the boot record using the
XP recovery console, run from the XP CD, to do a FIXMBR. Just be very
careful to avoid re-writing the boot record on your currently working disk !
For safety, do not issue this command while the SCSI disk is attached.

A quirk of XP is a file called BOOT.INI. This file lives on the root level
of C:\ and directs the XP loader as to where to find the Windows operating
system. Unfortunately, the information in this file is usually different
for SCSI and IDE drives. This file can be re-made using the recovery
console via the BOOTCFG command. For safety, do not issue this command
while the SCSI disk is attached.

If you do not have an XP CD, the recovery console is availble free from
Microsoft of what they call XP setup disks. These are a multi-floppy set
that is intended to prepare systems for XP installation.

If none of this helps, try to perform the cloning outside of windows, such
as from a bootable floppy ot bootable CD. I do not know whether Drive Image
7 supports this sort of thing. Older versions of GHOST and True Image
certainly do.

You might start by temporarily insalling the IDE drive"jay" wrote in ooglegroups.com...



I want to move my XP Pro OS sys off the SCSI drive to the new IDE
drive.


I have Drive Image 7 but it's "copy to a new HD" or "Restore Image"
doesn't give me a boot-able scenario and end up wiping the new drive
clean and going back my old SCSI drive and waiting to try something
else.
Also:
After both of the above and when it didn't boot, I tried the fixboot,
fixmbr and bootcfg /rebuild techniques but ...No go.


MTIA
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