Need to know if this site shows as insecure in Internet Explorer

https://mywater.kcmo.org/cus/mcuslogin.jsp

Shows as having a certificate from an unknown issuer in Pale Moon on
Windows 8.1. The Firefox users I've asked over on Mozilla's news server
are here and there with their answers-mostly because I inadvertently
gave them a partial URL instead of the full one to the login page,
giving most of them blank screens. I corrected it in a later post but
no one picked up on it again.

Anyway, I'd appreciate any of you trying to hit the URL as I've given it
here and letting me know if IE has any issues with its security. Trying
to decide whether to bypass the error or not.

On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:06:15 -0500, none wrote:

https://mywater.kcmo.org/cus/mcuslogin.jsp

Shows as having a certificate from an unknown issuer in Pale Moon on
Windows 8.1.

No error here in IE or Firefox.

Here are the certificate details
Screen-shot --- https://i.imgur.com/9jcx0mN.png

Check Pale Moon's certificate store to see whether it has the right
CA certificates.


The Firefox users I've asked over on Mozilla's news server
are here and there with their answers-mostly because I inadvertently
gave them a partial URL instead of the full one to the login page,
giving most of them blank screens. I corrected it in a later post but
no one picked up on it again.

Anyway, I'd appreciate any of you trying to hit the URL as I've given it
here and letting me know if IE has any issues with its security. Trying
to decide whether to bypass the error or not.


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Kind regards
Ralph

On 06/23/2018 15:47, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:06:15 -0500, none wrote:

https://mywater.kcmo.org/cus/mcuslogin.jsp

No error here in IE or Firefox.

Check Pale Moon's certificate store to see whether it has the right
CA certificates.

As far as it goes you were right-it doesn't.

I went and did some more homework. Pale Moon throws an error because
the site doesn't send the intermediate certificate that it's supposed
to, which leaves the certificate chain incomplete. You didn't see that
in Internet Explorer because IE supports Authority Information Access
fetching-it grabs the missing cert from the CA to complete the chain.
Firefox and Pale Moon (which is forked from Firefox) don't support AIA
(another childish spat between alternative browser and website
developers that leaves end users in the lurch and drives more and more
of them back to IE).

Anyway, I was able to manually retrieve and install the cert by looking
at the AIA URL on the certificate. Now I can pay my water bills online
again.

Thanks, Ralph for trying to help.

On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 16:38:24 -0500, none wrote:

that leaves end users in the lurch and drives more and more
of them back to IE


Users are going to Chrome, not to IE.

Chrome has around 60% of the desktop browser market share. IE is under 10% and declining.
Times have changed.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...901-201707.png


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Kind regards
Ralph

🦊

On 23 Jun 2018, Ralph Fox wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Users are going to Chrome, not to IE.

Chrome has around 60% of the desktop browser market share. IE is
under 10% and declining. Times have changed.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...901-201707.png

I'm sorry to hear that. I quite dislike Chrome, though I use it on one
of my computers because it seems to use slightly less resources than
my first choice, Firefox. I find Chrome to be more annoying and less
functional than most other browsers. Not to mention the Google privacy
questions...

On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:34:55 -0400, Nil wrote:
On 23 Jun 2018, Ralph Fox wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Users are going to Chrome, not to IE.

Chrome has around 60% of the desktop browser market share. IE is
under 10% and declining. Times have changed.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...901-201707.png

I'm sorry to hear that.

Google ran what has proven to be an effective campaign to push Chrome,
on several fronts (including drive-by downloads).

I quite dislike Chrome, though I use it on one
of my computers because it seems to use slightly less resources than
my first choice, Firefox.

I used to use K-Meleon for this reason. Unfortunately the latest
stable release is nearly 3 years old.
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/

I find Chrome to be more annoying and less
functional than most other browsers.

I have heaps of bookmarks, and I much prefer Firefox for this.

Not to mention the Google privacy
questions...

For this, look at one of the alternative Chromium builds such as
SRWare Iron.
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php


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Kind regards
Ralph

🗺�Ｗ🕸�

KenW wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:34:55 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 23 Jun 2018, Ralph Fox wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Users are going to Chrome, not to IE.

Chrome has around 60% of the desktop browser market share. IE is
under 10% and declining. Times have changed.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...901-201707.png
I'm sorry to hear that. I quite dislike Chrome, though I use it on one
of my computers because it seems to use slightly less resources than
my first choice, Firefox. I find Chrome to be more annoying and less
functional than most other browsers. Not to mention the Google privacy
questions...

If you are worried about privacy, stay off of the net PERIOD.
Since switching from FF to Chrome, I haven't had a site not render
correctly.

KenW

That's not the question though.

If I visit Newegg and look for a product like say a
SATA cable, then visit my favorite news site, should
I be confronted with a 6" x 2" banner advert from
Newegg, full of SATA cables ? Some of these banner adverts
packed full of images of stuff, are sucking the life out
of the browser, and you can barely scroll.

The adverts got there by tracking. Tracking that's
very difficult to get rid of. All it takes is your
browser logging into Google and collecting info
for "places.sqlite" or the like, to identify who you
are, and bring back the Newegg adverts again. That's
because just as many Google cookies are used to track
you as Newegg cookies.

It's one thing for Newegg to keep a cookie and show
me SATA cables the next time I visit Newegg. It's another
to turn my browser usage into a constant barrage
of Newegg adverts.

Paul

On 23 Jun 2018, KenW
wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

If you are worried about privacy, stay off of the net PERIOD.

Irrelevant and illogical. If you have no questions about internet
privacy, you are sadly naive. And if you do have questions, please take
your own advice immediately.

Since switching from FF to Chrome, I haven't had a site not render
correctly.

Also irrelevant. Since using Firefox I haven't had a site not render
correctly.