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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
Arlen,
In short: Its not the freeware apps problem (regardless of intention), but that of the user. Name just one. I already did. And as it does not make any sense to repeat already given answers, I suggest you re-read my previous message. the question is which apps have already been proven to be currently reading the clipboard without user action nor desire, simply upon the mere invocation of the app. Kiddo, repeating the same question again doesn't help to clarify what you are after. Also, I already explained why that that "without user action *nor desire*" part (emphasis mine) is problematic. Which you now have ignored. Besides, if all you are out for is to show iOS lovers that Windows freeware programs have the same behaviour than all you need is just one or two (or at most a handfull) of those aps, which doesn't come near to your "which apps have", which seems to indicate you need a long, if not full list. Thats just wastefull. And there is another problem: some programs may habitualy be reading the clipboard without any action or desire of the user, but that does not automaticaly mean that there is any malicious intent - but instead possibly just an uniformed (by choice perhaps) user. Did I already say "Which should have started with thinking about the question itself" ? You really should you know. The better the question, the more chance you get a usable answer. Without an app name, the question isn't being answered, Than I suggest you take a peek at the public data AV comanies and virus hunters offer. You know, google for it (yourself). where I'll note in the iOS thread ...... I've ignored everything from that point on, as it doesn't seem to have the slightest to do with Windows. Usenet allows purposefully helpful adults to share solutions with others. Usenet also allows leeches to prey on the helpfull, and giving nothing in return. A. How do we prevent this from happening (for _those_ apps that are known)? I've already given you the answer to that. Put them in a VM or otherwise intercept their access to the clipboard. The isolation can be made to work in both directions. But, trying to isolate the baddies would be like trying to use a list of names to keep muggers at bay: No matter how many muggers you blacklist there will always be more, new ones. You stand a much better chance by isolating the "good" programs which clipboard contents (read: even simple copy/paste actions) should not be accessible by the world & dog. Ofcourse, the /best/ solution would be to stop installing random crap you (can) find on tha intarwebz. If that can't be done (addictions come in many forms :-) ) another, easy one, could be to at add a malware scanner next to the virussscanner. B. How can we most easily _test_ if a given Windows app is doing this now? /Easiest/ ? Just ask someone else to do it for you. :-) Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
pyotr,
So the question comes, is there a means to "clear" the clipboard? Other than copying a blank space to paste later? Lol, you want to wrap something /that/ simple in a program ? But yes, possible. IIRC you could use some HTA for it (effectivily instructing the browser to clear the clipboard for you). I can imagine that AutoIt (a rather powerfull scripting language) can also do it. And I seem to remember some freeware program which you can pipe data into, which than gets put into the clipboard. An action which could be put in a shortcut (for easiest access). Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:37:26 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Libor Striz wrote:
This is one of your games I am not going to participate on. Hi Poutnik, This thread is asking for a named list of badly behaved Windows programs. o As Mayana inferred, *these would be Windows freeware programs to avoid*. Just because we _can_ rummage through people's garbage to obtain their bank statements, doesn't mean that reputable people actually _do_ so without any need to have done so (and without users' knowledge or express consent). This cite clearly states the opinion that the scores of listed (admittedly only iOS) apps that have been _caught_ rummaging through your garbage for personal information is obviously the wrong thing for those iOS apps to do. o Famous iOS apps are snooping on the Pasteboard (March 14th, 2020) https://learnworthy.net/famous-ios-apps-are-snooping-on-the-pasteboard I concur, and I claim that those apps would likely be apps to be avoided. o All this thread asks for is a similar list of Windows programs. Put in colloquial terms, the goal here is to list any known Windows programs that have absolutely no business rummaging through your garbage, without your knowledge or consent, and yet, who are known to be doing so, merely upon invocation of the Windows program. In summary: *What Windows programs are known to access the clipboard merely upon* *invocation (which have no need to do so) that we know of*? -- Usenet helps all of us improve our technical skills by sharing with others. |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:58:05 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:
Name just one. I already did. And as it does not make any sense to repeat already given answers, I suggest you re-read my previous message. Hi Rudy, The simplest test of Usenet bull****ters is three words: o "Name Just One". Anyone can club little old ladies just because they can get away with it, but no reputable person clubs little old ladies just because they can. o If they did, they'd be people to avoid. Same here. Since you claim to have provided a specific list of known Windows programs that do that, akin to the specific list that the cited article clearly provided, why can nobody find that list but you? o Name just one. -- The simplest test of Usenet bull****ters is three words: "Name Just One". |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
Though PSP5 has a nice featu
If there's a lot on the Clipboard it warns that I'm leaving a lot of data in memory and asks to confirm if I want to leave it for use in another program. Current version still does this! -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
Arlen,
Bull****ters always fail this, the simplest 3-word test of their facts. Bull****ters always claim that they don't get the answers they are owed - while blatantly ignoring all the ones they do not like. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:31:37 +0100, R.Wieser wrote:
Bull****ters always claim that they don't get the answers they are owed - while blatantly ignoring all the ones they do not like. The permanent Usenet record will show... FACT: Bull****ters like Rudy Wieser _always_ instantly fail the three-word test: o Name just one That is, their entire belief system is based on exactly zero (0) facts. Hence, to spare the _adults_ on this newsgroup further indignity, this is my last response in this thread to this utter worthless piece of **** Rudy Wieser, who clearly has absolutely zero intention of ever (in his entire life) purposefully adding on-topic technical value to this newsgroup. -- Those who have never even once added any value, already proved they can't. |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
Arlen,
The simplest test of Usenet bull****ters is three words: o "Name Just One". The most silly of (Usenet) Bull****ters always claim that they don't get their answers - while blatantly ignoring all the ones they do not like. Since you claim to have provided a specific list of known \ Windows programs that do that I have not claimed anything of the kind. But pray tell, how on earth do you connect "name just one" with your above "a list of" ? I'm afraid that your wiring either has a loose contact or a short somewhere .... akin to the specific list that the cited article clearly provided, Ah, thataway. Than I will have you know that to us earthings time flows in a single direction. Claiming that a later provided list should have anything to do with an earlier given reply does therefore not quite work on this planet (and is frowned upon - just so you know). Though to be honest, the young ones under us always try, once or twice, to get away something in a similar fashion - not that their elders let them get away with it though. And as always, you are rather transparent on your demands that I should, as proof of me being right, provide you with exactly what you need. Even though you tried, and failed, a few times before, here you are, trying it again. I guess you must be "slow" in that regard. :-) I gave you plenty of info to work with to solve the clipboard access problem you described. Get off of your lazy ass I would say. Than a again, I took that question at face value, and someone informed me of the possibility that solving it was not what you where after - something your current response (apart from the obvious goading) does seem to support. Hence, to spare the _adults_ on this newsgroup further indignity, this is my last response in this thread to this utter worthless piece of **** Rudy Wieser, who clearly has absolutely zero intention of ever (in his entire life) purposefully adding on-topic technical value to this newsgroup. :-) Thank you kind sir. You might not know it, but your personal attack rants score your thanwhile target points with people who actually have something to say and share. Though can't you think of something new to say ? Its get boring. You've already used the same to me a few times before, and I've seen you use it towards others too. Does that mean that I'm not, you know, special to you ? :-) Than again, having that template in whatever you use to read newsgroups and only having to select the name of the recipient does make the while "lets try to trash that person" a lot easier. :-) But, lets see if you can keep your given word. I doubt it though ... Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"pyotr filipivich" wrote
| So the question comes, is there a means to "clear" the clipboard? | Other than copying a blank space to paste later? You mean like for when you have to lend your computer to James Bond? There's an API, with functions in most programming languages. Oddly, it was never added to Windows Script Host. Probably the simplest method without writing software would be this: HTMLHEAD SCRIPT LANGUAGE="VBScript" window.clipboardData.clearData /SCRIPT /HEADBODY/BODY/HTML Paste that into Notepad and save as an HTML file. Then just double click it and close the resulting window. Of course, on Win10 it may complain that you don't have permission to clear the clipboard.... or use IE... or open an HTML file.... or double click with the mouse prior to buying stuff at the Windows Store.... but it should work fine on XP. |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
Mayayana,
Oddly, it was never added to Windows Script Host. Most likely they thought about it at some point, but decided that the problem our esteemed OP posted about would than just be too easy to create, even by a mediocre scriptkiddie (like the "cd tray virus" of yesteryear) - or even just a nuissance "clear the clipboard every tenth of a second" script. At least, I wish to think that MS considered that. It /could/ ofcourse just be a kind "/we/ don't need it" kind of lazyness though. Regards, Rudy Wieser |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the privatecontents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 00:39:24 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:
Why not both? Hi Dan Purgert, I have faith in your ability to eventually construct an adult sentence. o Eventually. Some day you'll craft a sentence on Usenet that appears to be from an adult o But apparently not today. To spare the _adults_ on this ng further indignity, this is my last post in this thread to worthless pieces of **** like Dan Purgert consistently easily proves to be. -- People like Dan & Rudy literally hate they lack capacity to add value. |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"R.Wieser" on Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:08:30 +0100
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: pyotr, So the question comes, is there a means to "clear" the clipboard? Other than copying a blank space to paste later? Lol, you want to wrap something /that/ simple in a program ? B-) That's why I asked. Some of it is the whole "last one out empty the trash" element. That when program X is closed, the clipboard gets emptied. Some programs already do ask when you have a lot of stuff on the clipboard. But how much is "a lot"? But yes, possible. IIRC you could use some HTA for it (effectivily instructing the browser to clear the clipboard for you). I can imagine that AutoIt (a rather powerfull scripting language) can also do it. And I seem to remember some freeware program which you can pipe data into, which than gets put into the clipboard. An action which could be put in a shortcut (for easiest access). I think I'll just try to remember to copy a blank space to the clipboard. Regards, Rudy Wieser -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"R.Wieser" on Wed, 18 Mar 2020 20:12:59 +0100
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: Mayayana, Oddly, it was never added to Windows Script Host. Most likely they thought about it at some point, but decided that the problem our esteemed OP posted about would than just be too easy to create, even by a mediocre scriptkiddie (like the "cd tray virus" of yesteryear) - or even just a nuissance "clear the clipboard every tenth of a second" script. At least, I wish to think that MS considered that. It /could/ ofcourse just be a kind "/we/ don't need it" kind of lazyness though. I am of the opinion that a lot of interface issues with Windows are because the people who work _on_ the interface think it is a neat idea, but don't know anyone who actual works _with_ the interface. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"pyotr filipivich" wrote
| I am of the opinion that a lot of interface issues with Windows | are because the people who work _on_ the interface think it is a neat | idea, but don't know anyone who actual works _with_ the interface. I think in this case it's a lack of foresight. Windows Script Host came out in the late 90s, intended as DOS updated for the GUI era. At the same time, Microsoft were integrating COM objects into scripting in IE, to create "ActiveX". What resulted was a very powerful, adaptable programming system. The single method of CreateObject (vbs) or New ActiveXObject (js) opened up Windows scripting to any available dispatch interface. (Late-bound COM objects.) Bu that was almost an accident in terms of being useful in Windows. They were only trying to screw Netscape. Meanwhile, what they had meant to do with WSH was just to give sys admins an easier way to track the file system, write log files, and so on. So they provided a method to read and write text files. But no functionality to handle binary files. Likewise with the Clipboard. It wasn't a question of security or of functionality. IT people maintaining computers in the corporate world just didn't need the Clipboard. They needed to write logs, change Registry values, check installed software.... that kind of thing. |
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