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Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?

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Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?

No, don't bother trying any further.

They want you to use web based email for hotmail, gmail, "whatever
mail" but you can get any number of email clients will do it "the old
way". I use Thunderbird more because it was first I could make sense of
and it retrieved my hotmail account also once upgraded to Win7.

The problem with these damn web based email servers is I doubt they
respect the "delete from server" setting and keep a copy backed up
regardless.

AAH wrote:

Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?

"Windows 7" does not identify which EDITION of Windows 7 that you have.
There are several, some if which you are unlikely to have but still
could have.

Starter
Home Basic
Home Premium
Professional *
Enterprise *
Ultimate *

* These give you the option of using "XP Mode" which is a virtual
machine manager (VMM) that can load virtual machines (VMs) running a
guest OS, like Windows XP. Those editions include a license for Windows
XP that you can then run inside a VM in "XP Mode".

XP Mode requires 2 downloads from Microsoft. One download is a slightly
modified version of Microsoft's VirtualPC 2007 (the VMM) and the other
is to provide transparency to the VM so you don't know the app is
running inside a VM.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...e-in-windows-7

While Microsoft's articles may still mention hardware-assisted
virtualization is required, I believe Microsoft dropped that hardware
requirement (in the CPU). You'll see a bunch of scary warnings that
Microsoft has dropped support for Windows XP. The XP Mode downloads are
still live you can still get them.

Make sure you download the Windows VirtualPC (WVPC) whose bit-width
matches that of your OS: 32-bit WVPC for 32-bit Win7, 64-bit WVPC for
64-bit Win7. You don't need to be concerned about the WinXP VM download
since that's a 32-bit OS (but watch which language version you choose).

Alternatively, you could use a different e-mail client to use under
Windows 7. I'm using Thunderbird (although after a 4-month trial I'm
starting to long for MS Outlook even with the crappy ribbon bar).
There's EssentialPIM which is similar to Outlook; however, the freeware
version will spam stamp your outbound e-mails with EPIM's signature
(which means you don't get to add your own signature or send e-mails
with no signature). It payware version costs $40 for the one-version
purchase (you pay for later version upgrades) or $70 for a lifetime
license that covers all future versions, so it's definitely cheaper than
buying a standalone copy of just Outlook. Further research by you will
expose other choices for e-mail clients, some of which are free.

You can endure the installation, setup, and using a VM running [slower]
Windows XP which includes IE6 which bundled OE6 with it (you can update
to IE8 in Windows XP but OE6 is the last version of that product and why
OE is not bundled with later versions of IE). Or you endure the same
pain in migrating to a new e-mail client. XP Mode is available in
Windows 7 but not in Windows 8, so you'll lose XP Mode if you eventually
move to a later version of Windows. Then you'll suffer having to
migrate from OE (in XP Mode) to something else later. Pain now, or pain
later. Since you're in the transition mode now, you can choose to go
with XP Mode and then have to transition again later, or you can move to
a different e-mail client that you hope has longevity and support to
survive into those later versions of Windows.

Note: Although I use Thunderbird, Mozilla announced awhile back that
they are reducing support on it. So although I chose Thunderbird, its
days could be numbered. Even Outlook's days seem to be numbered.
Everyone seems enamored with "cloud" oriented services rather than
producing local clients (or, at least, with heavy-weight local clients
versus light-weight clients as a UI to the cloud service). We're
devolving away from distributed endpoint computing back to the days of
[dumb] workstations and mainframes. Remember bell bottoms? Well, they
made a retro comeback for awhile. Maybe afros will come back, too,
along with tie-dyed or paisley shirts. I did like the Nehru jackets
since lapels and collars are vestigial frou frou.

On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 02:09:55 -0300, pjp wrote:

The problem with these damn web based email servers is I doubt they
respect the "delete from server" setting and keep a copy backed up
regardless.

You could say the same about ANY email provider. There's nothing about web
based email that makes it any more or less likely.

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Char Jackson

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lid says...

On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 02:09:55 -0300, pjp wrote:

The problem with these damn web based email servers is I doubt they
respect the "delete from server" setting and keep a copy backed up
regardless.

You could say the same about ANY email provider. There's nothing about web
based email that makes it any more or less likely.

What you say is true but I figure a normal ISP is greedy and if he's
running his own email server he's happy to have it offloaded and not his
responsibility as to keep it costs him. The big boys "mine" it which the
smaller more local ISP's have limited means to do. Mind you, I
recognize they could "sell it in bulk" or some such other nonsense but
that seems a risky legal proposition.

Also the smaller fry likely run some reasonably well known email server
on some Linux system and I suspect it's little more than some checkbox,
e.g. Keep Copy.

You can install Windows Mail:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html
"AAH" wrote...
Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?

"VanguardLH" wrote in message


You can endure the installation, setup, and using a VM running [slower]
Windows XP which includes IE6 which bundled OE6 with it (you can update
to IE8 in Windows XP but OE6 is the last version of that product and why
OE is not bundled with later versions of IE). Or you endure the same
pain in migrating to a new e-mail client. XP Mode is available in
Windows 7 but not in Windows 8, so you'll lose XP Mode if you eventually
move to a later version of Windows. Then you'll suffer having to
migrate from OE (in XP Mode) to something else later. Pain now, or pain
later.

Or he could use a different VM - Oracle's Virtual Box is one - that works
just fine with XP on Win8.

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dadiOH
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Hi, AAH.

As pjp said, No, OE (any version) does not run and cannot even be installed
in Win7 - except in a Virtual Machine using XP Mode, as Vanguard LH
explains.

As you probably have learned, Win7 comes with NO email client or newsreader
at all. We must each select, download and install one of our choice.

The closest we can come to OE is Windows Live Mail, free to download
(separately or included in the Microsoft (Live) Essentials) from:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...ive/essentials

Just beware that WLM has gone through many versions, including variations in
its name. :( The current version in the one shown in my Sig: Windows
Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) This and the past several versions
use the Ribbon GUI that is now used by Microsoft Office. It takes some
getting used to, but gets better with use.

One major fault in WLM, which Microsoft has said they will not fix because
all development of WLM ceased about 4 years ago, is its failure to properly
quote prior messages in the thread. We have to insert the "" markers
manually. :(

For this and other reasons, many Win7/8 users have chosen other mail/news
clients. You will see them discussed at length in these newsgroups. Some
users use Outlook (NOT Outlook Express!) for email and choose a different
program for newsgroups. The bottom line is that you must choose the program
that fits YOU and YOUR needs.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"AAH" wrote in message news
Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?

| The problem with these damn web based email servers is I doubt they
| respect the "delete from server" setting and keep a copy backed up
| regardless.
|
| You could say the same about ANY email provider. There's nothing about web
| based email that makes it any more or less likely.
|

Typical POP3 behavior is to delete the email from
the server. It's private storage. Google, by contrast,
claims to co-own your email. As far as I know, MS
and Yahoo are the same, though I think Yahoo held
out with a shred of decency for awhile, if I remember
correctly.
They claim the right to rifle through your email for
advertising purposes. It's known that it can't be deleted
from their server. Deleting it only means you can't get it.
Free webmail is simply not your property. You forfeit
that right in signing up. (Unfortunately, you also forfeit
that right on behalf of people you correspond with. On
the bright side, Google is currently being sued on that
score. Their defense consists of saying that no one has
a right to expect privacy, apparently in any venue of
life. Though, oddly, I still haven't seen anything about
the URL for Eric Schmidtt's bath-cam.)

That's not to say that the spooks are not forcing
retention behind the scenes. Or maybe ISPs will try to
start selling personal data. Who knows? But traditionally
ISPs have wanted email deleted in order to save space.

And there are also private companies. In my case
I have my own domain, so email goes through my web
host.

And of course that's not getting into the general
inferiority of pushing email through a system that
was never designed for it.

Some ISPs do sub out, as you noted. That's something
one has to watch out for. I have a brother who used
to use isp.com. They dumped him into gmail, still using
the isp.com address. I don't know how the TOS compare
in that case.

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Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?





You can port Windows Mail (from Vista) to Windows 7. Windows Mail is very
similar to Outlook Express.
I did so and it works fine on Windows 7.




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"AAH" schreef in bericht
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Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?





You can port Windows Mail (from Vista) to Windows 7. Windows Mail is very
similar to Outlook Express.
I did so and it works fine on Windows 7.




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"AAH" wrote in message
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Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?

I have Windows 7 Pro with Windows XP Mode installed and run OE6 just
fine from within the virtual environment. Have an icon on my Windows 7
desktop that takes me right into OE6. I will use OE6 for as long as I
can find away to make it work.
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"AAH" wrote in message
news
Does OE6 work in Windows 7, if so, how to install it?

I have Windows 7 Pro with Windows XP Mode installed and run OE6 just fine
from within the virtual environment. Have an icon on my Windows 7 desktop
that takes me right into OE6. I will use OE6 for as long as I can find
away to make it work.
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Bill



How much extra space does virtual environment take on hard disk?



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On Fri, 4 Jul 2014 11:38:01 +0300, Live wrote:

You can install Windows Mail:

Or he could install a decent newsreader.

http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html

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dadiOH wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote in message


You can endure the installation, setup, and using a VM running [slower]
Windows XP which includes IE6 which bundled OE6 with it (you can update
to IE8 in Windows XP but OE6 is the last version of that product and why
OE is not bundled with later versions of IE). Or you endure the same
pain in migrating to a new e-mail client. XP Mode is available in
Windows 7 but not in Windows 8, so you'll lose XP Mode if you eventually
move to a later version of Windows. Then you'll suffer having to
migrate from OE (in XP Mode) to something else later. Pain now, or pain
later.

Or he could use a different VM - Oracle's Virtual Box is one - that works
just fine with XP on Win8.

Will VirtualPC run a VPC image (.vhd disk image file) made to load under
WVPC? The install of XP Mode has you download and save the .vhd file.
The 2nd download has you get and install WVPC (under which you load the
..vhd image file). You don't install Windows XP in the VM. You're given
a .vhd file so all the "installation" in the VM has already been made.