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  #331  
Old December 10th 19, 12:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Ken Springer wrote:
On 12/9/19 10:41 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/9/2019 10:11 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
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Hash: SHA256

Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/9/2019 6:01 AM, Dan Purgert wrote:
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Hash: SHA256

snip


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I don't know how anybody else feels about your PGP signatures, but I'll
tell you how I feel. I hate them. They add nothing to your posts and
just clutters them up. So I'd like to suggest that you stop
incorporating them in your messages.

Your request has been noted.

Please feel free to killfile me if the 12 lines are causing you that
much heartache.



I already felt free to killfile you. I didn't want to, because your
posts are often valuable. And they don't cause me anything like
heartache. That's why I tried to ask politely, rather than trying to
castigate you. I made a suggestion, rather than insisting.


Didn't there used to be a rule, or at least a gentleman's agreement,
that sig files shouldn't be more than 4 lines?


Bear in mind that the "pgp signature" on my messages is not quite the
same thing as the "signature" on a Usenet message. In fact, "my
signature" is simply this:

|_|O|_|
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281

The "PGP Signature" is an envelope around my message that is an
indicator only I could have sent it (by virtue of me being the only
person with access to the key necessary to create said signature).

I'm not 100% sure if the error is in your reader (for showing the
enveloping), or mine (for making it look like part of the message).
Though with the way my luck's gone over the past week ...


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|_|O|_|
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
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  #332  
Old December 10th 19, 12:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/12/2019 11:25, Dan Purgert wrote:
Though with the way my luck's gone over the past week ...


Oh dear! :-(

Would you like to share? It may be of help, you never know!

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  #333  
Old December 10th 19, 12:50 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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Mayayana wrote:
"Dan Purgert" wrote

| email program. Yet OE6 is arguably better than current
| products despite being 18 years old. The program folder
| is 4 MB. TBird is 90 MB, stuffed with dotnet crap, but no
| help file in sight. Even the Mozilla people don't seem to
| have full docs for things like prefs.
|
| OK, but how much of the OE stuff is crammed "somewhere else"? I'm only
| asking, because I know that it's a little more "deeply integrated" than
| Tbird.
|
| Not that I think ~90MB is hiding out there.
|

Fair question. It seems to be mostly self-contained, but
if I were dealing with HTML email it would be different.
Then it uses the IE libraries: shdocvw, mshtml, etc.


Not knowing how big those are, I wonder if some of the perceived bloat
to Tbird is if Mozilla "has to" include libraries locally in
C:\PROGRA~1\Mozilla\Firefox


|
| It's not difficult to write software that runs on
| all Windows versions -- backward and forward. That's
| like being able to write a program for current Linux and
| have it work on RedHat 4 seamlessly, with no additional
| support files or adjustments needed.
|
| Depends what the software is written in. I mean, as long as you're not
| relying on some library that isn't available in RHEL4, it's quite likely
| to work. Same with Windows, of course -- I mean, if I write something
| that relies on whatever the current dotnet is, it's probably not going
| to work in winXP.
|
No. But you can stick with the API and in that
case it might run on Win95 if you need it to. Dotnet
is a mess all its own.


Sure, and you can do the same with targeting the Linux Kernel as well.
Although, I do know that between major versions (2 - 3 , 3 - 4, etc.)
the Linux API has changed in big ways. That being said, I don't think
it's "broken" much.


| Linux support is typically 18 months. When I want
| to install anything it needs numerous updates of system
| files. Ridiculous stuff like 6.143.213.77 isn't good enough.
| It has to be 6.143.213.88.
|
| That sounds very much like your only experience is with either "rolling
| release" distros, or the "testing" releases of otherwise "stable"
| distros (such as the three "short-term" releases Ubuntu puts out between
| their 5-year-support "LTS" ones).
|

Mandrake/Mandriva and Suse. I used to try them
periodically to see if they were usable yet.


I've never used Mandrake/Mandriva; but I know that SUSE is ... weird.
They remind me of like IBM or HP -- "release 1.2.3.1 is to be released
on January 13, 2020; our standard lifecycle will apply to this release.
Long-term contract holders can obtain 1.2.3.1.LT on January 20."

I think the whole gimmick with them is that you buy a SUSE support
contract.

My test was whether I could set it up without having
to use a console window or rummage around in /etc,
and whether I could get a good, easy firewall that
would allow me to block all in/out traffic by process.
It always fails on all counts. (No, iptables is not a
usable, easy firewall.)


Sounds like you really wanted Ubuntu (or these days, maybe Mint?).
iptables is certainly usable ... definitely not "easy" though -- but
it's been (is being) replaced with nftables; which I believe has better
graphical tools.

That being said, I'm not entirely sure linux firewalls necessarily care
about "per application" in the same way that Windows does. Then again,
I always hated that approach.


| ha, that sounds like my dad. Always disparaging what I did in my free
| time, regardless of how good my grades were, or how little "free time" I
| actually had between school / work / after-school stuff. "Oh, you're
| playing on the computer ~again~" (as I'm trying to learn to program, or
| whatever ... or yes, sometimes playing games).
|

I suppose it always looks like unhealthy obsession to
the outside observer. When I first discovered I could


Yeah, what always got me was that he was the purchaser of the games.
Well, until highschool.

Not that I didn't blow a friday or saturday night playing something.
The other side of it was we grew up with "the internet", and so it
wasn't exactly uncommon to just sit on ICQ / AIM and chat with everyone
for a couple of hours...


| down into /etc to change a program setting? Or maybe you
| just regard that as simple? In Windows it's been almost
|
| As opposed to C:/PROGRA~1 ? Ultimately they're both the start of
| hierarchies where you find config files.
|
No one has to do that. You just go to Tools-
Options. Except with things like Firefox. Most
Windows software has a UI for all available settings.


Sure, and you do the same in most (all) user-controlled programs. /etc
is either global defaults (e.g. /etc/skel for a default new user
profile), or config file storage for what would be considered "system
services" in windows. As I recall, one would have to use msc.exe to
edit those settings.


| Never was part of that -- the oldest I remember interacting with (and by
| proxy of "hey what's this thing?") is a mimeograph machine. Though I do
| know of the old photo-sensitive typeset machines.
|

Ah. That word recalls to me the sweet smell of that ink.


I don't recall it being "sweet". Kind of sharp smelling like oil-based
paints.


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|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
  #334  
Old December 10th 19, 12:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Dan Purgert
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Carlos E.R. wrote:

Any recipient then needs to add the
Enigmail plugin (unconfigured) to their copy of
Thunderbird, for Enigmail to detect the signing section,
download the public key, and put up an indicator that
the message is genuine.

If Dans private key is stolen (someone hacks into Dans
machine), then the value of signing is lost.


Dan can possibly void the key.


I can.


There is another caveat: Anyone can create another key and put Dan name
and email on it, and post away freely. People just notice a new key, but
have no way to know which is the true one, unless you have some means of
verification (chain of trust and all that).


Yeah, the "web of trust" does rely on multiple people you trust also
trusting that I am who I say I am (so you can verify it). Personally, I
prefer that model over "well, Verisign says he's OK" (or comodo or
thawte or any of the other signing agencies).


For that usage PKCS keys are possibly better (there is an authentication
agency).


"It depends". x.509/pkcs keys are somewhat more difficult to deal with
in general terms.


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|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
  #335  
Old December 10th 19, 12:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/12/2019 00.05, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| Here meant "usenet".
|
| If you look above to the quotes, do you see "the ? (euro)" string? The
| '?' was an ? symbol I typed, his system changed it to '?'.
|

Who's he? Me? I see a Euro character. But some
won't if it's not the same number in their codepage.
Also, fonts come into it. I discovered that when I
added UTF-8 support to my coding editor. It works
fine, but only a unicode font can show it. I normally
use Verdana for scripting and HTML. With that I get
what seem to be codepage characters for the UTF-8
non-ASCII characters. But if I change the font to
MS Arial unicode it works fine.

So it could be that some fonts don't have a Euro
character. Then there's the possibility that someone's
reader has done a UTF-8 switch somewhere, resulting
in an invalid UTF-8 character.

Which is yet another reason for English speakers to
skip UTF-8 unless they need to share files with non-
English speakers. Lots of unnecessary complications.



On the contrary. You refusing to use unicode is what is causing the problem.

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  #336  
Old December 10th 19, 12:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Dan Purgert
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/12/2019 22.04, Paul wrote:
And to top it off, the plugin arch of Thunderbird is changing
soon, and Enigmail is going to get rolled into Thunderbird
(using something other than openpgp), so any solution you
might boil in a pot today, will be "blown away soon" and
you'd have to design another plugin. Enigmail for Thunderbird
is a .xpi and those won't be supported past TB68.


Enigmail is currently broken, at least for me and others. I can not sign
using MIME, it claims the key is not found.


gpg2 made a bit of a mess of how enigmail works for me as well.
although that one sounds like a new problem.


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--
|_|O|_|
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
  #337  
Old December 10th 19, 01:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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On 09/12/2019 23.33, Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/9/2019 3:04 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/12/2019 22.12, Ken Blake wrote:
On 12/9/2019 1:53 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/12/2019 20.43, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| | Thar "basic English codepage" does not include the ? (euro)
symbol, for
| | instance.
| |
|
| Chr 128.
|
| You can see that it got back as a question mark. Problem proved :-p
|

Â*Â* Works for me. I don't know what all this talk is about IBM.
I think I have code page 1252.

But you can not write the euro symbol in here, it doesn't work.


I'm not sure what you mean by "in here," but I can write it here in this
message: €


Whether or not you can see it is another matter.


I can see yours perfectly "here" :-D

Here meant "usenet".



Sorry, I'm confused. What do you mean? I typed it in usenet and we can
both see it in usenet.


Of course I can see what you type correctly. But we can not see what
/he/ types correctly, because he insists on using an 8 bit codepage,
because it is good enough for English.

If you look above to the quotes, do you see "the ? (euro)" string? The
'?' was an € symbol I typed, his system changed it to '?'.




That has to do with what newsreader he uses and how it's set, not with
its being usenet.


Of course.


Thunderbird's being able to send and display many more characters than
Agent is the main reason I switched to it recently.




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Cheers, Carlos.
  #338  
Old December 10th 19, 01:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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On 10/12/2019 12.25, Dan Purgert wrote:
I'm not 100% sure if the error is in your reader (for showing the
enveloping), or mine (for making it look like part of the message).
Though with the way my luck's gone over the past week ...


It is not an error, it is intentional.

Normally clients show the entire text, including the PGP "signature".
This is correct.
Only when the client is told to decode PGP (can be automatic) they hide
it and instead tell if the signature is right, wrong, or unkown.

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  #339  
Old December 10th 19, 01:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Diesel wrote:
David
Sun, 08 Dec 2019 23:10:47 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
[...]
Spreading malware, are you?


Do you have any evidence that supports your accusation?


Well, if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't have to read his drivel


Does that count?

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--
|_|O|_|
|_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert
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  #340  
Old December 10th 19, 01:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 10/12/2019 12.59, Dan Purgert wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 09/12/2019 22.04, Paul wrote:
And to top it off, the plugin arch of Thunderbird is changing
soon, and Enigmail is going to get rolled into Thunderbird
(using something other than openpgp), so any solution you
might boil in a pot today, will be "blown away soon" and
you'd have to design another plugin. Enigmail for Thunderbird
is a .xpi and those won't be supported past TB68.


Enigmail is currently broken, at least for me and others. I can not sign
using MIME, it claims the key is not found.



gpg2 made a bit of a mess of how enigmail works for me as well.
although that one sounds like a new problem.


It is new in that it affects me and others now, and before it did not,
but the bug is old:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531073

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  #341  
Old December 10th 19, 01:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Dan Purgert
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/12/2019 12.25, Dan Purgert wrote:
I'm not 100% sure if the error is in your reader (for showing the
enveloping), or mine (for making it look like part of the message).
Though with the way my luck's gone over the past week ...


It is not an error, it is intentional.


What I meant by "error" was that it isn't displaying as an "obvious
envelope" to another participant in Usenet.


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|O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281
  #342  
Old December 10th 19, 01:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/12/2019 12.59, Dan Purgert wrote:
[...]
gpg2 made a bit of a mess of how enigmail works for me as well.
although that one sounds like a new problem.


It is new in that it affects me and others now, and before it did not,
but the bug is old:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531073


I'm probably misreading it, but that one seems to be against the builtin
processing of s/mime messages rather than pgp processing via enigmail.


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  #343  
Old December 10th 19, 01:37 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.freeware
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On 10/12/2019 12.50, Dan Purgert wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
"Dan Purgert" wrote

| email program. Yet OE6 is arguably better than current
| products despite being 18 years old. The program folder
| is 4 MB. TBird is 90 MB, stuffed with dotnet crap, but no
| help file in sight. Even the Mozilla people don't seem to
| have full docs for things like prefs.
|
| OK, but how much of the OE stuff is crammed "somewhere else"? I'm only
| asking, because I know that it's a little more "deeply integrated" than
| Tbird.
|
| Not that I think ~90MB is hiding out there.
|

Fair question. It seems to be mostly self-contained, but
if I were dealing with HTML email it would be different.
Then it uses the IE libraries: shdocvw, mshtml, etc.


Not knowing how big those are, I wonder if some of the perceived bloat
to Tbird is if Mozilla "has to" include libraries locally in
C:\PROGRA~1\Mozilla\Firefox


|
| It's not difficult to write software that runs on
| all Windows versions -- backward and forward. That's
| like being able to write a program for current Linux and
| have it work on RedHat 4 seamlessly, with no additional
| support files or adjustments needed.
|
| Depends what the software is written in. I mean, as long as you're not
| relying on some library that isn't available in RHEL4, it's quite likely
| to work. Same with Windows, of course -- I mean, if I write something
| that relies on whatever the current dotnet is, it's probably not going
| to work in winXP.
|
No. But you can stick with the API and in that
case it might run on Win95 if you need it to. Dotnet
is a mess all its own.


Sure, and you can do the same with targeting the Linux Kernel as well.
Although, I do know that between major versions (2 - 3 , 3 - 4, etc.)
the Linux API has changed in big ways. That being said, I don't think
it's "broken" much.


| Linux support is typically 18 months. When I want
| to install anything it needs numerous updates of system
| files. Ridiculous stuff like 6.143.213.77 isn't good enough.
| It has to be 6.143.213.88.
|
| That sounds very much like your only experience is with either "rolling
| release" distros, or the "testing" releases of otherwise "stable"
| distros (such as the three "short-term" releases Ubuntu puts out between
| their 5-year-support "LTS" ones).
|

Mandrake/Mandriva and Suse. I used to try them
periodically to see if they were usable yet.


I've never used Mandrake/Mandriva; but I know that SUSE is ... weird.
They remind me of like IBM or HP -- "release 1.2.3.1 is to be released
on January 13, 2020; our standard lifecycle will apply to this release.
Long-term contract holders can obtain 1.2.3.1.LT on January 20."

I think the whole gimmick with them is that you buy a SUSE support
contract.


If you have SUSE, then yes, you need a support contract to obtain the
updates to the commercial product.

But if you have openSUSE you don't need any contract or payment. Just
click update and it takes care of everything.

So, if I want to install anything, I just select it in YaST and click to
install. It will take care of any other thing it needs automatically.

My test was whether I could set it up without having
to use a console window or rummage around in /etc,
and whether I could get a good, easy firewall that
would allow me to block all in/out traffic by process.
It always fails on all counts. (No, iptables is not a
usable, easy firewall.)


Linux doesn't firewall by processes, and this is intentional. Wrong
expectations from user :-P

Sounds like you really wanted Ubuntu (or these days, maybe Mint?).
iptables is certainly usable ... definitely not "easy" though -- but
it's been (is being) replaced with nftables; which I believe has better
graphical tools.


I never had to use iptables directly. We use higher level applications
that handle the firewalling for us.

That being said, I'm not entirely sure linux firewalls necessarily care
about "per application" in the same way that Windows does. Then again,
I always hated that approach.


....


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On 10/12/2019 13.36, Dan Purgert wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/12/2019 12.59, Dan Purgert wrote:
[...]
gpg2 made a bit of a mess of how enigmail works for me as well.
although that one sounds like a new problem.


It is new in that it affects me and others now, and before it did not,
but the bug is old:


https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=531073


I'm probably misreading it, but that one seems to be against the builtin
processing of s/mime messages rather than pgp processing via enigmail.


It affects both. Not simple reading :-(

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On 10/12/2019 13.37, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 10/12/2019 12.50, Dan Purgert wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
"Dan Purgert" wrote


....

| Linux support is typically 18 months. When I want
| to install anything it needs numerous updates of system
| files. Ridiculous stuff like 6.143.213.77 isn't good enough.
| It has to be 6.143.213.88.
|
| That sounds very much like your only experience is with either "rolling
| release" distros, or the "testing" releases of otherwise "stable"
| distros (such as the three "short-term" releases Ubuntu puts out between
| their 5-year-support "LTS" ones).
|

Mandrake/Mandriva and Suse. I used to try them
periodically to see if they were usable yet.


I've never used Mandrake/Mandriva; but I know that SUSE is ... weird.
They remind me of like IBM or HP -- "release 1.2.3.1 is to be released
on January 13, 2020; our standard lifecycle will apply to this release.
Long-term contract holders can obtain 1.2.3.1.LT on January 20."

I think the whole gimmick with them is that you buy a SUSE support
contract.


If you have SUSE, then yes, you need a support contract to obtain the
updates to the commercial product.

But if you have openSUSE you don't need any contract or payment. Just
click update and it takes care of everything.


I forgot to mention that the current support cycle of openSUSE Leap is
several years long (exact number not fixed in stone). There is a major
version release, tied to the commercial version release (currently 15),
and then several minor versions, about once per year, also linked to the
commercial version service packs. Those minor versions (we are currently
on .1, so 15.1, with 15.2 coming next spring) are mostly trivial to apply.

Perhaps OT here, but as it was mentioned I thought I could add some
extra info :-)

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