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  #256  
Old February 6th 20, 07:21 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Is it normal for a laptop to not provide 12V on SATA?

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 00:40:30 -0000, Snit wrote:

On 2/5/20 5:23 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 23:20:38 -0000, Snit
wrote:

On 2/5/20 4:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 20:40:08 -0000, Snit
wrote:

On 2/5/20 12:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:59:28 -0000, Snit

wrote:

But, yes,
we have those here -- I have a bunch of extras even though I tossed
many
cables a year or so ago. It got silly. Apple even makes them with a
circle on them for no real reason... but it makes them worth twice
the
cost.

https://beetstech.com/product/imac-a...hoCOqEQAvD_BwE



ROFL, I remember those, I was told off once by an Apple nut for just
using a kettle lead. Apparently a lead capable of powering a 3kW
kettle
at 13A wasn't good enough for his precious mac. Then I pointed out
the
notch in it which indicated it was heat resistant and he shut up.

You mean the Apple ones are not magical?

Nope, it's all a big con by Jobs.... er.... whatever his new incarnation
is called.

Actually the cord is not $37 or something like that.

What is it then? Because most cords are much cheaper than that. In
fact at my last place of work I bought a job lot on Ebay for £50. About
400 of them. Did the same with SCART leads. I only needed about 10,
the other 390 I just sent a global email and placed them in a corridor
with a sign saying "please take one". They went fairly quick.


You can find them on the Apple Store as easily as I. Under $20... do not
remember.


Still way too much for a kettle lead.


I know I have never bought one (alone).

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  #257  
Old February 6th 20, 07:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Is it normal for a laptop to not provide 12V on SATA?

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 2/5/20 7:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article op.0fjboz0mwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

Now we can debate which are male and female plugs.

Can you get a transgender plug? The answer now I think of it is
yes. An
engineer once told me you can get er... I forget the name, but it's
got the
word male and female in it. The outer shell can be one sex and the
inner
another. Something to do with pins in a shroud or something.

one example of many:
https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/2/6/4/12748-01.jpg
https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/7/3/6/3/11476-01.jpg

So what are they called? There is an official name for the
LGBTQXDEF plugs.....


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector


I use net gender. The one that's put on the board is female, since the
part that sticks out is still within the part that sticks in.

The one on the cord is male since it sticks out more.


On power carrying situations, the source end should be
female. Which means, if the female connector is dropped onto
a steel plate, there is no danger of the connector shorting out.
The conductors should be shaped, to discourage coincidental contact.
The higher the voltage, the more attention to detail required.

Yet, on this page and others, the sense of the barrel case seems
to be different. If you compare the logic to how they figure out
the other ones, the barrel declaration doesn't make sense to me.

https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials...wer-connectors

Paul
  #258  
Old February 6th 20, 11:51 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Is it normal for a laptop to not provide 12V on SATA?

On 06/02/2020 18:14, Snit wrote:
David wrote:
On 06/02/2020 17:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:33:13 -0000, Snit
wrote:

On 2/6/20 2:47 AM, jeremy wrote:
In article ,

says...
I know because I saw them and asked an employee how long it
would take
to charge my car. She had no idea... sigh.

Show me a link to one or forever hold your piece.

You have never heard of a USB Car Charger?

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-...ess/2407770011


that doesn't charge a car.

You are a genius! LOL!

Congrats on completely missing the joke. I have used the same joke on a
number of the employees at the dollar store and most get it. One did
not. Now we see someone else who did not. Fair enough.


Says more about the employees at the dollar store if you ask me.


Well, most got it (2 or 3 others). Only one did not.

Don't give up the day job, your jokes are pathetic.


Just opened a can of worms. They don't do much. Not the chaos I was
expecting.


Will you hold the worms in your mouth?

Likely not. I won’t wait with baited breath for you to do so.


*Groan* ;-)
  #259  
Old February 6th 20, 11:55 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David wrote:
On 06/02/2020 18:14, Snit wrote:
David wrote:
On 06/02/2020 17:15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:33:13 -0000, Snit
wrote:

On 2/6/20 2:47 AM, jeremy wrote:
In article ,

says...
I know because I saw them and asked an employee how long it
would take
to charge my car. She had no idea... sigh.

Show me a link to one or forever hold your piece.

You have never heard of a USB Car Charger?

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-...ess/2407770011


that doesn't charge a car.

You are a genius! LOL!

Congrats on completely missing the joke. I have used the same joke on a
number of the employees at the dollar store and most get it. One did
not. Now we see someone else who did not. Fair enough.


Says more about the employees at the dollar store if you ask me.


Well, most got it (2 or 3 others). Only one did not.

Don't give up the day job, your jokes are pathetic.

Just opened a can of worms. They don't do much. Not the chaos I was
expecting.


Will you hold the worms in your mouth?

Likely not. I won’t wait with baited breath for you to do so.


*Groan* ;-)


Hook, line, and sinker.

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  #260  
Old February 7th 20, 09:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 05/02/2020 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:54:44 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fhldi1pwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The USB sockets on my iMac are vertical!

https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-ipad-3606871/

Trust Apple to confuse things even more.


many pcs have vertical usb ports, as do many displays.

any tower pc that is used in a rack will have vertical usb ports in one
of its orientations.


But a tower PC is simply a desktop PC on its side, we all know which way
is "up".* But a mac, who knows with their fancy girly fashion
statements.* Clearly a woman designed the case, then a man tried to fit
the components inside.


Haha! :-D Nope - it was an English MAN who designed the Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

He's owned some great cars! ;-)

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  #261  
Old February 7th 20, 09:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default Is it normal for a laptop to not provide 12V on SATA?

On 06/02/2020 01:55, nospam wrote:
[...]
iphones have been getting thicker in recent years, one reason to hold a
larger battery.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14892/96171.png


There was no iPhone 11 in 2016 - you've doctored your evidence!

  #262  
Old February 7th 20, 01:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David wrote:
On 06/02/2020 01:55, nospam wrote:
[...]
iphones have been getting thicker in recent years, one reason to hold a
larger battery.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14892/96171.png


There was no iPhone 11 in 2016 - you've doctored your evidence!


Um, the title at the top of the graph, is the "year version"
of the test software. It's a 2016 test suite, executed in
a later year. You might use a 2016 test suite, to test
and compare materials from 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019.

The more times you can reuse the *same* test suite, the taller
the graphic gets because you have more entries. Those
graphics don't become that tall, by the reviewer being lazy.

But eventually, a test suite no longer does a good job
of teasing out nuances in new devices, and then you have
to make a new test suite. Then the graphic has practically
no entries in it - they don't really like to go back and
retest all those devices, if those devices are no longer
on-site and were returned.

You can see how the dating thing works, in their "Benches" stuff.

https://www.anandtech.com/bench/GPU13/583

Paul
  #263  
Old February 7th 20, 02:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default Is it normal for a laptop to not provide 12V on SATA?

In article , David
wrote:

iphones have been getting thicker in recent years, one reason to hold a
larger battery.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14892/96171.png


There was no iPhone 11 in 2016 - you've doctored your evidence!


nobody said there was.

stop babbling about things you do not understand.
  #264  
Old February 7th 20, 03:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 2/7/20 1:41 AM, David wrote:
On 05/02/2020 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:54:44 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fhldi1pwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The USB sockets on my iMac are vertical!

https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-ipad-3606871/

Trust Apple to confuse things even more.

many pcs have vertical usb ports, as do many displays.

any tower pc that is used in a rack will have vertical usb ports in one
of its orientations.


But a tower PC is simply a desktop PC on its side, we all know which
way is "up".* But a mac, who knows with their fancy girly fashion
statements.* Clearly a woman designed the case, then a man tried to
fit the components inside.


Haha! :-D Nope - it was an English MAN who designed the Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

He's owned some great cars! ;-)


I liked a lot of his design but did not understand his obsession with
thinness for desktops.

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somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
  #265  
Old February 7th 20, 04:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 07/02/2020 13:09, nospam wrote:
In article , David
wrote:

iphones have been getting thicker in recent years, one reason to hold a
larger battery.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14892/96171.png


There was no iPhone 11 in 2016 - you've doctored your evidence!


nobody said there was.


What's the title of the image to which you provided a link?

Yes! Web Browsing Battery Life ---- 2016

stop babbling about things you do not understand.


I will if you will! :-P

  #266  
Old February 7th 20, 04:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 07/02/2020 14:07, Snit wrote:
On 2/7/20 1:41 AM, David wrote:
On 05/02/2020 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:54:44 -0000, nospam
wrote:

In article op.0fhldi1pwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The USB sockets on my iMac are vertical!


https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-ipad-3606871/

Trust Apple to confuse things even more.

many pcs have vertical usb ports, as do many displays.

any tower pc that is used in a rack will have vertical usb ports in one
of its orientations.

But a tower PC is simply a desktop PC on its side, we all know which
way is "up".* But a mac, who knows with their fancy girly fashion
statements.* Clearly a woman designed the case, then a man tried to
fit the components inside.


Haha! :-D Nope - it was an English MAN who designed the Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

He's owned some great cars! ;-)


I liked a lot of his design but did not understand his obsession with
thinness for desktops.


I rather agree - I only ever look at my machines from the front! ;-)

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  #267  
Old February 7th 20, 04:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default Is it normal for a laptop to not provide 12V on SATA?

In article , David
wrote:

iphones have been getting thicker in recent years, one reason to hold a
larger battery.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14892/96171.png

There was no iPhone 11 in 2016 - you've doctored your evidence!


nobody said there was.


What's the title of the image to which you provided a link?

Yes! Web Browsing Battery Life ---- 2016


that's the test suite used, not when the test was done.

you haven't a ****ing clue.
  #268  
Old February 7th 20, 04:17 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David wrote:
On 07/02/2020 14:07, Snit wrote:
On 2/7/20 1:41 AM, David wrote:
On 05/02/2020 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:54:44 -0000, nospam
wrote:

In article op.0fhldi1pwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The USB sockets on my iMac are vertical!


https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-ipad-3606871/

Trust Apple to confuse things even more.

many pcs have vertical usb ports, as do many displays.

any tower pc that is used in a rack will have vertical usb ports in one
of its orientations.

But a tower PC is simply a desktop PC on its side, we all know which
way is "up".Â* But a mac, who knows with their fancy girly fashion
statements.Â* Clearly a woman designed the case, then a man tried to
fit the components inside.

Haha! :-D Nope - it was an English MAN who designed the Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

He's owned some great cars! ;-)


I liked a lot of his design but did not understand his obsession with
thinness for desktops.


I rather agree - I only ever look at my machines from the front! ;-)


And on the front would it hurt to have a USB port or four?

I get that impacts the look — but esp with keyboards no longer acting as
hubs I would prefer it.

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.
  #269  
Old February 7th 20, 06:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 07/02/2020 15:14, nospam wrote:
In article , David
wrote:

iphones have been getting thicker in recent years, one reason to hold a
larger battery.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14892/96171.png

There was no iPhone 11 in 2016 - you've doctored your evidence!

nobody said there was.


What's the title of the image to which you provided a link?

Yes! Web Browsing Battery Life ---- 2016


that's the test suite used, not when the test was done.

you haven't a ****ing clue.


When WAS the test done, know-all?
  #270  
Old February 7th 20, 06:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default Is it normal for a laptop to not provide 12V on SATA?

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:55:45 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fi9ihivwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

micro-usb3 is actually two connectors fused together - the older
micro-usb plug plus the extra lines for usb3.

that makes it compatible with micro-usb 2 cables, which will result in
slower speeds.

That's asking for trouble, like my neighbour plugging a USB cable
into an ethernet port.

nothing like that at all.

micro-usb3 was designed that way and it's fully supported.


The general public should not be encouraged to push a round thing into a
square hole.


micro-usb is neither round nor square.


Seriously? The analogy confused you that much?

The average IQ is 100, which is abysmal.


even someone with an iq of 100 understands backwards compatibility.


But 50% of people are below that average.
 




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