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Old November 15th 17, 12:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

Hi,

I have an old IBM ThinkPad T23 laptop that I use every day.
I normally keep it on for hours. Therefore I use the AC adapter
all the time. It has WinXP Home Edition SP2.

Unfortunately, if I click on the "Turn Off Computer" at "Start"
button, the pop-up window allows me only 3 of 4 options:

"Stand By" is NOT enabled!!!

"Turn Off"

"Restart"

"Cancel"

Note: My Gateway desktop computer's "Stand By" is enabled (same WinXP
version).

How can I enable "Stand By" on my ThinkPad T23?

Thank You in advance, John



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Old November 15th 17, 11:58 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

wrote:
Hi,

I have an old IBM ThinkPad T23 laptop that I use every day.
I normally keep it on for hours. Therefore I use the AC adapter
all the time. It has WinXP Home Edition SP2.

Unfortunately, if I click on the "Turn Off Computer" at "Start"
button, the pop-up window allows me only 3 of 4 options:

"Stand By" is NOT enabled!!!

"Turn Off"

"Restart"

"Cancel"

Note: My Gateway desktop computer's "Stand By" is enabled (same WinXP
version).

How can I enable "Stand By" on my ThinkPad T23?

Thank You in advance, John


You might need to use dumppo.exe and do an override.

Stuff like this can happen, if you have a BIOS with
ACPI settings.

S1 only --- screws up Windows, needs dumppo.exe to repair
S1&S3 --- preferred, allows sleep

There might also be an ACPI version setting (of all things).
Make sure the ACPI version is set to the highest value listed,
for best compatibility with your OS.

(Dumppo, doing an override to restore Sleep)

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.p...8&postcount=31

This tool doesn't work in Windows 10. It's only for older OSes,
if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is
going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny,
and should have been put on the OS installer disc.

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oem...cpi/dumppo.exe

Here's a scan of dumppo.exe from the FTp site.

https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/f0...0a2a/detection

And an alternative download location.

http://web.archive.org/web/200503082...oad/dumppo.exe

The Bellamy copy is clean, even if it appears to be
a different version of the previously available Microsoft FTP copy.

https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/07...835877/details

DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3

Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether
an override is even necessary. As it could be that
something else is broken (hardware-wise).

Paul
  #3  
Old November 16th 17, 02:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:30:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is
going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny,
and should have been put on the OS installer disc.

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oem...cpi/dumppo.exe


It timed out three times for me. (Two different browsers.)
[]
And an alternative download location.

http://web.archive.org/web/200503082...myjc.net/downl
oad/dumppo.exe


That one worked, thanks.
[]
DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3

Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether


Takes a few seconds, i. e. is not "instant".

an override is even necessary. As it could be that
something else is broken (hardware-wise).

Paul

John


Hi,

I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via
CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) :
"dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too.

Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP?

Thank You in advance, John





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Old November 16th 17, 02:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 01:30:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
[]
if at all. It's hard to say how many more years this link is
going to work. The program is only 12KB or so, it's tiny,
and should have been put on the OS installer disc.

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oem...cpi/dumppo.exe
It timed out three times for me. (Two different browsers.)
[]
And an alternative download location.

http://web.archive.org/web/200503082...myjc.net/downl
oad/dumppo.exe

That one worked, thanks.
[]
DUMPPO.EXE admin /ac minsleep=s3

Use the "dumppo admin" command first, to review whether

Takes a few seconds, i. e. is not "instant".

an override is even necessary. As it could be that
something else is broken (hardware-wise).

Paul

John


Hi,

I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via
CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) :
"dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too.

Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP?

Thank You in advance, John


Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com
FTP server work again.

Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the
current capabilities ?

When I type

dumppo

it answers

dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc

See if the bellamy version gives those options.

Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because
there is no other tool...

Paul
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Old November 17th 17, 01:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

SNIP
I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via
CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) :
"dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too.

Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP?

Thank You in advance, John


Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com
FTP server work again.

Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the
current capabilities ?

When I type

dumppo

it answers

dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc

See if the bellamy version gives those options.

Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because
there is no other tool...

Paul


Hi Paul,

The "answer" is exactly as you described above, "dumppo: cap ps bs...."

The file size is 13,584.

Maybe this has nothing to do with it, but I also checked BIOS settings
(at bootup) incase there was something there that is preventing "Standby",
but the closest setting I found was a "Suspend" timer which was "Enabled"
after 20 minutes (adjustable).

John









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Old November 17th 17, 10:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

wrote:
SNIP
I downloaded dumppo.exe, but it did NOT "work" using the command: via
CMD.EXE (Command Prompt) :
"dumppo admin /ac minsleep=s3". I tried other commands too.

Any other "Standby" tools or technique for WinXP?

Thank You in advance, John

Not unless you can make the ftp.microsoft.com
FTP server work again.

Did "dumppo admin" work ? So you could review the
current capabilities ?

When I type

dumppo

it answers

dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc

See if the bellamy version gives those options.

Dumppo is *the* tool for ACPI problems, mainly because
there is no other tool...

Paul


Hi Paul,

The "answer" is exactly as you described above, "dumppo: cap ps bs...."

The file size is 13,584.

Maybe this has nothing to do with it, but I also checked BIOS settings
(at bootup) incase there was something there that is preventing "Standby",
but the closest setting I found was a "Suspend" timer which was "Enabled"
after 20 minutes (adjustable).

John


The "dumppo" tool is supposed to have two purposes.

1) List the currently supported ACPI states
2) Issue an override, in an attempt to re-enable missing
state support, when any associated hardware mis-configurations
have been corrected.

It doesn't help to do an override, if the underlying problem
is still present.

Say, for example, in WinXP, you look at Device Manager,
look under Computer, and it doesn't say "ACPI Multiprocessor PC".
When the word ACPI is missing, it means ACPI isn't present
at all. You would probably lose both Sleep and Hibernate.
The OS might then revert to APM (the older standard), and
you would see

"It is safe to turn off this computer"

in a 640x480 window just after shutdown. The computer
doesn't even know about the "power button" and cannot
"press" it's own power button in that case. What's under
computer is called the HAL (Hardware Abstration Layer),
and certain HAL transitions are hard to fix. Getting
ACPI back is a re-install (repair install).

When the BIOS supports ACPI, the BIOS passes ACPI
tables to the OS, the OS installer can install an
ACPI subsystem. The word "ACPI" will be present for
the entry in Computer.

In that subsystem, are standby, sleep, hibernate.
Sometimes, one of the "smaller" BIOS settings, disables
sleep support. The OS takes that to heart, and mimics
what it sees. It *removes* sleep support. And, it's
in no rush to put it back either. It's a trap door
behavior. For example, your CMOS battery could die one
day, and an errant setting could "tip over" your
Sleep in WinXP, requiring dumppo.

The "dumppo" program is like a hint. It's saying to
the OS "why don't you try sleep again". If the setting
takes and the OS doesn't disable sleep again, then the
dumppo listing capability should then show that sleep
support is back.

So the first step, is to try to get dumppo to list
the currently supported states.

https://s7.postimg.org/f1tp6fyaz/dumppo.gif

In the more detailed output, I have

S1 S3 S4 S5

There is no S2.

S1 = Standby (monitor goes blank)
S3 = Sleep
S4 = Hibernate
S5 = Soft Off

HTH,
Paul

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Old November 18th 17, 07:30 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

SNIP
The "dumppo" tool is supposed to have two purposes.

1) List the currently supported ACPI states
2) Issue an override, in an attempt to re-enable missing
state support, when any associated hardware mis-configurations
have been corrected.

It doesn't help to do an override, if the underlying problem
is still present.

Say, for example, in WinXP, you look at Device Manager,
look under Computer, and it doesn't say "ACPI Multiprocessor PC".


Hi Paul,

It DOES show "ACPI....." under "Computer" via "Device Manager".

BTW, I forgot to mention that the FN & F4/Sleep keys combo does
NOT work with WinXP, but DOES (put to "sleep") with Win98.

Here is the results of using command, "dumppo admin cap":

Admin policy overrides
Min sleep state......: S3
Max sleep state......: S4 - hibernate
Min video timeout....: 0
Max video timeout....: -1
Min spindown timeout.: 0
Max spindown timeout.: -1
power capabilities
System power capabilities
Power Button Present....: TRUE
Sleep Button Present....: TRUE
Lid Present.............: TRUE
System states supported.: S5
Hiber file reserved.....: FALSE
Thermal control.........: TRUE
CPU Throttle control....: TRUE
Processor min throttle..: 64
Processor trottle scale.: 100 (1%)
Some disk will spindown.: TRUE
System batteries present: TRUE
System batteries scale..: (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0)
Ac on line wake ability.: Unspecified
Lid wake ability........: Unspecified
RTC wake ability........: S4 - hibernate
Min device wake.........: Unspecified
Default low latency wake: Unspecified

LEGACY DRIVER DETECTED
VgaSave

Again, Thanks, John

When the word ACPI is missing, it means ACPI isn't present
at all. You would probably lose both Sleep and Hibernate.
The OS might then revert to APM (the older standard), and
you would see

"It is safe to turn off this computer"

in a 640x480 window just after shutdown. The computer
doesn't even know about the "power button" and cannot
"press" it's own power button in that case. What's under
computer is called the HAL (Hardware Abstration Layer),
and certain HAL transitions are hard to fix. Getting
ACPI back is a re-install (repair install).

When the BIOS supports ACPI, the BIOS passes ACPI
tables to the OS, the OS installer can install an
ACPI subsystem. The word "ACPI" will be present for
the entry in Computer.

In that subsystem, are standby, sleep, hibernate.
Sometimes, one of the "smaller" BIOS settings, disables
sleep support. The OS takes that to heart, and mimics
what it sees. It *removes* sleep support. And, it's
in no rush to put it back either. It's a trap door
behavior. For example, your CMOS battery could die one
day, and an errant setting could "tip over" your
Sleep in WinXP, requiring dumppo.

The "dumppo" program is like a hint. It's saying to
the OS "why don't you try sleep again". If the setting
takes and the OS doesn't disable sleep again, then the
dumppo listing capability should then show that sleep
support is back.

So the first step, is to try to get dumppo to list
the currently supported states.

https://s7.postimg.org/f1tp6fyaz/dumppo.gif

In the more detailed output, I have

S1 S3 S4 S5

There is no S2.

S1 = Standby (monitor goes blank)
S3 = Sleep
S4 = Hibernate
S5 = Soft Off

HTH,
Paul


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Old November 20th 17, 12:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

wrote:
SNIP
The "dumppo" tool is supposed to have two purposes.

1) List the currently supported ACPI states
2) Issue an override, in an attempt to re-enable missing
state support, when any associated hardware mis-configurations
have been corrected.

It doesn't help to do an override, if the underlying problem
is still present.

Say, for example, in WinXP, you look at Device Manager,
look under Computer, and it doesn't say "ACPI Multiprocessor PC".


Hi Paul,

It DOES show "ACPI....." under "Computer" via "Device Manager".

BTW, I forgot to mention that the FN & F4/Sleep keys combo does
NOT work with WinXP, but DOES (put to "sleep") with Win98.

Here is the results of using command, "dumppo admin cap":

Admin policy overrides
Min sleep state......: S3
Max sleep state......: S4 - hibernate
Min video timeout....: 0
Max video timeout....: -1
Min spindown timeout.: 0
Max spindown timeout.: -1
power capabilities
System power capabilities
Power Button Present....: TRUE
Sleep Button Present....: TRUE
Lid Present.............: TRUE
System states supported.: S5
Hiber file reserved.....: FALSE
Thermal control.........: TRUE
CPU Throttle control....: TRUE
Processor min throttle..: 64
Processor trottle scale.: 100 (1%)
Some disk will spindown.: TRUE
System batteries present: TRUE
System batteries scale..: (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0) (G:0 C:0)
Ac on line wake ability.: Unspecified
Lid wake ability........: Unspecified
RTC wake ability........: S4 - hibernate
Min device wake.........: Unspecified
Default low latency wake: Unspecified

LEGACY DRIVER DETECTED
VgaSave

Again, Thanks, John


I think that means something related to video, is
blocking the states. The system states supported is in
pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4.

A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install
their video driver. You might take a look in Device
Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything
is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on.

There are two kinds of video drivers. The VESA driver is
for when the OS has no proprietary video card driver
installed. The ATI/Nvidia/Intel driver is the real,
full-featured driver, which enables hardware acceleration.
For the display adapter listed in Device Manager, you
want to see whether the text string is "branded" or
not, with a proprietary string.

It's possible, once you resolve the driver issue, that
you won't even need dumppo. But time will tell.

I think you're the first person I've run into, with
things blocked on a driver. The possibility was mentioned
on the Bellamy site, but I'd never seen it "in the wild".

*******

I learned a valuable lesson about computer hygiene and
video cards, a long time ago. I used to rip out and install
different video cards, with hardly a care in the world. At
one point, the computer had ATI, NVidia, and Matrox drivers
of some description. I never bothered to remove the
drivers.

The proper way to handle video is:

1) Go to Add/Remove and uninstall the current video driver.
2) Shut down, power off (unplug), install new video card.
3) System comes up and uses VESA driver initially.
That Microsoft VESA driver ensures you can see the screen.
It's basically just making a dumb frame buffer.
4) User then installs the proper driver for the new
brand of video card. Accelerated video returns to the
system.

If you do it that way, there are fewer chances of
side effects.

I got my OS in question, in such bad shape, I could
no longer get DMA/DIME working and games weren't
accelerated. I had to re-install, having learned
that I should be more careful in future. No amount
of "driver cleaners" would restore DMA/DIME.

Obviously, you can have two different brands of
video cards in a computer at the same time. There are
likely to be some scenarios that are hard to resolve
(like one driver that has "taken" to two different
cards, when you really want some "newer" driver to
only be used for one of the cards). I don't know
all the answers to such complicated setups. I
did run two FX5200 AGP cards for a test once, and
that was enough "fun" with dual cards right there.
The cards would switch roles (who drive left monitor
and who drives right monitor), while the system
was running :-) I took that apart after
a couple days and returned to a single video card.

Paul
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Old November 20th 17, 01:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

SNIP
I think that means something related to video, is
blocking the states. The system states supported is in
pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4.

A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install
their video driver. You might take a look in Device
Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything
is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on.

Hi Paul,

There is a yellow (Device Manager) for "Other devices", "Video
Controller". The "Device Status": "The drivers for this device are not
installed (Code 28). This T23 laptop was given to me years ago. I will see
if I have the driver for this and give that a try.

I will let you (et al) know the results after (if) I find the video
driver.

Thank You again, John


There are two kinds of video drivers. The VESA driver is
for when the OS has no proprietary video card driver
installed. The ATI/Nvidia/Intel driver is the real,
full-featured driver, which enables hardware acceleration.
For the display adapter listed in Device Manager, you
want to see whether the text string is "branded" or
not, with a proprietary string.

It's possible, once you resolve the driver issue, that
you won't even need dumppo. But time will tell.

I think you're the first person I've run into, with
things blocked on a driver. The possibility was mentioned
on the Bellamy site, but I'd never seen it "in the wild".

*******

I learned a valuable lesson about computer hygiene and
video cards, a long time ago. I used to rip out and install
different video cards, with hardly a care in the world. At
one point, the computer had ATI, NVidia, and Matrox drivers
of some description. I never bothered to remove the
drivers.

The proper way to handle video is:

1) Go to Add/Remove and uninstall the current video driver.
2) Shut down, power off (unplug), install new video card.
3) System comes up and uses VESA driver initially.
That Microsoft VESA driver ensures you can see the screen.
It's basically just making a dumb frame buffer.
4) User then installs the proper driver for the new
brand of video card. Accelerated video returns to the
system.

If you do it that way, there are fewer chances of
side effects.

I got my OS in question, in such bad shape, I could
no longer get DMA/DIME working and games weren't
accelerated. I had to re-install, having learned
that I should be more careful in future. No amount
of "driver cleaners" would restore DMA/DIME.

Obviously, you can have two different brands of
video cards in a computer at the same time. There are
likely to be some scenarios that are hard to resolve
(like one driver that has "taken" to two different
cards, when you really want some "newer" driver to
only be used for one of the cards). I don't know
all the answers to such complicated setups. I
did run two FX5200 AGP cards for a test once, and
that was enough "fun" with dual cards right there.
The cards would switch roles (who drive left monitor
and who drives right monitor), while the system
was running :-) I took that apart after
a couple days and returned to a single video card.

Paul


  #10  
Old November 20th 17, 05:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Posts: 326
Default Unable to "Standby" my ThinkPad T23 Laptop

SNIP
I think that means something related to video, is
blocking the states. The system states supported is in
pretty poor shape, as it's missing S3 and S4.

A couple Googles show people are trying to re-install
their video driver. You might take a look in Device
Manager (devmgmt.msc) first, and see whether everything
is clean and there are no yellow marks and so on.

Hi Paul,

There is a yellow (Device Manager) for "Other devices", "Video
Controller". The "Device Status": "The drivers for this device are not
installed (Code 28). This T23 laptop was given to me years ago. I will see
if I have the driver for this and give that a try.

I will let you (et al) know the results after (if) I find the video
driver.

Hi Paul,

UPDATE:

I found the display driver and installed it.

By golly, I now have "Standby" !!!

Many Thanks for your help, John

 




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