AV spying. Surprised?

David,

How much further CAN one go, Rudy?

Obviously, you're not paranoid (enough). :-p

On the other hand, you're just here to troll and provoke responses any way
you can. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Shadow,

A simple compare before/after will detect any dropped files.

Are you sure ? What makes you think it will drop /seperate/ files and not
just rewrite (add its code to) an existing one ? Than where will that
leave you ? (bonus points if that modification is done to protected system
files)

But I see you got my point: You /cannot/ protect your 'puter by pulling your
cat5 cable when running random crap.

And a problem with your "A simple compare". Does the term "root kit" mean
anything to you ? Or even just the malicious AV program rewriting programs
like that to ignore certain files ? Its not like that never happened
before ...

And if you think you could solve that by running such a compare (and/or
more) by using a CD with its own OS on it ? You would just have recreated
the initial problem. :-)

But few trust an AV that's been on the market for a
"full 10 days".

You're fully right ofcourse. I mean, who has ever heard of an update which
turned a good piece of software into absolute trash. That simply doesn't
happen, right ?

But hey, you just need to figure out which version of that AV product is on
the up-and-up (good luck with that) and not update it ever. Too bad that
that will probably also stop you from downloading the newest signature files
.... :-p

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 30/01/2020 08:41, R.Wieser wrote:
David,

How much further CAN one go, Rudy?

Obviously, you're not paranoid (enough). :-p

On the other hand, you're just here to troll and provoke responses any way
you can. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Hello Rudy

Do you have ANY experience with Apple computers?

Do you understand that they do not NEED AV software?

Yet there is a marvellous product which, without you needing to supply
even an email address, will provide a 'package' which you then,
without a second thought, install and provide it with root access to
your computer. Thereafter it keeps you safe from all the nasties on the
Interwebs.

Would YOU use it? Is a FREE trial! What could you possibly have to lose?

Once it is installed, how would YOU remove it - and be SURE it was gone?

--
David

David,

Do you have ANY experience with Apple computers?

Do you understand that they do not NEED AV software?

What kind of herbs would you put into a Sigue Sigue Sputnik soup ?
Alkanet or rather Sinapis alba ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 30/01/2020 09:02, R.Wieser wrote:
Shadow,

A simple compare before/after will detect any dropped files.

Are you sure ? What makes you think it will drop /seperate/ files and not
just rewrite (add its code to) an existing one ? Than where will that
leave you ? (bonus points if that modification is done to protected system
files)

But I see you got my point: You /cannot/ protect your 'puter by pulling your
cat5 cable when running random crap.

And a problem with your "A simple compare". Does the term "root kit" mean
anything to you ? Or even just the malicious AV program rewriting programs
like that to ignore certain files ? Its not like that never happened
before ...

And if you think you could solve that by running such a compare (and/or
more) by using a CD with its own OS on it ? You would just have recreated
the initial problem. :-)

But few trust an AV that's been on the market for a
"full 10 days".

You're fully right of course. I mean, who has ever heard of an update which
turned a good piece of software into absolute trash. That simply doesn't
happen, right ?

But hey, you just need to figure out which version of that AV product is on
the up-and-up (good luck with that) and not update it ever. Too bad that
that will probably also stop you from downloading the newest signature files
... :-p

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


Sound advice, Rudy! :-)

Shadow would gain much from familiarising himself with the advice given
he-

https://www.getsafeonline.org/yourdigitalfootprint/

It's good advice for EVERYONE! ;-)

--
Regards,
David

On 30/01/2020 10:22, R.Wieser wrote:
David,

Do you have ANY experience with Apple computers?

Do you understand that they do not NEED AV software?

What kind of herbs would you put into a Sigue Sigue Sputnik soup ?
Alkanet or rather Sinapis alba ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


My friend was the road manager for Depeche Mode

I'll ask what he recommends, OK?

--
David

David,

My friend was the road manager for Depeche Mode

I'll ask what he recommends, OK?

At least you got /that/ reference. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 29/01/2020 15:32, Paul wrote:
David wrote:


There will be readers on these groups who may well agree with you!

Will you please explain how one can boot up an Apple computer from a
USB/CD and scan for malware in the manner which you have suggested?

TIA

(acw reinstated - uk mac group added)

It's well known that the best iApple experts hang
out in the WinXP/Win7/Win10 group.

"Press and hold down the C key immediately, and keep it pressed until
Â*your Mac either boots from the DVD or doesn't."

I take it, that if it doesn't boot as desired, you emit an iApple
Expletive.

https://www.acronis.com/en-us/articles/usb-boot/

"When you hear the startup chime, press and hold the Option key.
Â*Holding that key gives you access to OS X’s Startup Manager.
Â*Once the Startup Manager screen appears, release the Option key.
Â*The utility will look for any available drives that include bootable
content."

There must be an iManual somewhere about your place, right ?

Â*Â* Paul

You are always helpful Paul, so I'll let you into a secret. Modern Macs
do not 'Chime' on starting!

If you visit here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372 there's
reference only to installing a Mac OS from a USB device.

I'm still no further forward in determining if one can put an anti-
malware programme onto a USB device and boot from it so that an Apple
Mac can be scanned for malware.

David wrote:
On 29/01/2020 15:32, Paul wrote:
David wrote:


There will be readers on these groups who may well agree with you!

Will you please explain how one can boot up an Apple computer from a
USB/CD and scan for malware in the manner which you have suggested?

TIA

(acw reinstated - uk mac group added)

It's well known that the best iApple experts hang
out in the WinXP/Win7/Win10 group.

"Press and hold down the C key immediately, and keep it pressed until
your Mac either boots from the DVD or doesn't."

I take it, that if it doesn't boot as desired, you emit an iApple
Expletive.

https://www.acronis.com/en-us/articles/usb-boot/

"When you hear the startup chime, press and hold the Option key.
Holding that key gives you access to OS X’s Startup Manager.
Once the Startup Manager screen appears, release the Option key.
The utility will look for any available drives that include bootable
content."

There must be an iManual somewhere about your place, right ?

Paul

You are always helpful Paul, so I'll let you into a secret. Modern Macs
do not 'Chime' on starting!

If you visit here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372 there's
reference only to installing a Mac OS from a USB device.

I'm still no further forward in determining if one can put an anti-
malware programme onto a USB device and boot from it so that an Apple
Mac can be scanned for malware.

Remember, you're an intrepid researcher, afraid of nothing.

Did you try holding down the Option key at startup ?

I do think there is some consistency with generations.
The holding C for optical media has been around for a while.
That one exists, as a "hook" for customers using the DVD
in the cardboard box, to reinstall the computer.

Paul

On 15/02/2020 18:54, Paul wrote:
David wrote:
On 29/01/2020 15:32, Paul wrote:
David wrote:


There will be readers on these groups who may well agree with you!

Will you please explain how one can boot up an Apple computer from a
USB/CD and scan for malware in the manner which you have suggested?

TIA

(acw reinstated - uk mac group added)

It's well known that the best iApple experts hang
out in the WinXP/Win7/Win10 group.

"Press and hold down the C key immediately, and keep it pressed until
Â* your Mac either boots from the DVD or doesn't."

I take it, that if it doesn't boot as desired, you emit an iApple
Expletive.

https://www.acronis.com/en-us/articles/usb-boot/

"When you hear the startup chime, press and hold the Option key.
Â* Holding that key gives you access to OS X’s Startup Manager.
Â* Once the Startup Manager screen appears, release the Option key.
Â* The utility will look for any available drives that include
bootable content."

There must be an iManual somewhere about your place, right ?

Â*Â*Â* Paul

You are always helpful Paul, so I'll let you into a secret. Modern Macs
do not 'Chime' on starting!

If you visit here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372 there's
reference only to installing a Mac OS from a USB device.

I'm still no further forward in determining if one can put an anti-
malware programme onto a USB device and boot from it so that an Apple
Mac can be scanned for malware.

Remember, you're an intrepid researcher, afraid of nothing.

I am - I even bought a brand new iMac to experiment with/on! :-D

Did you try holding down the Option key at startup ?

I have indeed done so - and installed all OSs from Snow Leopard to
Catalina over the years. I've also flattened my machine and installed an
OS both from the Internet AND from my Time Machine back-ups.

I do think there is some consistency with generations.
The holding C for optical media has been around for a while.
That one exists, as a "hook" for customers using the DVD
in the cardboard box, to reinstall the computer.

Â*Â* Paul

My problem is not being able to find a suitable software programme to
load onto an external drive from which I can boot my Mac and then scan
it for malware. Do you know if I could BUY such an item?

It probably doesn't exist - 'cause Macs don't GET viruses!!!

But there again, if nobody checks, how would we know they don't?

--
David

David wrote:
On 15/02/2020 18:54, Paul wrote:
David wrote:
On 29/01/2020 15:32, Paul wrote:
David wrote:


There will be readers on these groups who may well agree with you!

Will you please explain how one can boot up an Apple computer from
a USB/CD and scan for malware in the manner which you have suggested?

TIA

(acw reinstated - uk mac group added)

It's well known that the best iApple experts hang
out in the WinXP/Win7/Win10 group.

"Press and hold down the C key immediately, and keep it pressed until
your Mac either boots from the DVD or doesn't."

I take it, that if it doesn't boot as desired, you emit an iApple
Expletive.

https://www.acronis.com/en-us/articles/usb-boot/

"When you hear the startup chime, press and hold the Option key.
Holding that key gives you access to OS X’s Startup Manager.
Once the Startup Manager screen appears, release the Option key.
The utility will look for any available drives that include
bootable content."

There must be an iManual somewhere about your place, right ?

Paul

You are always helpful Paul, so I'll let you into a secret. Modern Macs
do not 'Chime' on starting!

If you visit here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372 there's
reference only to installing a Mac OS from a USB device.

I'm still no further forward in determining if one can put an anti-
malware programme onto a USB device and boot from it so that an Apple
Mac can be scanned for malware.

Remember, you're an intrepid researcher, afraid of nothing.

I am - I even bought a brand new iMac to experiment with/on! :-D

Did you try holding down the Option key at startup ?

I have indeed done so - and installed all OSs from Snow Leopard to
Catalina over the years. I've also flattened my machine and installed an
OS both from the Internet AND from my Time Machine back-ups.

I do think there is some consistency with generations.
The holding C for optical media has been around for a while.
That one exists, as a "hook" for customers using the DVD
in the cardboard box, to reinstall the computer.

Paul

My problem is not being able to find a suitable software programme to
load onto an external drive from which I can boot my Mac and then scan
it for malware. Do you know if I could BUY such an item?

It probably doesn't exist - 'cause Macs don't GET viruses!!!

But there again, if nobody checks, how would we know they don't?

I'm sure you can find some "toys" to play with.

https://www.fosslinux.com/4594/creat...-to-use-it.htm

I'm not recommending this method because "ClamAV is good".
It's an opportunity to experiment with an ISO intended to
boot on a Mac. The ClamAV on the disc will be about as useful
to you, as a copy of Notepad :-)

I don't think my track record with Unetbootin is all that
good, so making a USB flash stick would not be high on my
list, at least initially. Rufus has worked for me, but that's
a tool that can help a Windows user put media on a USB stick.
A few of the other programs, are best for moving Linux to a
USB stick (by wrapping the boot process in Syslinux perhaps).
You can spend hours sometimes, trying to get that stuff to work.
It's one of the reasons I get grumpy when the topic of
Unetbootin comes up.

Your computer will be Intel based, so there's probably lots of
media that will boot on it. For my old PowerPC based Mac, I have
two PPC versions of Ubuntu, with the slightly older version
being the good one. That would be an example of optical media
I can use from the MacOSX boot manager thing (press "C"). Ubuntu
has stopped making PPC versions as far as I know, so the ones
I've got are now orphans. Once a repository is shut down, it's
pretty hard to use a LiveDVD (you can't download programs that
aren't on the media). With your Intel processor based machines,
you won't be "in the ghetto" with my situation.

Paul