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  #286  
Old January 9th 20, 01:34 AM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 1/8/2020 3:01 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , AnonLinuxUser
wrote:

Well, you definitely did the research. Wife did have a step wave
UPS,
and the iMac started doing some strange things, (like emptying trash
that doesn't empty the trash and hang). Got her a pure sine wave UPS
and those problems disappeared.

unrelated and a coincidence.


Not a coincidence if you know your electronics well enough.

i do, and it is very much a coincidence. stepped sine waves won't cause
the trash not to empty.

The UPS stepped output can cause harmonics that the iMac power supply
can't handle. I put a new UPS pure wave output and the problem went
away.

false. imacs have no issue with stepped sine waves, nor do other macs.

But not in my case. Is it a faulty ps in the iMac? Could be, but the
pure sine wave output is a much better options.

pure sine wave is better but it cannot cause the symptoms you describe.


So you say.
Again, your credentials?


unlike you, extensive knowledge about macs, pcs and upses.

it's not possible for a stepped sine wave to cause only one app to hang.

you have also contradicted yourself, so we know the story is bull****.

Whether you put much
trust in the GeekSquad or not, they did say that some iMacs are affected
by this.

geeksquad? seriously?


Seriously. Not all of them are incompetent,


almost all of them are incompetent and the ones that aren't will soon
find much better jobs elsewhere.

and so far their
explanations do make sense.


they don't.

the claim that some macs are affected is simply false.

So I went up to another store and asked the same question.
Funny that the store won't stock the cheap stepped UPS, but they do
stock the better ones.

that means nothing.


Not to you, but it does to me.


all it means is one store chooses to sell higher end products. higher
end products generally have higher profits. best buy and the geek squad
doesn't cater to that market.

it says absolutely nothing about what happens when a cheapo ups is used
with a mac or any other device.

some devices do have issues. macs are not among them.

you also shouldn't be running anything off a ups for an extended period
of time anyway. it's for brief amounts of time, to safely shut down.

The UPS has about 2 hours of power before I have to shut down the iMac.

higher end upses that last that long normally are pure sinewave.


Yes, that is why I don't use the el-cheapos.


the el-cheapos don't run that long.

that said, i've run several different macs, pcs, upses and many other
devices for 30+ minutes off a cheap ups (stepped sine) without issue.


But not her iMac. It is not fun to have a hanging process. You have
to, in this instance, bring up Activity Monitor and force quit Finder.
Which, in this case, also mandates a restart.

no it definitely doesn't require a restart, nor is activity monitor
needed to force quit finder.


Hah. Now I know you are a fraud and troll.


ad hominem.

learn something for a change.

there are numerous ways to force-quit any app on a mac, including
finder, which does not involve using activity monitor or needing a
restart.

some of the most common ways include -

choose force-quit from the apple menu (or press command-option-escape),
then choose finder:
https://i0.wp.com/www.techjunkie.com...015/02/force-q
uit-menu.jpg

shift-click the apple menu to force-quit the frontmost app, skipping
the above window:
http://cdn.osxdaily.com/wp-content/u...quit-menu-shif
t-key.jpg

option + contextual-click the app's icon in the dock:
https://appletoolbox.com/wp-content/...nch-macOS-Find
er-via-Option-Key.jpg

in terminal, type:
killall Finder

that you think activity monitor is the only way to force-quit an app or
that a restart is required is clear proof you know next to nothing
about macs and makes *you* the fraud and troll.


Lack of any credentials noted.

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  #287  
Old January 9th 20, 02:48 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:27:28 +0000, David wrote:

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?

Will you point me in the general direction to learn more, please?


I see that Google is once again down in your area. It seems that they have
really let themselves go recently. Thankfully, they still work here and
everywhere except at your house.


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  #288  
Old January 9th 20, 03:00 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:27:28 +0000, David wrote:

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?


I think iMac users don't want to know what a VM is, so the answer to the
question is a moot point. It is a funny question though!
  #289  
Old January 9th 20, 03:09 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 1/8/20 7:00 PM, Bill wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:27:28 +0000, David wrote:

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?


I think iMac users don't want to know what a VM is, so the answer to the
question is a moot point. It is a funny question though!


If you need to run a Windows program or want to play with Linux a VM is
a great answer on a Mac.

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  #290  
Old January 9th 20, 04:52 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 18:27:28 +0000, David wrote:

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?

Will you point me in the general direction to learn more, please?


I see that Google is once again down in your area. It seems that they have
really let themselves go recently. Thankfully, they still work here and
everywhere except at your house.


https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

"VirtualBox 6.1.0 platform packages

OS X Hosts
"

https://download.virtualbox.org/virt...135406-OSX.dmg

My guess is "it costs zero".

You need the hardware to run it.
You need enough RAM for two OSes (Host and Guest).

Paul
  #291  
Old January 9th 20, 08:56 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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flatfish+++
news 15:18:49 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Joel
m Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is
a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you. Linux *IS JUST THE*
kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux.
Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called
"Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are. Linux was never imagined to be a
complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other
components come in. So, you could say that Android isn't Unix,
but not that it isn't Linux.

What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?


I didn't ask him. I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux
is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G



Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Did you notice the mention of Android? Seems that Linus considers
Android (surprise surprise) to be Linux too. It is using a Linux
kernel, after all. Even Google agrees. g


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  #292  
Old January 9th 20, 08:56 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Snit
Sun, 05 Jan 2020 17:30:35 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 1/5/20 8:18 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article ,
William Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android
is a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses
the standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you. Linux *IS JUST
THE* kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called
GNU/Linux. Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is
correctly called "Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are. Linux was
never imagined to be a complete implementation of Unix,
that's where "GNU" and other components come in. So, you
could say that Android isn't Unix, but not that it isn't
Linux.

What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?


I didn't ask him. I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that
Linux is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to
be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G



Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Interesting video. Thanks. And I agree with him that ChromeBooks
are a key way for Linux to get to the desktop... and his other
comments on Flatpak are interesting, too.


Flatpak is quite handy at times, actually. MX Linux has it. Some
other distros do as well. It's becoming more popular now. Sadly
though, one of the distro's that i've happily used for years now,
doesn't know what a flatpak is, and I seriously doubt, without some
major tweaking, it could be taught about them. let alone actually
support it, even with the aforementioned tweaking. I'm almost certain
too much underlying old code and libraries make it a no go.

But! I really really like that particular distro, it's the reason
I've chosen to continue running it, knowing full well it's old and no
longer officially supported by Mint; it's creator.

I will change all of the systems over to MX linux for consistency
amongst the masses soon enough. I just hate to see Minty KDE 17.3
(the best one for Mint distros, IMHO) go. It's served me well.

That's another thing I like about the linux community. Freedom of
choice. If I determine a particular distro is going someplace I don't
like for whatever reason, I'm free to switch to another distro; and
most likely, all of my linux based **** will work, with little to no
adjustment by me necessary.

When Microsoft decides to make major changes to the ****ing GUI, it's
forced upon you; they'll 'retire' your current OS and essentially
force you to upgrade to whatever they decide you should.

None of my linux machines have ever forced me to do anything; none of
them have told me, they're going to do some updates now whether I
like it or not, AND, the entire system is going to be unavailable to
me while it does so.

That reminds me, I can only think of a few (maybe three?) instances
any of my linux machines got an update of some kind that required
them to restart to finish the process. Hell, I couldn't even tell you
the last time I terminated programs before letting the updater do
it's thing. I've gotten so used to just doing the updates and it
closing things if it needs to, that I don't even think about it
anymore.

Maybe it's the particular distro's i've opted to run, maybe it's my
hardware (I highly doubt this as the hardware is a mix of alot of
different manufacturers from a variety of years).. Or maybe, just
maybe, some Linux distros are a hell of a lot more stable and
reliable than some people are willing to admit.

Oh, one more thing concerning the update process. I never, not one
single time, had an update issue cause the system to hang in an
applying updates, lemme reboot, applying updates, lemme reboot, loop,
of any kind. The few times I 'broke' the updater, I was greeted with
a very simple message to type a single command to a console window
and all would be well; and you know what, It was! on the first try,
no less.

Another thing is hardware failure issues. It's nice to be able to
swap out a mainboard and not have the OS demand you verify that you
paid for it. G Or have to actually reload the ****ing thing fresh,
or do some registry hacking bull**** to get it to redetect all
hardware and not use the old drivers for anything.

Windows ten has made some improvements in that department, but, the
boards have be a fairly close match chipset wise or it'll still ****
and moan. Linux oth, just works. Much less ****ing headache for me.

At the time, the Mint distro I'm still using claimed to be a mid size
distro package, MX Linux makes a similiar claim. I assure you, both
run exceptionally well on hardware much older than the suggested
minimums. I've run both distro's on systems that crawled under
windows 7, but, semi ok under XP.

MX Linux makes a good fit for many people. I've got 80 year old
clients happily using it on a daily basis. It runs on far more
hardware than Windows 10, or even Windows 7 would run well on; so can
keep older hardware away from a land fill for longer, if you still
have a use for the gear.

Setting up printer shares across a network is **** easy too, I mean,
seriously, easy! As is file/folder (directory) shares. If you have an
already existing windows 10 network, MX Linux will tie right in, no
trouble, easy to configure.

I've had far less aggravation with Linux based networking than I ever
did Windows. And, I'm certified for the latter. G

Here is there site: https://flatpak.org

Not the exact same as what I have been saying but a lot of
overlap. Would like to learn more of what they mean by a
"consistent application environment".


In laymens terms, a flatpak contains the application you want and
every single thing said application would need to run in a self
contained package. This relieves you of dependency issues and/or
distro specific build issues. A developer can, instead, now release a
single flatpak and cover a wider vareity of Linux distro's. No more
seperate packaging, compiling, etc. Everything the app needs to run
is inside the flatpak.

Think of the days of DOS when you created a directory, put the
program inside said directory and that was it's home. If you needed
to copy it to another computer, you copied the directory contents as
is and you were good to go; unless copy protection of some kind was
involved. It didn't matter the hardware or the specific
dos/windows/os2warp/nt version you were using, so long as it was
equal to or newer (for the dos interrupt calls to exist).

Or, what people are now calling 'portable apps' in the windows world.
Surprise surprise, it's the way in which some of us used to write our
software to be, self contained, didn't depend on a particular OS
having a specific dll/support file of any kind. Didn't have an
'installation' process. You unzipped it, you ran it, if you wanted to
'uninstall' it, you deleted the folder (directory) contents and that
was that. If configuration files of some kind were used, the program
kept them with it, in it's home. Not in windows or some place tossed
about all over the hard disk.

Then, along comes the Microsoft way of programming. And, well, heh,
you see how that's worked out for people. So well infact, a new
buzzword 'portable apps' has come into being; which is what used to
be done prior to Microsoft (oh, blessed be the great and powerful
that knows all Microsoft) deciding the 'new' way that was supposed to
be better. Better for them, and, only them.



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  #293  
Old January 9th 20, 08:56 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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nospam
Sun, 05 Jan 2020
09:29:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

In article , Diesel
wrote:

android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of
it is not relevant for a mobile device or android itself.


The keypoint, that you yourself agree, is that it's using a Linux
kernel. That makes it, Linux.


the kernel is linux, not the rest.


Which makes it Linux. The rest makes it the 'Android' distro,
nothing more.

Android is just as much a linux distro as redhat, slack,
debian, mint, etc are.

android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc.


It's using a linux kernel. It has it's own utilities and shell.
In those ways, it's the same as nearly any other linux distro.


if that were true, then you would be able to natively install
android apps on 'nearly any other linux distro' and linux apps on
an android phone.


That's not a very logical comparison, nospam. Going by your logic,
my router isn't Linux either, because I can't natively install any
of my desktop Linux apps on it.

As with my router, it's using a modified Linux Kernel. The
modifications are what seperates it from the gnu/linux distro's my
desktop PC's are using.

I can run Android apps on my PCs, I can even run the entire Android
OS on any of my PCs. That's nothing new, Where have you been? I'm
sure you'll tell me that macs are just as capable of running Android
OS as my Linux based open hardware standard PCs are, right?

since that's not possible, your assertion is false.


As I said, I can run Android OS and Android apps on my linux based
PCs. Your logic is faulty. Your claim that my assertion is false is
based on your faulty logic, Rendering such claim null and void.

You clearly misunderstood that very Google url you quoted. And
continued digging the hole, trying to defend your mistake, Rather
than, as is typical of you, admit you messed up and continue on like
a normal person would have.

What knowledge you've demonstrated, may/likely is, infact, coming
from google search results. Highly unlikely to be from first hand
knowledge or experience at this point. You've made too many mistakes
along the way for it to be otherwise.

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  #294  
Old January 9th 20, 08:56 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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nospam
Sun, 05 Jan 2020
09:29:29 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

In article , Diesel
wrote:

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-...d_not_linux.pn
g


No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the
age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My
servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux,
glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities
are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you
wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux.

i'm not the one saying it.

*google* states that android is not linux.


No, you misunderstood them.


there's nothing to misunderstand. it's very clear.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...uction-to-goog
le- andro id-for-developers/
Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the
platform has very little in common with the conventional
desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the
Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated
unambiguously that Android is not Linux.


They admit it's Linux. First sentence.


first sentence says it's built *on* *top* *of*, not is.


Are you trying to play semantics?

Nobody said it had to be
using a 'desktop' linux stack to be Linux. They took Linux kernel
source and heavily modified it for their own purposes, which is
perfectly fine. It's *still* a Linux kernel, so Android is
*still* Linux.


reread the last sentence:
Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously
that Android is not Linux.


It's not GNU/Linux (which is what most people unknowingly think linux
is), but, it IS linux. It's using a modified Linux kernel, so says
google.





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  #295  
Old January 9th 20, 08:56 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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"Jonathan N. Little"
Sun, 05 Jan 2020 15:32:59 GMT in
alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

nospam wrote:
In article , Diesel
wrote:

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-..._not_linux.png



No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the
age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My
servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux,
glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities
are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you
wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux.

i'm not the one saying it.

*google* states that android is not linux.

No, you misunderstood them.


there's nothing to misunderstand. it's very clear.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...uction-to-goog
le- andro id-for-developers/
Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the
platform has very little in common with the conventional
desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the
Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated
unambiguously that Android is not Linux.

They admit it's Linux. First sentence.


first sentence says it's built *on* *top* *of*, not is.


Okay. Linux is the kernel. What you make of it to use for servers,
desktops, routers, toasters, or your phone requires additional
components, shells, tool kits, etc. to provide the "interface"
with us, the humans. In other words *on* *top* *of*, i.e.
addition to, not *in place* of.

The reason Android apps don't run on GNU/Linux distributions is
not because of the kernel but the *stuff* in between the
application layer and the kernel. the stuff *on* *top* *of* the
kernel. Not like the almighty Mac of Independence Day that can
instantly interface with an extra-terrestrial OS to hack it. Only
in the movies not in reality.


I found it quite amazing that a superior alien species computer
system is going to have a way for a 20th century human mac (or
otherwise) based computer some way to interface with it, let alone
accept any 'code' from it that's suitable to run on it which would
cause them problems in some way shape or form. That reaked of, oh
****, we've spent so much time ****ing off, how do we bring the story
to a close?




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  #296  
Old January 9th 20, 08:56 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Snit
Sun, 05 Jan 2020 07:54:53 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Diesel wrote:
David
Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D


How so?


Can only answer for myself, but the integration between
applications on the desktop with each other and the OS services,
and the integration with my iOS devices, is a huge plus.


I think I follow you here...

I can give examples if you like.


Please do, if you wouldn't mind.


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Old January 9th 20, 03:37 PM posted to advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Thu, 09 Jan 2020 07:56:25 +0000, Diesel wrote:

nospam
Sun, 05 Jan 2020 09:29:28
GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

In article , Diesel
wrote:

android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of it is
not relevant for a mobile device or android itself.

The keypoint, that you yourself agree, is that it's using a Linux
kernel. That makes it, Linux.


the kernel is linux, not the rest.


Which makes it Linux. The rest makes it the 'Android' distro, nothing
more.

Android is just as much a linux distro as redhat, slack, debian,
mint, etc are.

android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc.

It's using a linux kernel. It has it's own utilities and shell. In
those ways, it's the same as nearly any other linux distro.


if that were true, then you would be able to natively install android
apps on 'nearly any other linux distro' and linux apps on an android
phone.


That's not a very logical comparison, nospam. Going by your logic, my
router isn't Linux either, because I can't natively install any of my
desktop Linux apps on it.


As with my router, it's using a modified Linux Kernel. The modifications
are what seperates it from the gnu/linux distro's my desktop PC's are
using.

I can run Android apps on my PCs, I can even run the entire Android OS on
any of my PCs. That's nothing new, Where have you been? I'm sure you'll
tell me that macs are just as capable of running Android OS as my Linux
based open hardware standard PCs are, right?

since that's not possible, your assertion is false.


As I said, I can run Android OS and Android apps on my linux based PCs.
Your logic is faulty. Your claim that my assertion is false is based on
your faulty logic, Rendering such claim null and void.

You clearly misunderstood that very Google url you quoted. And continued
digging the hole, trying to defend your mistake, Rather than, as is
typical of you, admit you messed up and continue on like a normal person
would have.

What knowledge you've demonstrated, may/likely is, infact, coming from
google search results. Highly unlikely to be from first hand knowledge or
experience at this point. You've made too many mistakes along the way for
it to be otherwise.


It's quite clear that "nospam" has NO idea about Linux & is just trolling.
Bin the moron, & move on.

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Old January 9th 20, 07:08 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 1/9/20 12:56 AM, Diesel wrote:
....
Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Interesting video. Thanks. And I agree with him that ChromeBooks
are a key way for Linux to get to the desktop... and his other
comments on Flatpak are interesting, too.


Flatpak is quite handy at times, actually. MX Linux has it. Some
other distros do as well. It's becoming more popular now. Sadly
though, one of the distro's that i've happily used for years now,
doesn't know what a flatpak is, and I seriously doubt, without some
major tweaking, it could be taught about them. let alone actually
support it, even with the aforementioned tweaking. I'm almost certain
too much underlying old code and libraries make it a no go.

But! I really really like that particular distro, it's the reason
I've chosen to continue running it, knowing full well it's old and no
longer officially supported by Mint; it's creator.

I will change all of the systems over to MX linux for consistency
amongst the masses soon enough. I just hate to see Minty KDE 17.3
(the best one for Mint distros, IMHO) go. It's served me well.

That's another thing I like about the linux community. Freedom of
choice. If I determine a particular distro is going someplace I don't
like for whatever reason, I'm free to switch to another distro; and
most likely, all of my linux based **** will work, with little to no
adjustment by me necessary.


As a person who likes to play with tech for the sake of doing so I get
this, but I also focus a lot on having choice in terms of what workflow
I want to have, and having software to do it.

For me Linux tends to offer less choice for many of the things I want to
do. There are times, though, like with my old media machine, where it
offers the best choice. Or in the case of Chrome OS it offers a cheaper
choice that gets the job (mostly) done.

When Microsoft decides to make major changes to the ****ing GUI, it's
forced upon you; they'll 'retire' your current OS and essentially
force you to upgrade to whatever they decide you should.

None of my linux machines have ever forced me to do anything; none of
them have told me, they're going to do some updates now whether I
like it or not, AND, the entire system is going to be unavailable to
me while it does so.


For me it is more important to think in terms of what tasks I want to
get done -- can I make a document with such-and-such features and do so
easily? The ol' rotate images is a oft discussed feature I brought up,
but there is a lot more... being able to easily share an online version,
for example, has been a bigger boon than I expected. And having a tabbed
word processor (like a tabbed web browser) has made things MUCH easier
for me... in ways I admit I did not expect. Tie this in with options for
a third party mouse so I can use the "next" and "previous" buttons to
jump from document to document, and then pretty easily go back to
earlier versions if needed to copy some old content I thought was not
needed, and I am really happy.

But I also pay the "entrance fee" for these types of choices, and when
Apple decides it is time to do away with 32 bit programs I either don't
upgrade or I have to go along with them. There are definitely pros and cons.

That reminds me, I can only think of a few (maybe three?) instances
any of my linux machines got an update of some kind that required
them to restart to finish the process. Hell, I couldn't even tell you
the last time I terminated programs before letting the updater do
it's thing. I've gotten so used to just doing the updates and it
closing things if it needs to, that I don't even think about it
anymore.

Maybe it's the particular distro's i've opted to run, maybe it's my
hardware (I highly doubt this as the hardware is a mix of alot of
different manufacturers from a variety of years).. Or maybe, just
maybe, some Linux distros are a hell of a lot more stable and
reliable than some people are willing to admit.


They require fewer reboots on update, but on updating of major versions
things can be harder. Mint and Ubuntu, for example, suggest just wiping
and starting from scratch (after backing up your data, of course).

Oh, one more thing concerning the update process. I never, not one
single time, had an update issue cause the system to hang in an
applying updates, lemme reboot, applying updates, lemme reboot, loop,
of any kind. The few times I 'broke' the updater, I was greeted with
a very simple message to type a single command to a console window
and all would be well; and you know what, It was! on the first try,
no less.

Another thing is hardware failure issues. It's nice to be able to
swap out a mainboard and not have the OS demand you verify that you
paid for it. G Or have to actually reload the ****ing thing fresh,
or do some registry hacking bull**** to get it to redetect all
hardware and not use the old drivers for anything.


Agreed. And with Macs it would be nice if AT LEAST with their desktop
machines you could more easily open them. I get wanting thin and light
on a laptop... but a desktop? Make it an inch thicker and let me open
the damned thing up!

Windows ten has made some improvements in that department, but, the
boards have be a fairly close match chipset wise or it'll still ****
and moan. Linux oth, just works. Much less ****ing headache for me.

At the time, the Mint distro I'm still using claimed to be a mid size
distro package, MX Linux makes a similiar claim. I assure you, both
run exceptionally well on hardware much older than the suggested
minimums. I've run both distro's on systems that crawled under
windows 7, but, semi ok under XP.

MX Linux makes a good fit for many people. I've got 80 year old
clients happily using it on a daily basis. It runs on far more
hardware than Windows 10, or even Windows 7 would run well on; so can
keep older hardware away from a land fill for longer, if you still
have a use for the gear.

Setting up printer shares across a network is **** easy too, I mean,
seriously, easy! As is file/folder (directory) shares. If you have an
already existing windows 10 network, MX Linux will tie right in, no
trouble, easy to configure.

I've had far less aggravation with Linux based networking than I ever
did Windows. And, I'm certified for the latter. G

Here is there site: https://flatpak.org

Not the exact same as what I have been saying but a lot of
overlap. Would like to learn more of what they mean by a
"consistent application environment".


In laymens terms, a flatpak contains the application you want and
every single thing said application would need to run in a self
contained package. This relieves you of dependency issues and/or
distro specific build issues. A developer can, instead, now release a
single flatpak and cover a wider vareity of Linux distro's. No more
seperate packaging, compiling, etc. Everything the app needs to run
is inside the flatpak.

Think of the days of DOS when you created a directory, put the
program inside said directory and that was it's home. If you needed
to copy it to another computer, you copied the directory contents as
is and you were good to go; unless copy protection of some kind was
involved. It didn't matter the hardware or the specific
dos/windows/os2warp/nt version you were using, so long as it was
equal to or newer (for the dos interrupt calls to exist).

Or, what people are now calling 'portable apps' in the windows world.
Surprise surprise, it's the way in which some of us used to write our
software to be, self contained, didn't depend on a particular OS
having a specific dll/support file of any kind. Didn't have an
'installation' process. You unzipped it, you ran it, if you wanted to
'uninstall' it, you deleted the folder (directory) contents and that
was that. If configuration files of some kind were used, the program
kept them with it, in it's home. Not in windows or some place tossed
about all over the hard disk.


Got it. That is actually how most Mac programs are "installed", though
Apple takes it a step further and has the folder icon set as a "bundle".
This means you cannot open it by double clicking (you can with a right
click option). For most uses it acts like a single file.

When you download Mac software it generally comes compressed in a disk
image. You open the disk image and there is an alias (shortcut) to your
Applications folder and a note to drag the app there. Drag it there (or
really to your desktop or elsewhere) and then just open it. It might ask
for permissions (this is becoming more common with newer macOS versions)
but then it "just works".

With the Linux solution it does not sound like they have gotten to
really working on some of the UI issues which confuse users: things like
programs using Quit / Exit interchangeably, or even worse Settings /
Preferences and where to even find them being in different places. I
know it would make things more complex, but at some point I hope the
Linux ecosystem grows so you can say you like it X way and most apps
will just follow your preferences.

Then, along comes the Microsoft way of programming. And, well, heh,
you see how that's worked out for people. So well infact, a new
buzzword 'portable apps' has come into being; which is what used to
be done prior to Microsoft (oh, blessed be the great and powerful
that knows all Microsoft) deciding the 'new' way that was supposed to
be better. Better for them, and, only them.





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Old January 9th 20, 07:17 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 1/9/20 12:56 AM, Diesel wrote:
Snit
Sun, 05 Jan 2020 07:54:53 GMT
in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

Diesel wrote:
David
Fri, 03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?


Can only answer for myself, but the integration between
applications on the desktop with each other and the OS services,
and the integration with my iOS devices, is a huge plus.


I think I follow you here...

I can give examples if you like.


Please do, if you wouldn't mind.


Just a few examples:

* I can be on my iPhone looking at a website and walk up to my iMac. One
click and the site is opened on my Mac. Almost as easy the other way around.

* I can be on a phone call on my iPhone and walk up to my iMac and
quickly switch to be talking with my headphones connected to my Mac.

* Even just on the Mac, I can create "services" which allow me to get
tasks done more easily. An example: when someone posts a Message ID I
can select that and then run my "Find Usenet Message by ID" service and
it pops up. On my current news reader I have to (gasp!) use the
application menu, but on most programs you can just right-click to get
to these services.

* I have similar services to look words up in various dictionaries and
the like... so if I want to know the meaning of a word I just right
click on it and select "Services Lookup in OneLook" or "Look up in
Urban Dictionary" or one of several other options and it happens. Yes, I
could copy the word, go to the site, paste the word, and then find it...
but much easier to just click and go. If it helps I can make you a video
to show this feature and how I use it.

* There is a tool called Automator that allows me to mix-and-match
features of programs, and do scripting myself (as poor of a scripter as
I am). This allows me to do things like open a set of documents and
websites with a single click and very little setup if I want to change
it, or do things others have talked about like download all recipes from
the home page of recipes.com, or even sillier things like automate
having my background color of my terminal change to match my background
image.

* I also use this feature so when I am viewing YouTube videos I can use
my "download Youtube" service and it offers me a selection of services.
I sometimes have to try a couple before it works -- such is the nature
of downloading YouTube (they really do not want you to be able to easily
do it).

Lots more, really...

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  #300  
Old January 9th 20, 07:51 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Snit
wrote:

Can only answer for myself, but the integration between
applications on the desktop with each other and the OS services,
and the integration with my iOS devices, is a huge plus.


I think I follow you here...

I can give examples if you like.


Please do, if you wouldn't mind.


Just a few examples:

* I can be on my iPhone looking at a website and walk up to my iMac. One
click and the site is opened on my Mac. Almost as easy the other way around.

* I can be on a phone call on my iPhone and walk up to my iMac and
quickly switch to be talking with my headphones connected to my Mac.

* Even just on the Mac, I can create "services" which allow me to get
tasks done more easily. An example: when someone posts a Message ID I
can select that and then run my "Find Usenet Message by ID" service and
it pops up. On my current news reader I have to (gasp!) use the
application menu, but on most programs you can just right-click to get
to these services.

* I have similar services to look words up in various dictionaries and
the like... so if I want to know the meaning of a word I just right
click on it and select "Services Lookup in OneLook" or "Look up in
Urban Dictionary" or one of several other options and it happens. Yes, I
could copy the word, go to the site, paste the word, and then find it...
but much easier to just click and go. If it helps I can make you a video
to show this feature and how I use it.

* There is a tool called Automator that allows me to mix-and-match
features of programs, and do scripting myself (as poor of a scripter as
I am). This allows me to do things like open a set of documents and
websites with a single click and very little setup if I want to change
it, or do things others have talked about like download all recipes from
the home page of recipes.com, or even sillier things like automate
having my background color of my terminal change to match my background
image.

* I also use this feature so when I am viewing YouTube videos I can use
my "download Youtube" service and it offers me a selection of services.
I sometimes have to try a couple before it works -- such is the nature
of downloading YouTube (they really do not want you to be able to easily
do it).

Lots more, really...


****loads more.

that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface.
 




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