If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Rate Thread | Display Modes |
#226
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 12/8/19 10:36 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/8/19 9:16 AM, Char Jackson wrote: On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 14:09:30 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: On 2019-12-08, Char Jackson wrote: It's not hard to tap, double tap, long tap, swipe up/down/left/right, and those are just about all the things you need to master. I don't have time for that crap. I loathe touch screens. When I'm sitting in front of my computer and my phone is also within reach, it's the phone that I reach for 9 times out of 10 because I get my answer so much faster on the phone. I can type a word at a time rather than a letter at a time, or better yet, I use voice input and don't have to type anything at all. If you don't have time for that, you surely don't have time for standard PC (kb, mouse) input. Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands available to the user. I guess I shouldn't be surprised... 3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
Ads |
#227
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 12/8/19 3:30 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote | Isn't the graphics coding done by graphics card makers and not MS? | Good question. I don't really know. I would guess that they do at least some. At one time it was left to Linux people to write drivers for Linux, but I suppose someone like ATI probably writes Windows drivers. So I don't know how to explain the difference in display. Based on what I've seen when installing an MS OS, MS writes a generic driver so the computer will run, but the real drivers are written by the card manufacturer. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
#228
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
In article , Ken Springer
wrote: Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands available to the user. I guess I shouldn't be surprised... 3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did. don't keep everyone in suspense. explain what you were talking about. |
#229
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 12/8/19 6:38 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer wrote: Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands available to the user. I guess I shouldn't be surprised... 3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did. don't keep everyone in suspense. explain what you were talking about. You're smart, you figure it out. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
#230
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 2019-12-08 7:25 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific pages. Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again. that's a stretch. Well I have seen it happen, Back when I was building Manager of our Convention Centre about 1978, We had a Honeywell Alpha 2000 computer As the control center for our HVAC equipment, its output device was a Teletype RO 35 impact printer, No glass monitor and it used tractor feed fandfold paper which came in a 5000 sheet box cube. You put a box on the floor behind the printer and let the output spill out behind it to harvest each day. One night I got a call from the Security staff that the printer had gone Crazy and was spewing out piles of paper on the floor, Well I don't drive so I called a cab and headed for work as fast as I could get there. The printer Power supply was hard wired so no way for Security to pull the plug. By the time I got there and deactivated the printer the printer had pulled through nearly half a box of fanfold paper and spewed it on the floor, The printer was not printing, just feeding paper. Next day I pulled it apart and found it had stripped one of its dog clutches and let that shaft spin forever. I replaced it with a Dot matrix Centronics 761 serial printer and had to design a 20 ma to serial interface circuit. for it that you need to go back 41 years to find an instance of it happening, on a computer and peripherals that are no longer made, is very clear evidence that it's not at all common. I'm sure its not common, exactly the point i was making. I don't see many teletype RO 35 printers hanging around much anymore, Not to mention Teletype ASR 33s, or Interdata 7/16 computers with magnetic core memory or Honeywell Alpha 2000s, Need I go on? :-) that's up to you. Ah, those were the good old days, with so much exciting new stuff to learn and work with. I started on computers in 1975. :-) Rene |
#231
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
"Carlos E.R." wrote
| Though I think your Spanish ANSI would | probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the | English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to | use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages. | | Not in the ANSI, it is in the IBMPC charset, 437. A bit different. | Chr 209 and 241 in English codepage are N and n with tilde. |
#232
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
"Paul" wrote
| Though I think your Spanish ANSI would | probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the | English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to | use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages. | | That's because "we English" pave over the language of | other people. That's how, magically, everything we | type "can be represented in ASCII". No. What I mean is that the basic English codepage includes most Euro characters in the 128+ range. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...critical_marks | | "French à propos, which lost both the accent and | space to become English "apropos" | Nothing wrong with that. Nothing I hate more then people who say naiveTAY (naivete) when there's a perfectly official word in English: naivety. There's nothing wrong with adopting words. Languages change. I think Americans are actually too much prone to respect the foreign language. So we say garAHZHE in the French way, while the Brits import the word without shame to be GARage. I remember seeing an article years ago about the French fretting over adaptation of English Americanisms. Some were very upset that "le hamburger" was becoming popular. Which is somewhat ironic. My understanding was that hambeurger and frankfort were meant to insult the Germans by naming our very cheapest meats after their cities. Yet here were the French, who we helped save from the Germans, complaining that the words were being imported. | We see mention that "jalapeno" is actually "jalapeño". | The problem there is that it's an obscure task to enter those characters. That's part of why UTF-8 makes so little sense outside of webpages. I'm not going to go figure out how to enter n with tilde, regardless of whether it's ANSI or UTF-8. I know how to pronounce jalapeno. Remember the croissant debacle in the 80s? Everyone was eating croissants and no one knew how to pronounce it. It became crussAHNT. To try to say it like the French sounded pretentious. And anyway, the French probably pronounced it right centuries ago, before they let their language go flimsy and started dropping out consonants. |
#233
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 09/12/2019 03.40, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote | Though I think your Spanish ANSI would | probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the | English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to | use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages. | | Not in the ANSI, it is in the IBMPC charset, 437. A bit different. | Chr 209 and 241 in English codepage are N and n with tilde. I'm not saying that. I say that the so called ANSI that contains some European chars is not ANSI, but the IBM-PC version of it, charset 437, with 8 bits. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
#234
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 09/12/2019 01.33, Paul wrote:
Mayayana wrote: "Carlos E.R." wrote | You can see that my post was sent in utf-8 (not my personal doing), and | you had no issue reading it and answering :-) although I'm unsure what | your client used. | Â*Â*Â* That's only because the text is ASCII. It's officially UTF-8, but there are no bytes other than ASCII. I can see how UTF-8 makes sense for you, though. If you send UTF-8 in Spanish then everyone can read it. If you use ANSI then there will probably be corrupt characters on non-Euro systems. By contrast, my ASCII English is also compliant UTF-8. Â* Though I think your Spanish ANSI would probably work OK for me. Tilde, for example, is in the English ANSI system. Presumably they had the sense to use the same character codes in all Euro ANSI codepages. That's because "we English" pave over the language of other people. That's how, magically, everything we type "can be represented in ASCII". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englis...critical_marks Â*Â* "French Ã* propos, which lost both the accent and Â*Â* space to become English "apropos" ******* We see mention that "jalapeno" is actually "jalapeño". But when I checked the Wikipedia article, habanero is magically an "all English thing". How curious. I did not know the English invented such a hot pepper on the Scoville scale, all by themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habanero I have to find a dictionary article, to see that "alternately, habañero". https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/habanero Your computer is now "juiced up" so that you can receive a manuscript from your publisher, copy and paste it into your computer, *without* losing that jazz that is all over the place. If there is an em-dash in your manuscript, the computer preserves it. Such wasn't always the case. Try typing "habañero" on a punch card terminal. There was a time when we used to revel in the stinginess of the implementation. (The university mainframe with the "60 bit words" holding "ten 6 bit characters" - we were so cheap back then, not even 7 bit ASCII was supported.) Thanks :-) -- Cheers, Carlos. |
#235
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 09/12/2019 00.03, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R. wrote: .... you're also ignoring that software distribution is almost entirely online, so if they can manage to get various apps, they can get help for it as well, should it even be needed, which is not a given. this. if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific pages. Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again. that's a stretch. It happened to me, actually. Took me a way to find where the printer spooler was and could reset it. Windows 3 or 95 perhaps, I don't remember. Somebody had designed the system so that if the printer failed, on power up it would resume printing on the same page it had stopped. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
#236
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 09/12/2019 02.00, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-12-08 6:41 p.m., nospam wrote: In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: if someone wants something printed for whatever reason, download the relevant pdfs and print them, either in its entirety or specific pages. Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again. that's a stretch. Well I have seen it happen, Back when I was building Manager of our Convention Centre about 1978, We had a Honeywell Alpha 2000 computer As the control center for our HVAC equipment, its output device was a Teletype RO 35 impact printer, No glass monitor and it used tractor feed Â*Â* fandfold paper which came in a 5000 sheet box cube. You put a box on the floor behind the printer and let the output spill out behind it to harvest each day. One night I got a call from the Security staff that the printer had gone Crazy and was spewing out piles of paper on the floor, Well I don't drive so I called a cab and headed for work as fast as I could get there. The printer Power supply was hard wired so no way for Security to pull the plug. By the time I got there and deactivated the printer the printer had pulled through nearly half a box of fanfold paper and spewed it on the floor, The printer was not printing, just feeding paper. Next day I pulled it apart and found it had stripped one of its dog clutches and let that shaft spin forever. I replaced it with a Dot matrix Centronics 761 serial printer and had to design a 20 ma to serial interface circuit. for it that you need to go back 41 years to find an instance of it happening, on a computer and peripherals that are no longer made, is very clear evidence that it's not at all common. I'm sure its not common, I don't see many teletype RO 35 printers hanging around much anymore, Not to mention Teletype ASR 33s, or Interdata 7/16 computers with magnetic core memory or Honeywell Alpha 2000s, Need I go on? :-) Oh, there were also office "jokes". Send someone a job to print with a thousand page feeds and nothing else. Maybe a char, to spoil the page. Or an error that sent the wrong language to a printer. The printer could not understand it and started printing binary. When the binary happens to be a feed page, well, it went to the next page. And it printed fast, top speed because it was "text", no graphic escape codes. I has happened more than once to me or to people near me. I just hope it doesn't happen to one of those I installed the computer for and they don't understand the computer. That 25%. Those that understand computers do not ask other people to do the installation for them, so those I get to to know are those with problems. Like people that call me to extract the photos from the camera or phone, because the camera is full and refuses to take more photos. They always see the photos on the phone or camera. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
#237
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote: I don't see many teletype RO 35 printers hanging around much anymore, Not to mention Teletype ASR 33s, or Interdata 7/16 computers with magnetic core memory or Honeywell Alpha 2000s, Need I go on? :-) that's up to you. Ah, those were the good old days, with so much exciting new stuff to learn and work with. I started on computers in 1975. :-) that hasn't changed. in fact, now there's much *more* exciting new stuff to learn and work with, things that people could never have imagined back then. |
#238
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
In article , Ken Springer
wrote: Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands available to the user. I guess I shouldn't be surprised... 3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did. don't keep everyone in suspense. explain what you were talking about. You're smart, you figure it out. i'm not interested in playing your games. |
#239
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote: Something that some people need someone to demo in person before not being afraid of trying. God forbid if something goes bad and they can't stop the printer. Pull the plug! And the daft thing continues printing the one thousand page book (the wrong book) after being plugged again. that's a stretch. It happened to me, actually. Took me a way to find where the printer spooler was and could reset it. Windows 3 or 95 perhaps, I don't remember. once in 25 years, not exactly a major issue. as i said, it's a stretch. Somebody had designed the system so that if the printer failed, on power up it would resume printing on the same page it had stopped. that's a desirable feature. |
#240
|
|||
|
|||
7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
On 12/8/19 9:15 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer wrote: Have you ever tried voice input? It's something I've wanted to try for a long time, but it's low on the priority list. The coupe times I've tried it, I've found it difficult to find a list of the voice commands available to the user. I guess I shouldn't be surprised... 3 people thought they knew what I was talking about. None did. don't keep everyone in suspense. explain what you were talking about. You're smart, you figure it out. i'm not interested in playing your games. Nor I, yours. -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | Rate This Thread |
|
|