Alternate Facebook account

Does anybody know how one can establish an alternate FB account? I am a
dual citizen and my name is not exactly the same in each country, so I'd
like to have separate accounts for my two names. When I try to register
a new account, the FB seems to know that I already have one and won't
let me get another one.

On 02/02/2020 18:07, DuoLingo wrote:
Does anybody know how one can establish an alternate FB account? I am
a dual citizen and my name is not exactly the same in each country, so
I'd like to have separate accounts for my two names. When I try to
register a new account, the FB seems to know that I already have one
and won't let me get another one.

Go and ask Mark Zuckerberg. We don't use Facebook here.

Nym-Shifter *******.

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DuoLingo wrote:
Does anybody know how one can establish an alternate FB account? I am a
dual citizen and my name is not exactly the same in each country, so I'd
like to have separate accounts for my two names. When I try to register
a new account, the FB seems to know that I already have one and won't
let me get another one.

You could give this a try.

"How do I add or edit a language-specific name on Facebook ..."

https://www.facebook.com/help/173049...f=uf_permalink

What should happen with that, is someone whose computer locale is
the same as yours, gets the name spelling you specified as your alternate.

*******

To fool Facebook, requires a browser which has been cleaned of DOM storage,
cookies, and the like.

To practice your cleaning skills, you can use this site.
It illustrates the concept of salting every possible storage
location on the browser, with "evidence". Nobody actually uses
the cookie file to store a cookie. They show off to their friends
by using other evil means.

https://samy.pl/evercookie/

You "set a cookie", exit the browser, try to clean it, and
see if that web page can "recover the cookie". If the cookie
cannot be recovered, then, you can clean the browser again
and head off to Facebook to create another account.

Note that Facebook might use Google tracking and Google might
use Facebook tracking. Never assume *anything* about who is
tracking you. (Google owns doubleclick for example, and doubleclick
was a notorious tracker.) Reboot the router so that your ISP provides a
fresh IP address, then try your hand at crafting a new identity.

I block Facebook domains here, so I can't even test anything. To read
the above web page, I used a virtual machine. Virtual Machines allow
the construction (at some cost), of nice neat clean pristine
computing environments (hint,hint).

Learning how to defeat Samy above, is just for fun. To see how
difficult it is to escape the "fishing net" that Facebook might
choose to use.

Paul

On 02/02/2020 20.34, Paul wrote:
DuoLingo wrote:
Does anybody know how one can establish an alternate FB account? I am
a dual citizen and my name is not exactly the same in each country, so
I'd like to have separate accounts for my two names. When I try to
register a new account, the FB seems to know that I already have one
and won't let me get another one.

You could give this a try.

"How do I add or edit a language-specific name on Facebook ..."

https://www.facebook.com/help/173049...f=uf_permalink

What should happen with that, is someone whose computer locale is
the same as yours, gets the name spelling you specified as your alternate.

*******

To fool Facebook, requires a browser which has been cleaned of DOM storage,
cookies, and the like.

You could use Firefox with a different profile. I do that all the time
in Linux, but I guess you can do it in Windows:

firefox -P Facebook_one --no-remote

firefox -P Facebook_two --no-remote

Surely you can create an startup file for one or the other. To create a
profile, use:

firefox --ProfileManager


This way, Facebook does not learn of my Amazon shopping, for instance
(yep, I have several profiles).

My default profile has forbidden cookies for Amazon and Facebook. Can't
login.

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DuoLingo wrote:
Does anybody know how one can establish an alternate FB account? I am a
dual citizen and my name is not exactly the same in each country, so I'd
like to have separate accounts for my two names. When I try to register
a new account, the FB seems to know that I already have one and won't
let me get another one.

If you're using the same email to log in, well, of course, they know
it's you. Use a different email and password for your new account.

On Sun, 02 Feb 2020 14:34:44 -0500, Paul wrote:

DuoLingo wrote:
Does anybody know how one can establish an alternate FB account? I am a
dual citizen and my name is not exactly the same in each country, so I'd
like to have separate accounts for my two names. When I try to register
a new account, the FB seems to know that I already have one and won't
let me get another one.

You could give this a try.

"How do I add or edit a language-specific name on Facebook ..."

https://www.facebook.com/help/173049...f=uf_permalink

What should happen with that, is someone whose computer locale is
the same as yours, gets the name spelling you specified as your alternate.

*******

To fool Facebook, requires a browser which has been cleaned of DOM storage,
cookies, and the like.

To practice your cleaning skills, you can use this site.
It illustrates the concept of salting every possible storage
location on the browser, with "evidence". Nobody actually uses
the cookie file to store a cookie. They show off to their friends
by using other evil means.

https://samy.pl/evercookie/

You "set a cookie", exit the browser, try to clean it, and
see if that web page can "recover the cookie". If the cookie
cannot be recovered, then, you can clean the browser again
and head off to Facebook to create another account.

Note that Facebook might use Google tracking and Google might
use Facebook tracking. Never assume *anything* about who is
tracking you. (Google owns doubleclick for example, and doubleclick
was a notorious tracker.) Reboot the router so that your ISP provides a
fresh IP address, then try your hand at crafting a new identity.

On US-based cable systems, for example, simply rebooting the router isn't
going to give you a new WAN IP address, but changing the CPE MAC and then
rebooting the router should do so. I'm not sure how DSL systems treat that
scenario.


I block Facebook domains here, so I can't even test anything. To read
the above web page, I used a virtual machine. Virtual Machines allow
the construction (at some cost), of nice neat clean pristine
computing environments (hint,hint).

Learning how to defeat Samy above, is just for fun. To see how
difficult it is to escape the "fishing net" that Facebook might
choose to use.

Char Jackson wrote:


On US-based cable systems, for example, simply rebooting the router isn't
going to give you a new WAN IP address, but changing the CPE MAC and then
rebooting the router should do so. I'm not sure how DSL systems treat that
scenario.

I'm not convinced that anyone in the web industry uses
IP address alone as a "personal identifier".

If you had, say two other "facts" to go on, and the IP address
also remained the same, you could use it as a "correlating factor".

But by itself, if all the cookies were deleted, I don't think
an IP alone would be enough to conclude the applicant was
the same person.

There are reasons for this, such as scenarios where a large
number of subscribers "hide" behind the same external WAN address.
Maybe 30 people sitting at a Starbucks ? :-)

I just mentioned rebooting the router as part of
a "schtick" or routine for privacy.

By the way, I've noticed this week that Google has
concluded "I'm in a different place". Maybe my cookie
deleting routine really works ? Naw. They're just
jerking my chain.

Paul

On 2/3/2020 7:21 AM, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:


On US-based cable systems, for example, simply rebooting the router isn't
going to give you a new WAN IP address, but changing the CPE MAC and then
rebooting the router should do so. I'm not sure how DSL systems treat
that
scenario.

I'm not convinced that anyone in the web industry uses
IP address alone as a "personal identifier".

If you had, say two other "facts" to go on, and the IP address
also remained the same, you could use it as a "correlating factor".

But by itself, if all the cookies were deleted, I don't think
an IP alone would be enough to conclude the applicant was
the same person.

There are reasons for this, such as scenarios where a large
number of subscribers "hide" behind the same external WAN address.
Maybe 30 people sitting at a Starbucks ? :-)

I just mentioned rebooting the router as part of
a "schtick" or routine for privacy.

By the way, I've noticed this week that Google has
concluded "I'm in a different place". Maybe my cookie
deleting routine really works ? Naw. They're just
jerking my chain.

** Paul

This all looks too complicated for a situation that is not all that
unique. There are plenty of dual citizens after all.

I was wondering if starting on a brand new PC or mobile phone might be
the most convenient way to set up an alternate FB account.

On 03/02/2020 11:46, DuoLingo wrote:
On 2/3/2020 7:21 AM, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:


On US-based cable systems, for example, simply rebooting the router
isn't
going to give you a new WAN IP address, but changing the CPE MAC and
then
rebooting the router should do so. I'm not sure how DSL systems treat
that
scenario.

I'm not convinced that anyone in the web industry uses
IP address alone as a "personal identifier".

If you had, say two other "facts" to go on, and the IP address
also remained the same, you could use it as a "correlating factor".

But by itself, if all the cookies were deleted, I don't think
an IP alone would be enough to conclude the applicant was
the same person.

There are reasons for this, such as scenarios where a large
number of subscribers "hide" behind the same external WAN address.
Maybe 30 people sitting at a Starbucks ? :-)

I just mentioned rebooting the router as part of
a "schtick" or routine for privacy.

By the way, I've noticed this week that Google has
concluded "I'm in a different place". Maybe my cookie
deleting routine really works ? Naw. They're just
jerking my chain.

*** Paul

This all looks too complicated for a situation that is not all that
unique. There are plenty of dual citizens after all.

I was wondering if starting on a brand new PC or mobile phone might be
the most convenient way to set up an alternate FB account.

If money is no object, that WOULD work - as long as you use a different
email address.

You could also pop in to your local library or Internet cafe and set up
your new Facebook account there (using a different email address to your
usual one).

HTH

In article , DuoLingo
wrote:


I was wondering if starting on a brand new PC or mobile phone might be
the most convenient way to set up an alternate FB account.

definitely not.

using another browser is the easiest. a virtual machine is another
option. clearing cookies from your regular browser will also work but
not that convenient.

Paul wrote:
[...]
I'm not convinced that anyone in the web industry uses
IP address alone as a "personal identifier".

If you had, say two other "facts" to go on, and the IP address
also remained the same, you could use it as a "correlating factor".

But by itself, if all the cookies were deleted, I don't think
an IP alone would be enough to conclude the applicant was
the same person.

There are reasons for this, such as scenarios where a large
number of subscribers "hide" behind the same external WAN address.
Maybe 30 people sitting at a Starbucks ? :-)

Not only a large number of users, but even for just more than one
user.

Case in point: A few days ago, I searched for a hotel in some town.
After that, I got splattered (in my web browsers) with ads for hotels in
that town, but SWMBO - who shares the same IP-address (simple NAT
'router') - got none. (This is just one example, but I've had many other
similar ones.)

So indeed an IP-address alone is not usable and not used as a
"personal identifier".

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