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Old August 3rd 18, 07:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Well wife just came home with a phone has Bluetooth and seeing as I have
a Bluetooth adapter for a PC I figured I'd check it out.

Some issues getting devices "paired" but believe that now happens
reliably.

Problem is I don't see what the fuss is all about. It does appear I may
be able to connect the pc to the internet thru the phone but nothing
else. I figured I'd be able to browse the SD card etc. in the phone but
that doesn't seem available.

It's some sort of Samsung phone btw.

Am I missing something?
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Old August 3rd 18, 11:54 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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pjp wrote:


Well wife just came home with a phone has Bluetooth and seeing as I have
a Bluetooth adapter for a PC I figured I'd check it out.

Some issues getting devices "paired" but believe that now happens
reliably.

Problem is I don't see what the fuss is all about. It does appear I may
be able to connect the pc to the internet thru the phone but nothing
else. I figured I'd be able to browse the SD card etc. in the phone but
that doesn't seem available.

It's some sort of Samsung phone btw.

Am I missing something?

I'm certainly no expert, but the only use I have found connecting a PC
to a phone is to send pictures. On the phone the bluetooth is good to
pair with a headset to use the phone while driving. In this state it
is illegal to use a hand-held phone while driving other than through a
headphone or similar device.

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Old August 3rd 18, 02:57 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pjp" wrote

|
| Well wife just came home with a phone has Bluetooth and seeing as I have
| a Bluetooth adapter for a PC I figured I'd check it out.
|
| Some issues getting devices "paired" but believe that now happens
| reliably.
|
| Problem is I don't see what the fuss is all about. It does appear I may
| be able to connect the pc to the internet thru the phone but nothing
| else. I figured I'd be able to browse the SD card etc. in the phone but
| that doesn't seem available.
|

I bought a cheap USB bluetooth adapter so
I could get photos off my Tracphone. It works
OK, though it took a little fiddling to get them
to see each other. But if you have an SD card
then why not just use/buy an SD card reader?

My understanding is that bluetooth is mainly
meant as a way to allow data transfer for
small devices where a USB port might be too
expensive or too big to be feasible. Nothing
especially desirable. Just good to have if you
don't have any other option.


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Old August 3rd 18, 03:08 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 03:36:08 -0300, pjp
wrote:



Well wife just came home with a phone has Bluetooth and seeing as I have
a Bluetooth adapter for a PC I figured I'd check it out.

Some issues getting devices "paired" but believe that now happens
reliably.

Problem is I don't see what the fuss is all about. It does appear I may
be able to connect the pc to the internet thru the phone but nothing
else. I figured I'd be able to browse the SD card etc. in the phone but
that doesn't seem available.

It's some sort of Samsung phone btw.

Am I missing something?




My phone has bluetooth capability. I use it for only one thing, and I
like that thing very much: it connects to the screen in my car (2018
Camry). I can receive call, make calls, etc. without even touching the
phone which stays in my pocket.
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Old August 3rd 18, 11:22 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ken Blake wrote:

pjp wrote:

Well wife just came home with a phone has Bluetooth and seeing as I
have a Bluetooth adapter for a PC I figured I'd check it out.

Some issues getting devices "paired" but believe that now happens
reliably.

Problem is I don't see what the fuss is all about. It does appear I
may be able to connect the pc to the internet thru the phone but
nothing else. I figured I'd be able to browse the SD card etc. in
the phone but that doesn't seem available.


My phone has bluetooth capability. I use it for only one thing, and I
like that thing very much: it connects to the screen in my car (2018
Camry). I can receive call, make calls, etc. without even touching the
phone which stays in my pocket.


Alas, my car is too old to have the in-dash center with all the gizmo
apps. I still wanted to use my car stereo to call out driving
instructions instead of using the phone's speaker (which is okay but
means I have to drive with the windows closed). I got a Bluetooth and
FM transceiver that plugs into the cigarette lighter port. That lets me
connect from my phone using Bluetooth to the FM transceiver which using
radio to transmit on a selected channel to my car stereo.

Because it is not an always-on power port but instead a cigarette
lighter port, it's power goes on and off with the car's ignition. That
comes in handy for use with Bluetooth-enabled apps that can track where
I parked, when I started driving, and my drive route(s). When power
goes off, the Bluetooth connection is lost which the app records as my
parking location. When power is on (car is started), a Bluetooth
connection is established and the app will start recording my trip. I
had tried to use the Bluetooth connect-disconnect from the app to the
Bluetoothed ODB dongle (used to get info on the car and review or reset
trouble codes), it stays on when the car is turned off (for 2 hours
after which it goes into sleep mode), so not a good choice to detecting
the car's run/stop state to tracking parking locations and driving
routes.

As for transferring files between the phone and my PC, nah, Bluetooth
sucks for that. It's possibly but clumsy; see:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...over-bluetooth

As I recall, to get file transfers to work well, I had to go into the
properties of the Bluetooth device (smartphone) in Windows Bluetooth
device list and enable other transfer modes. In the Start menu's search
box, I'd enter "Bluetooth" and select "Bluetooth Devices", right-click
on the smarphone (previously paired to the PC) and select Properties,
and go to the Services tab. I had to enable several services that then
let my have more functionality of the smartphone from my PC. Most of
the services are geared to audio or telephony. None of them actually
state they are for file transfer. That might actually be a function of
whose Bluetooth driver/software you install for whatever Bluetooth
transceiver you use in your PC.

Instead I just use a USB cable: when I connect my phone via USB cable to
my PC, my PC pops up a prompt asking what I want to do with that newly
detected and available device, so I elect to open Windows Explorer to go
look at files on the phone. USB Debugging Mode (in the phone) and the
ADB driver (in the PC) are not required for just doing file transfers
but they are needed if you want to remotely control your phone using
your PC using something like AirDroid (plus it will let you do file
transfers).

Bluetooth isn't just about using it with your car or with your PC. You
can also transfer files between smartphones using Bluetooth. See:

https://www.recovery-android.com/tra...bluetooth.html

I don't share files between phones, not even my own. Instead I use
cloud services (OneDrive, Google Drive) to upload the files. Other
phones logged into the same accounts will then sync to get the files.
Bluetooth transfer is slow compared to wi-fi (which cloud storage uses):
25Mbps for Bluetooth versus whatever the wi-fi hotspot gives you versus
250Mbps for wi-fi direct (for file transfer, you enable wi-fi direct in
your phone and need to use an app for the file transfer over the wi-fi
linkup).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Direct
https://www.androidpit.com/what-is-wifi-direct

Although I have the Wi-Fi Direct option on my smartphone (LG V20 running
Android 7.0), I haven't bothered using it. I've not yet needed
immediate file transfer between my own phones, I don't share files with
others, and online storage with sync suffices plus it gives me a backup
and I can sync to phones or PCs or even get at the files on someone
else's PC, like when vacationing, or decide which I'll share with others
by doling out URLs to the files in public or shared folders in my online
account.
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Old August 4th 18, 01:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Art Todesco
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On 8/3/2018 2:36 AM, pjp wrote:


Well wife just came home with a phone has Bluetooth and seeing as I have
a Bluetooth adapter for a PC I figured I'd check it out.

Some issues getting devices "paired" but believe that now happens
reliably.

Problem is I don't see what the fuss is all about. It does appear I may
be able to connect the pc to the internet thru the phone but nothing
else. I figured I'd be able to browse the SD card etc. in the phone but
that doesn't seem available.

It's some sort of Samsung phone btw.

Am I missing something?

I think the big thing for bluetooth is using a hands free device like an
earbud. I can't say it always works well, but I think my problem is not
in bluetooth itself, but the connection quality I have in a mountainous
area. I also use bluetooth to connect my cell phone (Samsung) to my
home cordless phone (Panasonic) to allow me to receive and make calls on
the cell phone from the cordless phone. In addition I have used APK
Extractor on the cell to transfer program files (APKs) from one cell
phone to another. To move files like pictures to my PC I always use
Airdroid.
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Old August 4th 18, 03:10 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"VanguardLH" wrote

| My phone has bluetooth capability. I use it for only one thing, and I
| like that thing very much: it connects to the screen in my car (2018
| Camry). I can receive call, make calls, etc. without even touching the
| phone which stays in my pocket.
|
| Alas, my car is too old to have the in-dash center with all the gizmo
| apps.

I wish I could sell you mine. I had to buy bluetooth
in order to get an automatic transmission in my 2016
Nissan pickup. Traffic has got so bad -- I was tired of
keeping my foot on a clutch constantly.

But I don't use a computer phone, don't use map
services, and rarely listen to music voluntarily. So
the steering-wheel-installed bluetooth is unused and
I replaced the multi-media mess in the center of the
dashboard with a small storage cabinet.


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Old August 4th 18, 11:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote

| My phone has bluetooth capability. I use it for only one thing, and I
| like that thing very much: it connects to the screen in my car (2018
| Camry). I can receive call, make calls, etc. without even touching the
| phone which stays in my pocket.
|
| Alas, my car is too old to have the in-dash center with all the gizmo
| apps.

I wish I could sell you mine. I had to buy bluetooth
in order to get an automatic transmission in my 2016
Nissan pickup. Traffic has got so bad -- I was tired of
keeping my foot on a clutch constantly.


As an aside on your "keeping my foot on a clutch constantly", I remember
seeing some videos of folks that used Subaru's Eyesight system to drive
their car during rush hour traffic. I'm pretty sure if Eyesight is in
the car that Subaru forced you to have their CVT tranny so something
like this was possible (so no clutch, anyway).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwnXssQ-go4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XvSd2QFbdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx_oeNJ_Qs8

I'd still keep my foot atop the brake. Eyesight takes away the gas
pedal from you when it detects an imminent collision; however, it needs
some time to see what it might collide with, and some kid running out
into the street chasing a ball probably isn't enough time, plus there
are those assholes in rush-hour traffic that cut you off (their tail is
not beyond your front) if you weren't ready.

Subaru is putting Eyesight in all their cars. You can't buy a Subie
without Eyesight which is akin to you having to get Bluetooth to get an
automatic tranny. Makers and dealers love to bundle the options: if you
want some option, you have to buy an entire package of options.
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Old August 5th 18, 02:07 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"VanguardLH" wrote

| Subaru is putting Eyesight in all their cars. You can't buy a Subie
| without Eyesight which is akin to you having to get Bluetooth to get an
| automatic tranny.

Yuck. At least bluetooth isn't intrusive. Automatic
transmission required me to accept a whole bundle,
including AC. Though I have to say that as I get older
it's nice to have AC. Lately it's been very humid and
mid-90s.

I feel lucky to have been able to get an almost
tech-free truck. The only frivolous electric function
is the heat/AC vents. And so far that's the only
thing that doesn't work right! They replaced the simple
system of vents connected with cables that connect
to a plastic slide control, putting in a ridiculous motor
to do the sliding.



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Old August 5th 18, 02:40 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article , am says...

"VanguardLH" wrote

| Subaru is putting Eyesight in all their cars. You can't buy a Subie
| without Eyesight which is akin to you having to get Bluetooth to get an
| automatic tranny.

Yuck. At least bluetooth isn't intrusive. Automatic
transmission required me to accept a whole bundle,
including AC. Though I have to say that as I get older
it's nice to have AC. Lately it's been very humid and
mid-90s.

I feel lucky to have been able to get an almost
tech-free truck. The only frivolous electric function
is the heat/AC vents. And so far that's the only
thing that doesn't work right! They replaced the simple
system of vents connected with cables that connect
to a plastic slide control, putting in a ridiculous motor
to do the sliding.


I just don't see myself ever buying a "new" vehicle again. None of them
are worth the money and what you're realing doing is simply giving a
dealer endless opportunities to exploit you. Least that's my take on it.

As far as new features go ...

Back up cameras yet you can't actually see the two corner of the end of
your car in it. Almost useless and just a gimmick.

Touchscreens seem dangerous to me. Can easily imagine someone looking
for extended periods into one looking for some specific setting and in
the meantime go of the road or into oncoming traffic.

High beam that when on turn off the low beam. WHY??? More light is
better and I shouldn't have to buy a pair of driving lights so I can see
close to the car even with high beamsn on. Older cars with four
headlights often did this, two headlight newer cars never.

Why the hell would I want internet/wifi in the car built-in? If I expect
I'll need internet I'll take a laptop along. In fact I'd not tolerate
any kind of over the air transmission of any sort. Some firmware update
then send me a USB stick and have suitable port for that purpose built
into the car. On Star and that crap is worthless.

I don't own any phone but a landline so anything to do with a cell phone
is money poorly spent. Same with any fancy way to play music in the car.
A stereo with a USB port works more than just fine. Only problem there
is what capacity unit limits USB device to, e.g. most won't "see" a 1TB
portable hard disk.
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Old August 5th 18, 05:43 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"pjp" wrote

| I just don't see myself ever buying a "new" vehicle again. None of them
| are worth the money and what you're realing doing is simply giving a
| dealer endless opportunities to exploit you. Least that's my take on it.
|

I need it for work. To my mind it's cheaper to buy
new and pay off a loan. I get a dependable vehicle.
And repair costs these days make a used car too
expensive.

I had two Toyota pickups that lasted me about
30 years. 19 years and 230K miles on the first
one. 11 years and 80K miles on the second. I
did most of the work myself and they didn't need
much. But then the second started to rust
out and things like exhaust sensors kept going
on me. Stuff that didn't even exist on the older
truck. I decided it would be better to buy new
again rather than to start doing repairs on a regular
basis. If I have to pay $300 to $1,000 every 2
months for maintenance then I'm better off just
buying new. The last thing that went was speed
sensors on the front wheels. I didn't even know
they existed! $350 to do it myself of $700 to pay
a mechanic to hook up two little camera gizmos
next to the brake disk. (Probably $100 for an hour's
labor and $250 for the scam parts markup.) Like
most machinery today, repairing is more expensive
than buying new. TVs, DVD players, drills, saws,
and even cars. Fixing them isn't worth it.

This time I got a Nissan. The Toyotas were good
when I bought them. They used to be the best for the
least money. But Toyota shifted their focus. Now
they only make expensive pickups and the Tacoma
bed is only 5' because there's a full back seat. It's
really a family sedan that can be used to carry an
ATV or a bag of grass seed... after a plastic liner
has been installed so the bed doesn't get dirty.

I guess there's not much money in work trucks.
These days it's all about selling luxury sedans that
just look like work trucks. So macho cowboys can
drive around suburban streets felling like the Marlboro
man. There are very few models that are actually
just a pickup, without back doors and back seats.

| I don't own any phone but a landline so anything to do with a cell phone
| is money poorly spent. Same with any fancy way to play music in the car.

Unfortunately, most people want to talk on their
portable phone. I live in MA where it's legal and traffic
has become like a demolition derby. In NH and VT it's
illegal to use handhelds. The difference is noticeable.
Some people might still be on the phone, but at least
they're not trying to text, and they have a hand free
to turn on their signals.

I see the problem as symptomatic
of something far more chilling: a general trend away
from community. So many people no longer see
themselves connected to the people around them.
They walk without looking where they're going and
drive as though they're alone on the road. If
I beep the horn at them they don't even look up,
never imagining someone might be beeping at them,
even though they're sitting at a green light talking
on the phone!


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Old August 5th 18, 06:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 22:40:56 -0300, pjp
wrote:

In article , am says...

"VanguardLH" wrote

| Subaru is putting Eyesight in all their cars. You can't buy a Subie
| without Eyesight which is akin to you having to get Bluetooth to get an
| automatic tranny.


Earlier this year I read an article that said (IIRC) the newer safety
features are mandated to be on every vehicle by the 2020 model year,
although some manufacturers are adding them earlier. They mentioned
backup cameras, backup cross-traffic monitor, blind spot monitor,
automatic low speed stop and go, and adaptive cruise control. Probably
more that I've forgotten. My current vehicles already have all but the
last two. I'm really looking forward to adaptive cruise control on my
next vehicle.

I just don't see myself ever buying a "new" vehicle again. None of them
are worth the money and what you're realing doing is simply giving a
dealer endless opportunities to exploit you. Least that's my take on it.


I usually buy new because the price difference between new and 2 years
old is so small, (I wouldn't buy older than 2-3 years, and I usually buy
the highest trim level), but I did buy a used Toyota Highlander in 2005
for about $4K less than everyone else was asking because the automatic
climate control didn't work. That could have been a $3500 repair but if
you think about it, the whole system is computerized and has a
diagnostic mode that will tell you exactly what it thinks is wrong. In
my case, it said the daylight sensor wasn't working, (with a note saying
this is normal if the vehicle is not in direct sunlight, and yes I was
doing the test at night), and a second failure of Cabin Temp sensor
disconnected. I reached up under the instrument panel about 3 inches,
found the sensor, confirmed that it had nothing connected to it, found a
dangling connector very close by, plugged it in, and I was done. The
whole thing took less than 5 minutes. I wonder what a dealer would have
charged.

As far as new features go ...

Back up cameras yet you can't actually see the two corner of the end of
your car in it. Almost useless and just a gimmick.


I'm not the biggest fan of backup cameras, but they make hooking up a
trailer drop dead easy. I'd rather have one than not. For most of my
backing, I still use the 3 rearview mirrors.

Touchscreens seem dangerous to me. Can easily imagine someone looking
for extended periods into one looking for some specific setting and in
the meantime go of the road or into oncoming traffic.


There will certainly be people who do that, but there's no good reason
for it. In my case, I familiarized myself with the touchscreen functions
while parked in my driveway so that I can safely do what I need while
driving. To do everything that the touchscreen allows, but using analog
switches and knobs instead, would take at least several dozen such knobs
and switches, which would be completely impractical in a car. Obviously,
I love the touchscreen. The bigger, the better.

High beam that when on turn off the low beam. WHY??? More light is
better and I shouldn't have to buy a pair of driving lights so I can see
close to the car even with high beamsn on. Older cars with four
headlights often did this, two headlight newer cars never.


I've never driven a vehicle that had poor near illumination when the
high beams are on.

Why the hell would I want internet/wifi in the car built-in? If I expect
I'll need internet I'll take a laptop along. In fact I'd not tolerate
any kind of over the air transmission of any sort. Some firmware update
then send me a USB stick and have suitable port for that purpose built
into the car. On Star and that crap is worthless.


I don't have On Star, but I know that it's far from worthless. At its
worst, it can be a huge convenience, and at best, it's an absolute
lifesaver. I don't see any downsides except possibly for people who
think they're being tracked or something.

As for Internet in the car, if I'm driving alone I haven't seen a use
case for it, but if there are multiple people in the car, especially if
some are kids, then why not? They can use their WiFi-only iPads and
tablets during the trip.

I don't own any phone but a landline so anything to do with a cell phone
is money poorly spent. Same with any fancy way to play music in the car.
A stereo with a USB port works more than just fine. Only problem there
is what capacity unit limits USB device to, e.g. most won't "see" a 1TB
portable hard disk.


Storage size isn't one of my complaints. My vehicles see a 128GB USB
thumb drive just fine, and at about 30% full it has about 7500 songs,
which is way more than I can listen to, even on a week-long road trip.
My complaint is that my vehicles don't recognize FLAC, so I have to
convert back to mp3 to take music on the road. Here in the house, my
digital music collection has about 130,000 songs, (I'm sure there are
dupes), so prior to my next trip I'll probably convert and load another
batch of 7500 or so to take along.

My real complaint about music/entertainment is Sirius/XM. To me, that's
a waste of money. All of my rental cars have it, (I rent for work nearly
every week), and my own vehicles have it for a period of time when new,
but I never renew it when it expires. There are too many other (free)
options for music, so I don't need that one.

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Old August 5th 18, 07:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mayayana
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"Char Jackson" wrote

| I did buy a used Toyota Highlander in 2005
| for about $4K less than everyone else was asking because the automatic
| climate control didn't work. That could have been a $3500 repair but if
| you think about it, the whole system is computerized and has a
| diagnostic mode that will tell you exactly what it thinks is wrong. In
| my case, it said the daylight sensor wasn't working, (with a note saying
| this is normal if the vehicle is not in direct sunlight, and yes I was
| doing the test at night), and a second failure of Cabin Temp sensor
| disconnected. I reached up under the instrument panel about 3 inches,
| found the sensor, confirmed that it had nothing connected to it, found a
| dangling connector very close by, plugged it in, and I was done. The
| whole thing took less than 5 minutes. I wonder what a dealer would have
| charged.

Sounds great. But what happens when another pointless
sensor or chip goes, and you can't turn on the heat?
In a traditional car it's really just turning on a fan. Climate
control is Rube Goldberg-style idiocy -- a vastly more
complex contraption, and for what? So that you don't
have to decide whether you're hot or cold.

I was most pleased to not have to get electronic ignition
or windows. Both are very expensive and superfluous.
Power windows might be nice when I get too old to
reach across to put down the passenger-side
window. On the other hand, they don't work at all with
the car turned off. That can be maddening at the beach
while you wait for the driver to get in and start the car.


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Old August 6th 18, 01:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Mayayana" on Sun, 5 Aug 2018 14:18:16 -0400
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:

I was most pleased to not have to get electronic ignition
or windows. Both are very expensive and superfluous.
Power windows might be nice when I get too old to
reach across to put down the passenger-side
window. On the other hand, they don't work at all with
the car turned off. That can be maddening at the beach
while you wait for the driver to get in and start the car.


Or you have to get in to turn the key, in order to close the
passenger side window before it rains.
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Old August 6th 18, 03:22 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:

But what happens when another pointless sensor or chip goes, and you
can't turn on the heat?


It's been a long time since I saw cables running to flapper valves to
determine which air flow was allowed. The dash controls have, for a
long time, operated vacuum-controlled motors to determine the position
of the flappers. So, either you have a switch in the dash, even if it a
slide lever, controlling a motor or you have logic controlling the
motor. With either method, I've seen the motors fail a lot more often
than whatever switch or electronics was used to control the motor. One
reason why electronics replaced mechanical switches is that electronics
outlive mechanical switches. When the motor goes, doesn't matter if a
switch or electronic control is still working. Vacuum-operated motors
fail as do electrically-operated motors (I don't know of any data
measuring the failure rate of vacuum- versus electrically-operated
motors).

Trying to find a vacuum leak with the old mechanical setup is tougher
than checking voltages or current with the electrical stuff. It is the
vacuum motor, or the hose to it, or along the hose, or the supply for
the vacuum, and where is that, and so on?

I was most pleased to not have to get electronic ignition or windows.


I must not be as tall a you, or I have wider cars than you. It is
difficult for me to reach over to the passenger side to roll down a
mechanically-operated window on that side, plus that motion mandates
that I am out of position to watch the road. Even worse is if you want
to roll down the rear windows, especially in some localities where a
camera catching you driving while turned backward stretching over the
front seats to reach something in the back awards you with a careless
driving ticket. Just because I get in a car with all the windows rolled
up doesn't mean I want it that way during the entire trip.

I like an electric trunk release. A couple wires run to the trunk where
is a motor versus a mechanical cable where the cable stretches with use
and can get rusted. Instead of either fully closed or fully open, I can
decide by just how much the rear/gate door opens. Not all garages or
locations allow full opening of my rear/hatch door, and I'd rather not
scratch the door on an obstruction. Yes, I could get out and use one
hand to control the opening of the door but eventually I need both hands
to remove or add items into the cargo area, and that means releasing the
door which then moves up to hit the obstruction. With an electric rear
door, I can set the opening height to something less to fully open and
have it stay that way while my hands are occupied with cargo items. I
can even set a memory so, for example, opening the rear door while the
car is inside my garage will prevent it from hitting the rolled up
garage door and its chain track.

Both are very expensive and superfluous. Power windows might be nice
when I get too old to reach across to put down the passenger-side
window. On the other hand, they don't work at all with the car turned
off.


You can engage the electrical systems without having to start the car.
If the car owner grants you entry into their car, why wouldn't they give
you their key?

That can be maddening at the beach while you wait for the driver to
get in and start the car.


They would still have to get into the car to operate the mechanical
window crank. If you're inside someone else's car, and they have
granted you permission for entry into their car, why would they refuse
to give you the car key so you could put the ignition into the On (not
Start) position to use the electric windows?

Since you must open the car door whether it has mechanical or electrical
windows, why not just use the opened door to grant inside access? After
opening a door, to me it doesn't matter if the window is mechanical or
electrical since I won't be using the window as I already have access to
inside the car. Yeah, *if* the owner leaves their car unlocked and *if*
they won't give you the car key then you cannot use the electrical
window but I fail to see why you need to open a window when you or they
have already opened a door. I can't recall ever using the windows when
loading/unloading my car. Instead I open a door. Windows are for your
hands and arms to reach out/in, or sometimes to extend how long an item
you can stow inside the car, like when carrying back some long 2x4's
from the hardware store.

I've had to replace mechanical window lever mechanisms inside car doors,
and the same for motors. Can't say one is tougher to replace than the
other. However, replacing the shattered glass can be a bitch because
too often extricating the rail at the bottom that holds the glass window
can be tough due to rusting or bad access through those holes in the
inside metal panel of the door.

I can see mechanical windows have an advantage if the car's battery is
dead or removed; however, again, once I have a door opened (and my cars
still have a mechanical key lock in addition to the electric motor to
lock/unlock the doors) then it is unimportant if the window works or not
by any means.
 




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