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  #181  
Old December 8th 19, 09:10 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 2019-12-08, Ken Blake wrote:
I loathe touch screens on desktop computers or laptops. But as far as
I'm concerned, they're fine on handheld devices such as smart phones.


They probably are, but I have no handheld devices. Don't have a touch
screen (or any computerized device) in my car, either, just a radio
and tape player.

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  #182  
Old December 8th 19, 09:12 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 08/12/2019 19:10, Mahayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote

| Usenet has not upgraded the standards for the headers. It is considered
| extinct by most, so why bother?
|
|
| Considered extinct by some people, but not by most. Most people never
| heard of it and don't even know it exists.
|
That's true. We should probably start a Facebook and
Reddit group to popularize Usenet.


You may borrow this one if you wish! :-)

https://www.facebook.com/Shadow-Tekr...10859843705380

Please post whatever you feel appropriate.
  #183  
Old December 8th 19, 09:21 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 05/12/2019 22.40, nospam wrote:
In article , Zaghadka
wrote:

(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)


that's a valid character in a subject or body.

you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.


Usenet has not upgraded the standards for the headers. It is considered
extinct by most, so why bother?


Strictly speaking, that's not true.

The latest 'Netnews Article Format' RFC is RFC5536 (of November 2009)
and for many of the headers - specifically the Subject: header - that
RFC follows the header definitions of the *e-mail* 'Internet Message
Format' RFC, the latest being RFC5322 (of October 2008).

And both e-mail and NetNews RFCs implicitly include the MIME RFCs and
MIME RFC2047 defines that quoted-printable encoding of UTF-8 characters
in the Subject: header - as was done in the OP - is standard-conforming
behaviour.

But I 'agree' with you that - in general - Usenet/NetNews software -
especially older newsreaders - is not always tracking the latest
developments.

In this case it's somewhat funny that - as Zaghadka explained -,
Eternal September - i.e. a *server* - choked on the non-ASCII long
hyphen as being invalid.

References:

Netnews Article Format
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5536.txt?number=5536

Internet Message Format
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5322.txt?number=5322

MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) Part Three:
Message Header Extensions for Non-ASCII Text
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2047.txt?number=2047
  #184  
Old December 8th 19, 10:02 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 08/12/2019 20.09, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

|
| Another problem is that UTF-8 may or may not have a
| BOM.
|
| What is a BOM? Google says "Bill of materials".
|
| Another source says "Short for byte order mark, BOM is another name for
| the Unicode character at the beginning of a file indicating if it's
| UTF-16 or UTF-32."
|
Yes, byte order mark. Though I'm not certain that's
what it's called in UTF-8. It is in 16-bit because it could
be either high or low endian. Notepad prepends EF BB BF.

| To me it seems that the real motive is political correctness.
| Inclusiveness. For us English speakers that's not a reason
| to use it.
|
| You are not the only people on Earth, you know. It is just polite to
| consider our existence.
|
Yes, but here we are, speaking English. If you and
I were having coffee together I'd try to be considerate.
I'd even enjoy trying to resurrect my 4 years of Spanish.
I enjoy Spanish. It's more sensual than English. More
curvaceous and less thorny. I feel more alive with Spanish.
English is good for saying things like "particular mathematical
anomaly". Technically proficient but not so aestheticly
appealing.

But on my own computer
there's no reason to have non-ASCII files. ASCII is
English. If you had invented computers then ASCII would
probably be Spanish, and I'd have to learn Spanish in
order to do programming. Then my computer would
be full of Spanish ANSI files. But if I change my ASCII to
UTF-8 I'm just adding lots of complications for no reason.
Similarly, if a webpage is in English only then there's no
sense mucking it up with a few token UTF-8 characters.


I prefer to have my texts in an international modern standard, so that
no matter if viewed in France, Spain, USA or China, they will be viewed
correctly.

You can see that my post was sent in utf-8 (not my personal doing), and
you had no issue reading it and answering :-) although I'm unsure what
your client used.



| Even Windows default to unicode.
|

Yes, but only internally. I don't have any unicode files,
unless you count the mess that makes up a DOC file.
With English, again, it doesn't matter whether it's unicode.
Only the first byte matters, and that's ASCII-conforming.
With foreign languages it's usually ANSI. So unicode was
brought in to prepare for the future, but it was never
really relevant. And now it's been obsoleted by UTF-8,
which is much less disruptive and much more functional.


I read part of the specs for exFAT recently and it uses unicode.


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  #185  
Old December 8th 19, 10:10 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 08/12/2019 16.01, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

When one is on a seminar, thus not at home, one can not print the
presentation.


if you're away from home on a seminar or some other event, then not
having to carry printed materials around is a big plus.

Having it on paper is useful to write with a pen notes on
it. Yes, PDF files can also be annotated, but I had not yet the chance
to try this at an actual event.


try it.


I'm open to it :-D


Some offer the PDF at some download site, or send them by email. But all
places I have been at hand out the papers.


some still hand stuff out, but that number is rapidly dwindling because
most people don't want paper, plus it costs money to print it.


Oh, they get it back, no problem :-D

They are sometimes paid by the promoter, may be the Government, or by
the attending people via fees.

Having said that, I prefer epub over pdf. Not presentations.


exactly, as do most people.


That most people prefer epub? I doubt that, but I'd love it :-D
That they prefer not presentations? Certainly.

Although there was a time when I got a lot of presentations via email.
Those emails that circulated around previous to mobile phones. Not work
presentations, but, say, a Xmas.

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  #186  
Old December 8th 19, 10:11 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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On 08/12/2019 20.10, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote

| Usenet has not upgraded the standards for the headers. It is considered
| extinct by most, so why bother?
|
|
| Considered extinct by some people, but not by most. Most people never
| heard of it and don't even know it exists.
|
That's true. We should probably start a Facebook and
Reddit group to popularize Usenet.


No, do it on IRC :-P

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  #187  
Old December 8th 19, 10:19 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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On 08/12/2019 21.21, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 05/12/2019 22.40, nospam wrote:
In article , Zaghadka
wrote:

(By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not
all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal
September.)

that's a valid character in a subject or body.

you need to update your newsreader to modern standards.


Usenet has not upgraded the standards for the headers. It is considered
extinct by most, so why bother?


Strictly speaking, that's not true.

The latest 'Netnews Article Format' RFC is RFC5536 (of November 2009)
and for many of the headers - specifically the Subject: header - that
RFC follows the header definitions of the *e-mail* 'Internet Message
Format' RFC, the latest being RFC5322 (of October 2008).

And both e-mail and NetNews RFCs implicitly include the MIME RFCs and
MIME RFC2047 defines that quoted-printable encoding of UTF-8 characters
in the Subject: header - as was done in the OP - is standard-conforming
behaviour.


Ah, that's good :-D

But I 'agree' with you that - in general - Usenet/NetNews software -
especially older newsreaders - is not always tracking the latest
developments.

In this case it's somewhat funny that - as Zaghadka explained -,
Eternal September - i.e. a *server* - choked on the non-ASCII long
hyphen as being invalid.


Either they are using ancient software, or they configured it to reject
such headers.


I use a "usenet proxy" on my computer, leafnode, on Linux. Old software.
I don't know if there is equivalent in Windows. Anyway, it contains this
setting:

## If in your local Usenet hierarchy, posting unencoded 8-bit data in
## headers is condoned, uncomment this option to allow this. 8-bit data
## in headers is officially illegal, although the header character set
## may change to UTF-8 soon.
allow_8bit_headers = 1




References:

Netnews Article Format
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5536.txt?number=5536

Internet Message Format
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5322.txt?number=5322

MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions) Part Three:
Message Header Extensions for Non-ASCII Text
https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2047.txt?number=2047



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  #188  
Old December 8th 19, 10:31 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Having said that, I prefer epub over pdf. Not presentations.


exactly, as do most people.


That most people prefer epub? I doubt that, but I'd love it :-D
That they prefer not presentations? Certainly.


i meant electronic versus printouts.

for a tablet, epub is generally a better choice, while for a
laptop/desktop, pdf is generally a better choice.
  #189  
Old December 8th 19, 10:36 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 12/8/19 11:53 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote

| "Microsofties"... meaning all programmers writing code for Windows, or
| just MS programmers?
|

MS programmers.


Isn't the graphics coding done by graphics card makers and not MS?

The actual software they write usually
seems very clean and well done to me. Windows is amazing.
IE is amazing. Their tools are amazing. Without the greed
and strategizing it could be an incredible system. Though
there are some exceptions. The people who wrote the
scripting runtime (scrrun.dll) made quite a mess of it. And
of course IE is an ungodly mess, but that's only because
of Microsoft's ulterior motives. The actual software is
brilliant and beautifully put together. And they've been way
ahead of their time on multiple occasions. (The SPOT
watch could have beat the iPhone to creating the Dick
Tracy era, if only the wireless access had been there and
the thing hadn't looked like a tin potato.)

| ** I may be reaching the limit on my posting ability.
| Everyone will make fun of me, of course, but I'm using
| OE6 and at some point it just rejects the header length
| if a thread goes too deep. I've never found a way to
| fix it. But I love OE for most things and don't much like
| TBird, so I put up with it.
|
| Have you looked at other alternatives?
|
A bit. But I really can't be bothered. There's nothing
but TBird that's completely an email and newsgroup
program. There are various discontinued things,
newsgroup readers for fanatics who want colorcoded
commenting.... But nothing that's just a good, solid,
well supported tool. My first choice would be TBird but
it has lots of things I don't like.


I thought AgentForte was completely both email and newgroup.

I think the problem is that most of the people who
might write this stuff switched to gmail webmail a
long time ago. Then they switched to texting. And now
they don't care. But as much as people make fun of OE
I find it to be very solid and does pretty much
everything I want. My only real complaint is that the
filters are a bit flimsy. But TBird's are worse.




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  #190  
Old December 8th 19, 10:38 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 16:38:13 +0000, David
wrote:

He - or she - *IS* a difficult *type*! No doubt about that!


Thanks for the technical contribution to the thread you
started with a copy and paste.
I suppose you want to confirm you're the *easy* type?
Most people are when they drink as much as you do.
I once knew a girl ... sorry, not on topic.

You DO know the thread is about Office Suits, not the people
responding? OT up.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

63 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
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  #191  
Old December 8th 19, 10:41 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:56:38 +0000, David
wrote:

Your answer surprises me, redacted! shock

Perhaps you are unaware that trying to uncover 'bad guys' is fraught
with difficulty?


It's dead easy.
Really bad guys are a first hit in Google and Yahoo searches.

---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

63 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
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  #192  
Old December 8th 19, 10:46 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 08/12/2019 20:10, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2019-12-08, Ken Blake wrote:
I loathe touch screens on desktop computers or laptops. But as far as
I'm concerned, they're fine on handheld devices such as smart phones.


They probably are, but I have no handheld devices. Don't have a touch
screen (or any computerized device) in my car, either, just a radio
and tape player.


Gulp A *TAPE* player?!!! ;-)

You must be even older than me, Roger!

  #193  
Old December 8th 19, 10:50 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 18:33:25 -0000 (UTC), "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
wrote:

David the Liar of Devon wrote:

Similarly, the MASTER-*stalker* called Beauregard T. Shagnasty has even
set up a spiteful web page because I exposed his whole website to be
carrying malware. Proof he https://i.imgur.com/JCa39b8.jpg


False positive by a tool you don't understand.

Six *more* months added to the lifespan of your _special page_.

Will you never learn?


Apparently not. He copy and pastes something to a Win 10
group, never mentions the subject again, and then goes on about why he
was he was *BANNED* TWICE from Apple's PRIVATE forum.

His "theory" is that it's populated with *bad guy* moderators,
just like the Windows PRIVATE forums that ALSO *BANNED* him.
LOL
OT up.

PS Thanks for your public service page.
---------------
BD: I want people to "get to know me better. I have nothing to
hide".
I'm always here to help, this page was put up at BD's request,
rather, he said "Do it *NOW*!":

http://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

63 confirmed #FAKE_NYMS, most used in cybercrimes!
Google "David Brooks Devon"
[]'s
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  #194  
Old December 8th 19, 11:05 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 07/12/2019 15.12, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote


....

I noticed a lot of people switching to Macs a few
years ago. Mostly younger people. It was a lifestyle
thing. They weren't working on their computers. They
were sitting on their sofa, shopping online or emailing;
maybe streaming a video; and they simply didn't want
to deal with the technical side. They'd heard Macs
didn't have viruses, so they called their parents and
asked their parents to buy them a Mac laptop.

With business I don't think it's just a choice of OS.
Business could use Linux far more cheaply. But neither Mac
nor Linux has the software. Microsoft have spent decades
making sure it's easy for business to make their own custom
software on Windows. Businesses created their own in-house
databases and such. Microsoft also catered to business
needs with their office suite. Their customer is business.

Linux is used by some scientists, but mostly it's a system
for computer people who want a customized system for a
specific purpose, like a server or a kiosk system.


Linux has many aims. One of them is "self made people and software". For
example, a group of astronomers finds Linux and between them they start
to create applications by themselves to use by themselves. They put them
in the open, and other astronomers join in and add features to the
software, or new applications, and the usefulness of Linux to that group
grows. And gratis, but only as polished as the group wants and finds the
resources to do.

So if business people join and create the software they want by
themselves, they can gain a lot. But sharing is not the business motto :-P

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  #195  
Old December 8th 19, 11:24 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 08/12/2019 18.36, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/8/19 9:16 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 14:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2019-12-08, Char Jackson wrote:
It's not hard to tap, double tap, long tap, swipe
up/down/left/right, and those are just about all the things you
need to master.

I don't have time for that crap. I loathe touch screens.


When I'm sitting in front of my computer and my phone is also
within reach, it's the phone that I reach for 9 times out of 10
because I get my answer so much faster on the phone. I can type a
word at a time rather than a letter at a time, or better yet, I use
voice input and don't have to type anything at all. If you don't
have time for that, you surely don't have time for standard PC (kb,
mouse) input.


Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try
for a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times
I've tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice
commands available to the user.


On a phone, there is no such thing. You just talk. If it doesn't
understands, it will "google" it for you :-p


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