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On 21/03/2020 11:35, Arlen Holder wrote:
(I haven't tested them in a while though.) Little wonders nobody cares what you write here. |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
nospam on Sat, 21 Mar 2020 07:18:23 -0400
typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: In article , pyotr filipivich wrote: Everything on a Mac is either effortless or can't be done. It's locked down, top-shelf, and kiddie-ready. false. the only limitation is that of the person using it. So you know of a means to get to a command line on a MAC? trivial. have you even used a mac?? sure doesn't sound like it. Once or twice, back when it was the New Thing. The question was mostly rhetorical. Some days I think having a PDP-11 might be a solution to my winter heating needs as well. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"Mayayana" on Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:35:47
-0400 typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote | I will take your word for it. But it fits with my opinion, that | much is done with Windows "for the needs of the plot" err | programmers. | I think that's true much more with open source. Windows is commercial. It has to satisfy business customers. Macs are even more so. Everything on a Mac is either effortless or can't be done. It's locked down, top-shelf, and kiddie-ready. Windows has to adapt to a lot more hardware variety, and it has to maintain a great deal of backward compatibility. They also have to straddle the boundary between Mac and Linux. Configurable by IT but usable by normal people. So they do things like hide the real settings behind an intimidating button marked "Advanced". Open source, on the other hand, is not commercial, so there's no customer who has to be satisfied. Don't like fluorescent green text in a black window? Screw you! Compile it yourself! Did you notice that a couple of Linux people got nasty recently when I said youtube-dl needs a GUI? Those people, the kind of programmers you're thinking of, don't want civilians to be able to use computers. That's why Linux is such a mess. You can probably clear the Clipboard on Linux. And the instructions probably start with, "Open the console shell interface of your choice and start Perl..." "it's a simple procedure involving lasers..." Sigh. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"Mayayana" on Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:34:42
-0400 typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote | So you know of a means to get to a command line on a MAC? They have something called AppleScript. And there's some kind of access to the Unix core. I think it's an outdated preconception, though, to think that one only gets to the "real stuff" when the mouse is disabled. That's the attitude of the oldtimers who make fun of people who want a GUI. But actually, command line is very limited and is mostly used to send command line arguments to executables. The commands are really simple automations rather than extra functionality. Most things you can do in console can be done easier in the GUI. Which, of course, was the whole point of making a GUI. Most things, true. But for me and my purposes, getting to a DOS prompt and running robocopy (or a batch file which calls it and the parameter list) beats having to tell Windows "yes overwrite that file, no do not overwrite that file, yes, yes, no, yes, size eight, yes..." Which raises an interesting question: What makes a system accessible? Programming on a Mac requires using their hardware, with a license and their tools. At the other extreme, programming on Linux is open to all and lots of methods are provided. But if you don't have well designed, intuitive tools and good docs then you're lost. That's what's always been nice about Windows: There are numerous levels of expertise with tools and docs at each level. Yes.much of my gripping has less to do with the parts which work "invisibly" as with how the changes in the GUI interfere with the muscle memory I had from the previous GUI. Its like getting a new car which has the windshield wiper where the shift lever was on the last one. Lot of "oops, didn't mean to do that!" -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 10:59:19 -0400, khaha wrote:
Little wonders nobody cares what you write here. *These worthless pieces of **** _hate_ they can never add value*. o *So they **** on those who do*. Having been on Usenet for decades and knowing it's always these utter worthless pieces of **** who _hat4e_ that they can never post value: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/wDbAqMr-0oY/B0cp1Cl8BwAJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.comp.freeware/AI5SiPSGyaE/_KBWCeD8IAAJ I looked up to see if this "khana" sock is a worthless piece of **** sock that has never even once, in his entire life, _ever_ authored any value: https://i.postimg.cc/c4m41Bny/khana01.jpg One post, this one I'm responding to, in the entire history of Usenet, for this newsgroup, from this "khana" sock, which is pretty convincing evidence of the sock nature of some coward on this newsgroup. https://i.postimg.cc/sgth5RVC/khana02.jpg But which worthless piece of **** sock is this "khana"? o I don't care, as the fact is always the same. *These worthless pieces of **** _hate_ they can never add value*. o *So they **** on those who do*. HINT: We had the exact same issue with the worthless piece of **** sock that goes by "Cindy Hamilton" (who had clearly posted only whenever either "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)" posted, or when "Shadow" posted - nobody else but those two pieces of ****). I assume this brand new "khana" sock is either Pooh or Shadow, where the "Cindy Hamilton" sock was _clearly_ associated directly with both over the many times they posted - but where he got wise when I pointed that out so he created this new "khana" sock, which has _never_ once posted anything in the entire history of Usenet except to this thread. -- Path: aioe.org!.POSTED.nC9u00pl4xBgzERRz97cNQ.user.gioia .aioe.org!not-for-mail From: khaha Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware,microsoft.public.windowsxp.ge neral Subject: youtube-dl Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 10:59:19 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: nC9u00pl4xBgzERRz97cNQ.user.gioia.aioe.org User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.2 Content-Language: en-CA |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"pyotr filipivich" wrote
| Its like getting a new car | which has the windshield wiper where the shift lever was on the last | one. Lot of "oops, didn't mean to do that!" | Or worse, there's no windshield wipeer control anymore because now it's "AI powered" and it knows better than you do when to turn on. |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"Mayayana" on Sat, 21 Mar 2020 13:16:33
-0400 typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote | Its like getting a new car | which has the windshield wiper where the shift lever was on the last | one. Lot of "oops, didn't mean to do that!" | Or worse, there's no windshield wipeer control anymore because now it's "AI powered" and it knows better than you do when to turn on. And you can't turn it off for the car wash. And while it is neat that I can open the sliding side doors without geting out, I don't like that I have to unlock the car and put the key in the ignition to roll up or down a window. -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"pyotr filipivich" wrote
|I don't like that I have to unlock the car and put | the key in the ignition to roll up or down a window. Yes. That's one of those idiocies that's so dumb it just makes me angry. So far I've been able to avoid electric "luxuries". Pickups generally provide more options in terms of not getting non-optional "options". |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
"Mayayana" on Sun, 22 Mar 2020 07:56:58
-0400 typed in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general the following: "pyotr filipivich" wrote |I don't like that I have to unlock the car and put | the key in the ignition to roll up or down a window. Yes. That's one of those idiocies that's so dumb it just makes me angry. So far I've been able to avoid electric "luxuries". Pickups generally provide more options in terms of not getting non-optional "options". When (If) I get another pickup, it will be pretty bare bones. Or whatever is on the lot at the time. But since I got married, I had to become "respectable." 8-) -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the privatecontents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
Arlen Holder Wrote in message:
The question was and is which apps have already been caught accessing theclipboard WITHOUT any user input whatsoever except for the invocation ofthe app (which was reported to be rampant on the iOS newsgroups). You probably mean also except clipboard content managers, as they access clipboard on background purposely. -- Poutnik ( the Wanderer ) |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the privatecontents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
Arlen Holder Wrote in message:
I know you well where you sometimes play silly games (akin to nospam) whichjust waste our time, and other times you actually provide immense value. Let's hope your intent today is to provide adult value to the topic. This is one of your games I am not going to participate on. -- Poutnik ( the Wanderer ) |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
My question was whether this is only a problem on iOS or also Windows.
With the advent of the iOS 14 beta, well-known apps have been recently publicly caught and outed... Each time they're caught (so far anyway), the company immediately says it's a nasty bug, and then immediately vows to remove the reading of the clipboard on every keypress. o *iOS 14 - Linked-In app caught reading the user's clipboard in background (including from other sources)* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/2VZ5a3QsvBc o *Reddit caught red handed by iOS 14 copying the clipboard contents on iOS devices* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/-gvgKjTALvI o *iOS 14: TikTok seems to have been caught abusing the clipboard in a quite extraordinary way.* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/dRKgQG8jGo8/ o *Famous iOS apps are snooping on the Pasteboard - Learn Worthy* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/XXaeEvEB79Y/ o *Even more iOS apps caught snooping clipboard contents ...* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/IHVirXnbJF0/ etc. For example, here's just one snippet from just one article cited above: o *TikTok and 53 other iOS apps still snoop your sensitive clipboard data* https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/tiktok-and-53-other-ios-apps-still-snoop-your-sensitive-clipboard-data/ o 10% Happier: Meditation com.changecollective.tenpercenthappier o 5-0 Radio Police Scanner com.smartestapple.50radiofree o 8 Ball Pool com.miniclip.8ballpoolmult o ABC News com.abcnews.ABCNews o AMAZE!!! com.amaze.game o Accuweather com.yourcompany.TestWithCustomTabs o Al Jazeera English ajenglishiphone o AliExpress Shopping App com.alibaba.iAliexpress o Bed Bath & Beyond com.digby.bedbathbeyond o Bejeweled com.ea.ios.bejeweledskies o Block Puzzle Game.BlockPuzzle o CBC News ca.cbc.CBCNews o CBS News com.H443NM7F8H.CBSNews o CNBC com.nbcuni.cnbc.cnbcrtipad o Classic Bejeweled HD com.popcap.ios.Bej3HD o Classic Bejeweled com.popcap.ios.Bej3 o Dazn com.dazn.theApp o FlipTheGun com.playgendary.flipgun o Fox News com.foxnews.foxnews o Fruit Ninja com.halfbrick.FruitNinjaLite o Golfmasters com.playgendary.sportmasterstwo o Hotel Tonight com.hoteltonight.prod o Hotels.com com.hotels.HotelsNearMe o Letter Soup com.candywriter.apollo7 o Love Nikki com.elex.nikki o My Emma com.crazylabs.myemma o NPR org.npr.nprnews o New York Times com.nytimes.NYTimes o News Break com.particlenews.newsbreak o Overstock com.overstock.app o PUBG Mobile com.tencent.ig o Pigment Adult Coloring Book com.pixite.pigment o Plants vs. Zombies Heroes com.ea.ios.pvzheroes o Pooking Billiards City com.pool.club.billiards.city o Recolor Coloring Book to Color com.sumoing.ReColor o Reuters com.thomsonreuters.Reuters o Russia Today com.rt.RTNewsEnglish o Sky Ticket de.sky.skyonline o Stern Nachrichten de.grunerundjahr.sternneu o The Economist com.economist.lamarr o The Huffington Post com.huffingtonpost.HuffingtonPost o The Wall Street Journal com.dowjones.WSJ.ipad o The Weather Network com.theweathernetwork.weathereyeiphone o TikTok com.zhiliaoapp.musically o ToTalk totalk.gofeiyu.com o Tok com.SimpleDate.Tok o Tomb of the Mask com.happymagenta.fromcore o Tomb of the Mask: Color com.happymagenta.totm2 o Total Party Kill com.adventureislands.totalpartykill o Truecaller com.truesoftware.TrueCallerOther o Viber com.viber o Vice News com.vice.news.VICE-News o Watermarbling com.hydro.dipping o Weibo com.sina.weibo o Zoosk com.zoosk.Zoosk o ntv Nachrichten de.n-tv.n-tvmobil My question was whether this is only a problem on iOS or also Windows. -- My question was whether this is only a problem on iOS or also Windows. |
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wrote: My question was whether this is only a problem on iOS or also Windows. all platforms. |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 17:11:53 -0400, nospam wrote:
all platforms. Hi nospam, Logically, sensibly, and reasonably, I would tend to agree that this is a privacy/security problem that shouldn't be any different on any of the five common consumer platforms. However, when I asked on the Android, Windows, and Linux newsgroups, most of the responses seemed to be "this is normal", which, on iOS, at least the response was "this is creepy" (which I would agree with). So I'm not sure _why_ the Android, Linux, and Windows groups seem to think this is normal behavior to read the clipboard upon every keystroke (or invocation of the app). I do notice that the TikTok and other apps _only_ did it on iOS, which is an enigma to me, because if it's useful to them on iOS, why wouldn't it be just as useful to them on Android? Here are the threads, from a while ago, asking on each of those platforms: o *What common specific Android apps are known to access the clipboard upon mere invocation & without your permission?* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/hdNb3BeYm44 o *What common specific Linux apps are known to access the clipboard upon mere invocation & without your permission?* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/VmByXYAaJts o *Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?* https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/wDbAqMr-0oY In each of those threads, the question was met with derision simply because, it seems, those users _expect_ this kind of creepy behavior. I don't. -- I don't yet understand why this creepy behavior only bothers iOS users... |
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Do any Windows freeware apps habitually access the private contents of the clipboard upon mere invocation of the app?
On Sun, 05 Jul 2020 18:21:38 -0400, nospam wrote:
So I'm not sure _why_ the Android, Linux, and Windows groups seem to think this is normal behavior to read the clipboard upon every keystroke (or invocation of the app). ignorance. how do you think a clipboard manager app works, which runs in the background? a clipboard manager probably isn't doing anything sleazy (at least the reputable ones) with what's on the clipboard, but that doesn't mean a different app couldn't do something nefarious. Hi nospam, It could be ignorance on the part of the Android, Windows, & Linux users, as when I first broached the subject, en masse, the trolls came out, and even some of the regulars seemed to think it's perfectly normal for an app that has absolutely zero need for the clipboard, to be reading it. I can see how it's a tad more dangerous, perhaps, on iOS simply because of the integration with the Mac clipboard (but such integration may be on Windows, Linux, and Android for all I know). What I do know is that when an app is called out for this behavior on iOS, they turn it off and apologize, claiming it's a bug (as you're well aware). Seems to me Android, Windows, and Linux need the _same_ kind of enhanced privacy that this new iOS 14 popup message provides.... but, as we both noted, the Android, Linux, and Windows users appear to be either ignorant, or, perhaps, they know something we don't know. I just don't get it why _all_ five platforms shouldn't have this creepy behavior pointed out, if it's occurring on all five platforms. -- Usenet is most useful when adult post with purposefully helpful intent. |
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