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  #16  
Old April 6th 16, 11:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Beauregard T. Shagnasty[_2_]
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Keith Nuttle wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
s|b wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Yes, overkill for reading a simple document, but my reply was also
addressing the OP's statement of "and can not afford the cost of a MS
subscription of MS office." which you snipped.

So with LibreOffice, he gets his "office" at no cost.

The OP uses WordPerfect


Wait. You are the OP. You didn't mention anything about WordPerfecct in
your initial post. Won't WordPerfect open and read Microsoft's ".doc"
files? (It's been centuries since I used WP, but seem to remember that it
did .doc files same as Word.)

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  #17  
Old April 7th 16, 12:17 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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On 4/6/2016 6:50 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
s|b wrote:
Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Yes, overkill for reading a simple document, but my reply was also
addressing the OP's statement of "and can not afford the cost of a MS
subscription of MS office." which you snipped.

So with LibreOffice, he gets his "office" at no cost.

The OP uses WordPerfect


Wait. You are the OP. You didn't mention anything about WordPerfecct in
your initial post. Won't WordPerfect open and read Microsoft's ".doc"
files? (It's been centuries since I used WP, but seem to remember that it
did .doc files same as Word.)

It will open most of the MS documents. However recently I have ran
across a series of MS documents that will not open in WordPerfect or any
of the MS viewers that I have.
  #18  
Old April 7th 16, 12:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:15:52 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2016-04-06 17:37, Ken Blake wrote:


On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:55:41 -0000 (UTC), Dave C


It's always a mystery to me how Microsoft can come in late and usurp
existing applications, eventually putting them out of business.



WordPerfect 6.0 was a very buggy release, and it was then that many
people started switching to Microsoft Word.


It worked just fine up to Win6.11. It was Win6.21 that made it buggy.
6.21 made a lot of software buggy as I recall.




Win6.11???? Win6.21???? Exactly what do you mean by those names?
  #19  
Old April 7th 16, 12:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 22:50:51 -0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:


The OP uses WordPerfect


Wait. You are the OP. You didn't mention anything about WordPerfecct in
your initial post. Won't WordPerfect open and read Microsoft's ".doc"
files? (It's been centuries since I used WP, but seem to remember that it
did .doc files ...



Yes, it still does.


... same as Word.)



But nothing but Word does anything "same as Word." WordPerfect does a
good job, has no problem with most .doc files, and interprets them
much the same way. But it's not perfect with .doc files.

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Old April 7th 16, 12:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:22:38 -0400, Wolf K
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On 2016-04-06 19:17, Keith Nuttle wrote:


It will open most of the MS documents. However recently I have ran
across a series of MS documents that will not open in WordPerfect or any
of the MS viewers that I have.


I have X7, it doesn't have a problem with *.doc or *docx.



Same here.


X3 had some issues, I skipped X5.



I've had no problems with X3, X4, X5, X6, or X7. My only complaint is
that there are very few differences between the versions, and there's
been very little reason to upgrade.
  #21  
Old April 7th 16, 02:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Beauregard T. Shagnasty[_2_]
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Ken Blake wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
The OP uses WordPerfect


Wait. You are the OP. You didn't mention anything about WordPerfecct in
your initial post. Won't WordPerfect open and read Microsoft's ".doc"
files? (It's been centuries since I used WP, but seem to remember that
it did .doc files ...


Yes, it still does.

... same as Word.)


But nothing but Word does anything "same as Word."


You know what I meant... :-)

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  #22  
Old April 7th 16, 03:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:08:49 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2016-04-06 19:33, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 19:15:52 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2016-04-06 17:37, Ken Blake wrote:


On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 18:55:41 -0000 (UTC), Dave C


It's always a mystery to me how Microsoft can come in late and usurp
existing applications, eventually putting them out of business.


WordPerfect 6.0 was a very buggy release, and it was then that many
people started switching to Microsoft Word.

It worked just fine up to Win6.11. It was Win6.21 that made it buggy.
6.21 made a lot of software buggy as I recall.




Win6.11???? Win6.21???? Exactly what do you mean by those names?


Sorry, 2.1, 2.11. Brain fart.



I suspected something like this, but I wasn't sure what.

I ran 2.0 very slightly, but it ran under DOS. So WordPerfect didn't
run under 2.x, it ran next to it. So why would it have made
WordPerfect buggy? If it did, I don't remember it.



Then there was the 3.x series, which also
broke miscellaneous software.



I ran all of those, but don't remember it breaking anything.


I skipped 95/95/ME,



You mean 95/*98*/Me, I assume. As did I.


used OS/2, which ran Win 3.1 just fine, better than



I never ran OS/2


DOS, in fact. That was on the first machine I built, er, I mean
assembled. But IBM dropped OS/2, so I used W2000 on the next machine,
and dabbled in Linux. Bought a Mac Powerbook around that time, too, but
that was a mistake.



I ran Windows 2000, but never ran Linux or Macintosh anything.


Breaking software seems to be a habit with MS. OTOH, PMView, which was
written for OS/2, then ported to Windows and upgraded, still works just
lovely on W7/Home and W8.1/64 bit.

Have a good day,



You too.
  #23  
Old April 7th 16, 03:30 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:12:14 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 2016-04-06 19:36, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 22:50:51 -0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

Keith Nuttle wrote:


The OP uses WordPerfect

Wait. You are the OP. You didn't mention anything about WordPerfecct in
your initial post. Won't WordPerfect open and read Microsoft's ".doc"
files? (It's been centuries since I used WP, but seem to remember that it
did .doc files ...



Yes, it still does.


... same as Word.)



But nothing but Word does anything "same as Word." WordPerfect does a
good job, has no problem with most .doc files, and interprets them
much the same way. But it's not perfect with .doc files.


Not even Word does it all.




Perhaps not, but it does do it "same as Word." ;-)
  #24  
Old April 7th 16, 03:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Thu, 7 Apr 2016 01:00:47 -0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Keith Nuttle wrote:
The OP uses WordPerfect

Wait. You are the OP. You didn't mention anything about WordPerfecct in
your initial post. Won't WordPerfect open and read Microsoft's ".doc"
files? (It's been centuries since I used WP, but seem to remember that
it did .doc files ...


Yes, it still does.

... same as Word.)


But nothing but Word does anything "same as Word."


You know what I meant... :-)



Of course. Just pulling your leg a bit.
  #25  
Old April 7th 16, 06:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:28:17 -0000 (UTC), Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Yes, overkill for reading a simple document, but my reply was also
addressing the OP's statement of "and can not afford the cost of a MS
subscription of MS office." which you snipped.

So with LibreOffice, he gets his "office" at no cost.


What I said.

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  #26  
Old April 7th 16, 06:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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s|b wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:28:17 -0000 (UTC), Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

Yes, overkill for reading a simple document, but my reply was also
addressing the OP's statement of "and can not afford the cost of a MS
subscription of MS office." which you snipped.

So with LibreOffice, he gets his "office" at no cost.


What I said.


LibreOffice has failed every "quality" test I've given it.

You get "half an office at no cost".

And what's that worth ? About what you paid for it.

*******

As an example, I tried to do an Excel-type chart project.
Accept a list of maybe 80,000 ordered pairs and graph it.

The program runs for about four or five minutes, and
then declares "Allocation Error". No, that's not a main
memory error. I thought that at first, but I started
searching for that string. Well, where does that
error actually come from ? The program uses OpenGL to
draw a simple fricken chart. It seems to rely on an
ATI OpenGL plugin that indicates how much free memory
the video card has left. This plugin does not work properly.
It's known that Microsoft broke it (as the video card
memory management model changes from OS to OS, and ATI
hasn't been able to fix the OpenGL plugin to do the
right thing in each case). It's not even clear that
NVidia has such a capability at all in their Windows OpenGL
(because, of course, it would get broken).

So I cannot make my simple chart in Windows with LibreOffice.
It errors out. I don't think I can disable the OpenGL path.

However, if I use Linux and LibreOffice, I'm able
to complete my chart.

So much for "half an Office"...

I've had double-printed characters in Writer. There's
a whole litany of sins. But you'll find out when
you get there. Don't let me spoil the surprise.

At least with the viewers, you'll be able to
convert docx, xlsx, pptx you get off the Internet,
into some other archival format, so you can at least
read them. I usually convert to PDF for
quick access. As long as the documents don't
do anything too wacky, the translator package
(FileFormatConverters.exe) will work OK.

Paul
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Old April 7th 16, 07:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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http://www.kingsoftstore.com/softwar...ffice-freeware

Kingsoft Office is not bad either.

You cannot expect that free product will be as useful as paid, but it
does job for home and small office users.

I use LibreOffice at home and it satisfy my needs. At work we use MS
Office.


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Old April 7th 16, 08:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 13:50:31 -0400, Paul wrote:

LibreOffice has failed every "quality" test I've given it.

You get "half an office at no cost".

And what's that worth ? About what you paid for it.

*******

As an example, I tried to do an Excel-type chart project.
Accept a list of maybe 80,000 ordered pairs and graph it.


I'm betting not many people have files like that. I've used OOo and then
LO and I've never encountered a problem. Mind you, I *know* there are
some problems, I'm only saying I haven't encountered one yet in all
those years.

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Old April 7th 16, 09:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 4/7/2016 3:16 PM, s|b wrote:
On Thu, 07 Apr 2016 13:50:31 -0400, Paul wrote:

LibreOffice has failed every "quality" test I've given it.

You get "half an office at no cost".

And what's that worth ? About what you paid for it.

*******

As an example, I tried to do an Excel-type chart project.
Accept a list of maybe 80,000 ordered pairs and graph it.


I'm betting not many people have files like that. I've used OOo and then
LO and I've never encountered a problem. Mind you, I *know* there are
some problems, I'm only saying I haven't encountered one yet in all
those years.


I used the OS/2 version of Lotus but when I had to by a new computer and
OS/2 unavailable. I tried use MS Works as it came with my first MS
Computer. The word processors was acceptable and it had a useable
database. The spreadsheet was acceptable but could handle only the
simplest of graphs.

I then went looking for an office suit for home use I tried Open Office
(It has been some years ago) which I understand has become LibreOffice.

At that time I was quite pleased with the word processor, and if that
had been the only criteria I would have continued to use it. The spread
sheet was horrible. I tried a couple of other free Office suites with
similar results.

I had used both MS office and WordPerfect office at work and my first
purchased Office suite was Word Perfect Office X-3 because of the revel
codes, and the many more function in Quattro Pro. I am now on Word
Perfect Office X-5 and hope to upgrade to X-8 when it comes out.

The spread sheet has been the deciding factor in most of my decision on
office suites. I consider myself and average spreadsheet user. My Stock
Market spread sheet tracks the DOW and the S&P with data from 2007. One
worksheet calculates the weekly and monthly changes in both the DOW and
the S&P. This spread sheet has charts for the last 30, 60, 90, 120, and
180 days of the daily closing and daily volumes.

I have two other spread sheet. One is for my assets, and is principally
a database of the monthly closing data for my accounts and chart to
track the change in the value of the assets since 2008.

My Check book spread sheet usually runs with about two years of data and
tracks the balances in my checking account, my credit accounts, and my
savings accounts. Each purchase is coded and the the expenditure
against the codes are calculated.

I have similar spreadsheets to manage my church Chair of the trustees
activities.

I don't consider my uses of a spreadsheet unique. If those office
suites like Open Office had been able to hand this type of spread sheet
I would be using them today.

If you are testing spread sheet performance, one test is to generate the
data and plot the curve for the normal curve of error. 160 points will
give a good definition of the curve create by the formula
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution. And with the
function use, give a good speed test. With Quattro Pro this takes a
couple of seconds while the spread sheet is opening. With the
OpenOffice based spreadsheets it took minutes.

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Old April 7th 16, 10:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Beauregard T. Shagnasty[_2_]
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Keith Nuttle wrote:

I then went looking for an office suit for home use I tried Open Office
(It has been some years ago) which I understand has become LibreOffice.


No, both products are available. LibreOffice was a fork of OpenOffice, and
according to most comments I've read, LO has become the better product.

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