Is it normal for a laptop to not provide 12V on SATA?

In article , David
wrote:

iphones have been getting thicker in recent years, one reason to hold a
larger battery.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14892/96171.png

There was no iPhone 11 in 2016 - you've doctored your evidence!

nobody said there was.

What's the title of the image to which you provided a link?

Yes! Web Browsing Battery Life ---- 2016

that's the test suite used, not when the test was done.

you haven't a ****ing clue.

When WAS the test done, know-all?

you're so ****ing clueless that you think someone doctored an image and
then uploaded back to anandtech without anyone noticing???

the iphone 11 was tested sometime after september 20, when the iphone
11 was released and before the review was posted on october 16, 2019:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14892...pro-and-max-re
view/8
The Apple iPhone 11, 11 Pro & 11 Pro Max Review: Performance,
Battery, & Camera Elevated
by Andrei Frumusanu on October 16, 2019 8:30 AM EST

On 2/7/20 10:21 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:55:45 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fi9ihivwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

micro-usb3 is actually two connectors fused together - the older
micro-usb plug plus the extra lines for usb3.

that makes it compatible with micro-usb 2 cables, which will
result in
slower speeds.

That's asking for trouble, like my neighbour plugging a USB cable
into an ethernet port.

nothing like that at all.

micro-usb3 was designed that way and it's fully supported.

The general public should not be encouraged to push a round thing into a
square hole.

micro-usb is neither round nor square.

Seriously?* The analogy confused you that much?

LOL!

The average IQ is 100, which is abysmal.

even someone with an iq of 100 understands backwards compatibility.

But 50% of people are below that average.

Not necessarily.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 07/02/2020 15:17, Snit wrote:
David wrote:
On 07/02/2020 14:07, Snit wrote:
On 2/7/20 1:41 AM, David wrote:
On 05/02/2020 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:54:44 -0000, nospam
wrote:

In article op.0fhldi1pwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The USB sockets on my iMac are vertical!


https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-ipad-3606871/

Trust Apple to confuse things even more.

many pcs have vertical usb ports, as do many displays.

any tower pc that is used in a rack will have vertical usb ports in one
of its orientations.

But a tower PC is simply a desktop PC on its side, we all know which
way is "up".Â* But a mac, who knows with their fancy girly fashion
statements.Â* Clearly a woman designed the case, then a man tried to
fit the components inside.

Haha! :-D Nope - it was an English MAN who designed the Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

He's owned some great cars! ;-)


I liked a lot of his design but did not understand his obsession with
thinness for desktops.

I rather agree - I only ever look at my machines from the front! ;-)


And on the front would it hurt to have a USB port or four?

There's bound to be a reason why they aren't positioned there (apart
from spoiling the look!).

I get that impacts the look — but esp with keyboards no longer acting as
hubs I would prefer it.

Regardless - we both manage! :-)

--
David

David wrote:
On 07/02/2020 15:17, Snit wrote:
David wrote:
On 07/02/2020 14:07, Snit wrote:
On 2/7/20 1:41 AM, David wrote:
On 05/02/2020 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:54:44 -0000, nospam
wrote:

In article op.0fhldi1pwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The USB sockets on my iMac are vertical!


https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-ipad-3606871/

Trust Apple to confuse things even more.

many pcs have vertical usb ports, as do many displays.

any tower pc that is used in a rack will have vertical usb ports in one
of its orientations.

But a tower PC is simply a desktop PC on its side, we all know which
way is "up".Â* But a mac, who knows with their fancy girly fashion
statements.Â* Clearly a woman designed the case, then a man tried to
fit the components inside.

Haha! :-D Nope - it was an English MAN who designed the Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

He's owned some great cars! ;-)


I liked a lot of his design but did not understand his obsession with
thinness for desktops.

I rather agree - I only ever look at my machines from the front! ;-)


And on the front would it hurt to have a USB port or four?

There's bound to be a reason why they aren't positioned there (apart
from spoiling the look!).

I think looks are part of it, but when made to be so thin it is hard to
place ports scattered.

I get that impacts the look — but esp with keyboards no longer acting as
hubs I would prefer it.

Regardless - we both manage! :-)

Oh sure. And prefer the Mac to to competition.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks
and ignore the message time and time again.

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:52:01 -0000, Snit wrote:

David wrote:
On 07/02/2020 15:17, Snit wrote:
David wrote:
On 07/02/2020 14:07, Snit wrote:
On 2/7/20 1:41 AM, David wrote:
On 05/02/2020 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:54:44 -0000, nospam
wrote:

In article op.0fhldi1pwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The USB sockets on my iMac are vertical!


https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-ipad-3606871/

Trust Apple to confuse things even more.

many pcs have vertical usb ports, as do many displays.

any tower pc that is used in a rack will have vertical usb ports in one
of its orientations.

But a tower PC is simply a desktop PC on its side, we all know which
way is "up". But a mac, who knows with their fancy girly fashion
statements. Clearly a woman designed the case, then a man tried to
fit the components inside.

Haha! :-D Nope - it was an English MAN who designed the Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

He's owned some great cars! ;-)


I liked a lot of his design but did not understand his obsession with
thinness for desktops.

I rather agree - I only ever look at my machines from the front! ;-)


And on the front would it hurt to have a USB port or four?

There's bound to be a reason why they aren't positioned there (apart
from spoiling the look!).

I think looks are part of it, but when made to be so thin it is hard to
place ports scattered.

I get that impacts the look — but esp with keyboards no longer acting as
hubs I would prefer it.

Regardless - we both manage! :-)

Oh sure. And prefer the Mac to to competition.

[Laughs at Mac problems]
PCs just have USB everywhere, on the back, on the front, on the side of the monitor, .....

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 08:41:27 -0000, David wrote:

On 05/02/2020 20:41, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Wed, 05 Feb 2020 00:54:44 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fhldi1pwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The USB sockets on my iMac are vertical!

https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/m...-ipad-3606871/

Trust Apple to confuse things even more.

many pcs have vertical usb ports, as do many displays.

any tower pc that is used in a rack will have vertical usb ports in one
of its orientations.

But a tower PC is simply a desktop PC on its side, we all know which way
is "up". But a mac, who knows with their fancy girly fashion
statements. Clearly a woman designed the case, then a man tried to fit
the components inside.

Haha! :-D Nope - it was an English MAN who designed the Mac.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jony_Ive

He's owned some great cars! ;-)

He looks gay.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:55:46 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fjbh1imwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:


many smartphones are water resistant to ip67 or better, and rain won't
make a difference anyway.

Impossible if there's a hole.

very possible, given that numerous phones *with* holes are ip67 or
better.

the holes are sealed.

Ever looked inside one? I have, on a phone which claimed to be IP67. I
could clearly see an easy pathway for the water to get to the main board.
Not surprisingly, the owner declined to try dropping it in water.

opening it breaks the seals.

When did I say I opened it? Perhaps you should learn English, and while
you're at it, learn what a capital letter is.

you said you looked inside.

the only way to do that is by opening it.

looking into a hole is not going to tell you *anything* about how well
sealed it is.

Never heard of a torch?

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:55:47 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fjbjjsnwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

others have, especially for laptops which need *much* more than 2a and
use usb-c chargers.

The (USB-C) charger for my small laptop (Lenovo T480s) is marked:

Output: 20V 3.25A / 15A 3A / 9V 2A / 5V 2A

Supposedly, USB connectors can handle 5A.

You can't charge a laptop with that. My laptop PSU is 19V 5A.

maybe not yours, but quite a few laptops charge from usb-c

Silly little ones maybe.

not so silly and not so little.

Well if you can get 100W out of USB-C, then that would power any laptop. But "Output: 20V 3.25A / 15A 3A / 9V 2A / 5V 2A" above (from who I don't know as you stupidly snipped the references) doesn't go to 100W.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-laptops-charge-power-bank/

That site gets annoyed when I use an adblocker, show me a legitimate site.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:47:21 -0000, Mark Lloyd wrote:


[snip]

maybe not yours, but quite a few laptops charge from usb-c

Silly little ones maybe.

not so silly and not so little.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-laptops-charge-power-bank/

I got a power bank last year with the Lenovo laptop. It was on sale for
1 cent. The stated output is 45W (20V 2.25A or 15V/9V/5V 3A). It was
enough to operate the laptop after it shut down because of low battery.

1 cent?!?

In article op.0fmxbjf0wdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:


You can't charge a laptop with that. My laptop PSU is 19V 5A.

maybe not yours, but quite a few laptops charge from usb-c

Silly little ones maybe.

not so silly and not so little.

Well if you can get 100W out of USB-C, then that would power any laptop. But
"Output: 20V 3.25A / 15A 3A / 9V 2A / 5V 2A" above (from who I don't know as
you stupidly snipped the references) doesn't go to 100W.

https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd
€ Increased power levels from existing USB standards up to 100W.

https://www.anker.com/products/variant/powerport-atom-pd-4/A2041122
Super Power - Provides an enormous 100W of charging power - enough to
charge 2 USB-C laptops and 2 smartphones at the same time

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-laptops-charge-power-bank/

That site gets annoyed when I use an adblocker, show me a legitimate site.

it also doesn't care if you override it, but see above for more.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:54:03 -0000, Paul wrote:

Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 2/5/20 7:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article op.0fjboz0mwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

Now we can debate which are male and female plugs.

Can you get a transgender plug? The answer now I think of it is
yes. An
engineer once told me you can get er... I forget the name, but it's
got the
word male and female in it. The outer shell can be one sex and the
inner
another. Something to do with pins in a shroud or something.

one example of many:
https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/2/6/4/12748-01.jpg
https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/7/3/6/3/11476-01.jpg

So what are they called? There is an official name for the
LGBTQXDEF plugs.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector

I use net gender. The one that's put on the board is female, since the
part that sticks out is still within the part that sticks in.

The one on the cord is male since it sticks out more.


On power carrying situations, the source end should be
female. Which means, if the female connector is dropped onto
a steel plate, there is no danger of the connector shorting out.
The conductors should be shaped, to discourage coincidental contact.
The higher the voltage, the more attention to detail required.

The stupidest thing I've seen are wall warts to charge say a small vacuum cleaner, which have a 3.5mm jack (normally used for headphones) on the end. If you plug in the wall wart first, then connect it to the device, you temporarily short the wall wart as you plug it in. A 3.5mm jack is for audio, not power.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:55:49 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fjboz0mwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

Now we can debate which are male and female plugs.

Can you get a transgender plug? The answer now I think of it is yes. An
engineer once told me you can get er... I forget the name, but it's got the
word male and female in it. The outer shell can be one sex and the inner
another. Something to do with pins in a shroud or something.

one example of many:
https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/2/6/4/12748-01.jpg
https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/7/3/6/3/11476-01.jpg

So what are they called? There is an official name for the LGBTQXDEF plugs.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector

I'm looking for the generic term to describe a connector that is male and female at once. I.e. the outer shell might be male (it fits inside the receptacle), but the connectors are female, like the IEC plug used in the UK for kettles and computers.

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:28:58 -0000, Snit wrote:

On 2/7/20 10:21 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:55:45 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article op.0fi9ihivwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

micro-usb3 is actually two connectors fused together - the older
micro-usb plug plus the extra lines for usb3.

that makes it compatible with micro-usb 2 cables, which will
result in
slower speeds.

That's asking for trouble, like my neighbour plugging a USB cable
into an ethernet port.

nothing like that at all.

micro-usb3 was designed that way and it's fully supported.

The general public should not be encouraged to push a round thing into a
square hole.

micro-usb is neither round nor square.

Seriously? The analogy confused you that much?

LOL!

The average IQ is 100, which is abysmal.

even someone with an iq of 100 understands backwards compatibility.

But 50% of people are below that average.

Not necessarily.

It's how IQ is defined.

On 2/7/20 2:49 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:28:58 -0000, Snit
wrote:

On 2/7/20 10:21 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 01:55:45 -0000, nospam
wrote:

In article op.0fi9ihivwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:

micro-usb3 is actually two connectors fused together - the older
micro-usb plug plus the extra lines for usb3.

that makes it compatible with micro-usb 2 cables, which will
result in
slower speeds.

That's asking for trouble, like my neighbour plugging a USB cable
into an ethernet port.

nothing like that at all.

micro-usb3 was designed that way and it's fully supported.

The general public should not be encouraged to push a round thing
into a
square hole.

micro-usb is neither round nor square.

Seriously?* The analogy confused you that much?

LOL!

The average IQ is 100, which is abysmal.

even someone with an iq of 100 understands backwards compatibility.

But 50% of people are below that average.

Not necessarily.

It's how IQ is defined.

Nope. The *mean* is 100, not the median.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Fri, 07 Feb 2020 15:14:05 -0000, nospam wrote:

In article , David
wrote:

iphones have been getting thicker in recent years, one reason to hold a
larger battery.

https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph14892/96171.png

There was no iPhone 11 in 2016 - you've doctored your evidence!

nobody said there was.

What's the title of the image to which you provided a link?

Yes! Web Browsing Battery Life ---- 2016

that's the test suite used, not when the test was done.

That's not what it says on the image. "Web browsing battery life 2016" suggests the test was done in 2016.