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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, but only as long as I did not switch the computer off (standard reboot does not effect it). When I perform a cold boot the VIA USB2 Enhanced Host Controler has vanished, and again I get the daft "your device can perform faster". I now have the problem of having to reinstall the drivers evertime I want to use my webcam, memory stick, etc. This is driving me crazy, and obviously is not what should be happening. Strangly, if I view hidden devices in device manager, it still exists, but greyed out. Note that I only plug USB1 devices (keyboard, mouse etc) into the onboard intel USB 1 ports. Please note that the system BIOS is running latest version. My system is as follows Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600) Install Language: English (United States) System Locale: English (United Kingdom) Installed: 10/12/2008 12:21:27 1.60 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 8 kilobyte primary memory cache 256 kilobyte secondary memory cache Not hyper-threaded Viglen W2KSEL 00:03:47:E5:73:40 System Serial Number: 1550451 Board: Intel Corporation D850MV AAA56423-301 Serial Number: IUMV20712429 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz BIOS: Intel Corp. MV85010A.86A.0067.P24.0304081124 04/08/2003 Any ideas on my problem would be very appreciated. Thanks |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
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Mark Gary wrote: I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, but only as long as I did not switch the computer off (standard reboot does not effect it). When I perform a cold boot the VIA USB2 Enhanced Host Controler has vanished, and again I get the daft "your device can perform faster". I now have the problem of having to reinstall the drivers evertime I want to use my webcam, memory stick, etc. This is driving me crazy, and obviously is not what should be happening. Strangly, if I view hidden devices in device manager, it still exists, but greyed out. Note that I only plug USB1 devices (keyboard, mouse etc) into the onboard intel USB 1 ports. Please note that the system BIOS is running latest version. My system is as follows Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600) Install Language: English (United States) System Locale: English (United Kingdom) Installed: 10/12/2008 12:21:27 1.60 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 8 kilobyte primary memory cache 256 kilobyte secondary memory cache Not hyper-threaded Viglen W2KSEL 00:03:47:E5:73:40 System Serial Number: 1550451 Board: Intel Corporation D850MV AAA56423-301 Serial Number: IUMV20712429 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz BIOS: Intel Corp. MV85010A.86A.0067.P24.0304081124 04/08/2003 Any ideas on my problem would be very appreciated. Thanks Sounds like it isn't the right driver to me. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
On 17/04/2012 13:53, BillW50 wrote:
In , Mark Gary wrote: I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, but only as long as I did not switch the computer off (standard reboot does not effect it). When I perform a cold boot the VIA USB2 Enhanced Host Controler has vanished, and again I get the daft "your device can perform faster". I now have the problem of having to reinstall the drivers evertime I want to use my webcam, memory stick, etc. This is driving me crazy, and obviously is not what should be happening. Strangly, if I view hidden devices in device manager, it still exists, but greyed out. Note that I only plug USB1 devices (keyboard, mouse etc) into the onboard intel USB 1 ports. Please note that the system BIOS is running latest version. My system is as follows Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600) Install Language: English (United States) System Locale: English (United Kingdom) Installed: 10/12/2008 12:21:27 1.60 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 8 kilobyte primary memory cache 256 kilobyte secondary memory cache Not hyper-threaded Viglen W2KSEL 00:03:47:E5:73:40 System Serial Number: 1550451 Board: Intel Corporation D850MV AAA56423-301 Serial Number: IUMV20712429 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz BIOS: Intel Corp. MV85010A.86A.0067.P24.0304081124 04/08/2003 Any ideas on my problem would be very appreciated. Thanks Sounds like it isn't the right driver to me. Driver : VIA Technologies, Inc Date : 09/09/2002 Version : 5.1.2600.1106 When I reinstall the driver, and reboot works very good, no problem. Shutdown and switch off, next day does not work, and vanished. Driver again needs installing again. |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
On 4/17/2012 8:44 AM, Mark Gary wrote:
On 17/04/2012 13:53, BillW50 wrote: In , Mark Gary wrote: I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, but only as long as I did not switch the computer off (standard reboot does not effect it). When I perform a cold boot the VIA USB2 Enhanced Host Controler has vanished, and again I get the daft "your device can perform faster". I now have the problem of having to reinstall the drivers evertime I want to use my webcam, memory stick, etc. This is driving me crazy, and obviously is not what should be happening. Strangly, if I view hidden devices in device manager, it still exists, but greyed out. Note that I only plug USB1 devices (keyboard, mouse etc) into the onboard intel USB 1 ports. Please note that the system BIOS is running latest version. My system is as follows Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600) Install Language: English (United States) System Locale: English (United Kingdom) Installed: 10/12/2008 12:21:27 1.60 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 8 kilobyte primary memory cache 256 kilobyte secondary memory cache Not hyper-threaded Viglen W2KSEL 00:03:47:E5:73:40 System Serial Number: 1550451 Board: Intel Corporation D850MV AAA56423-301 Serial Number: IUMV20712429 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz BIOS: Intel Corp. MV85010A.86A.0067.P24.0304081124 04/08/2003 Any ideas on my problem would be very appreciated. Thanks Sounds like it isn't the right driver to me. Driver : VIA Technologies, Inc Date : 09/09/2002 Version : 5.1.2600.1106 When I reinstall the driver, and reboot works very good, no problem. Shutdown and switch off, next day does not work, and vanished. Driver again needs installing again. That is what I am saying Mark, wrong driver. Sure it seems to work and all until you boot up once again and then XP dumps it. And XP is dumping it because it isn't the correct driver for whatever reason. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0 Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
BillW50 wrote:
On 4/17/2012 8:44 AM, Mark Gary wrote: On 17/04/2012 13:53, BillW50 wrote: In , Mark Gary wrote: I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, but only as long as I did not switch the computer off (standard reboot does not effect it). When I perform a cold boot the VIA USB2 Enhanced Host Controler has vanished, and again I get the daft "your device can perform faster". I now have the problem of having to reinstall the drivers evertime I want to use my webcam, memory stick, etc. This is driving me crazy, and obviously is not what should be happening. Strangly, if I view hidden devices in device manager, it still exists, but greyed out. Note that I only plug USB1 devices (keyboard, mouse etc) into the onboard intel USB 1 ports. Please note that the system BIOS is running latest version. My system is as follows Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 (build 2600) Install Language: English (United States) System Locale: English (United Kingdom) Installed: 10/12/2008 12:21:27 1.60 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4 8 kilobyte primary memory cache 256 kilobyte secondary memory cache Not hyper-threaded Viglen W2KSEL 00:03:47:E5:73:40 System Serial Number: 1550451 Board: Intel Corporation D850MV AAA56423-301 Serial Number: IUMV20712429 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz BIOS: Intel Corp. MV85010A.86A.0067.P24.0304081124 04/08/2003 Any ideas on my problem would be very appreciated. Thanks Sounds like it isn't the right driver to me. Driver : VIA Technologies, Inc Date : 09/09/2002 Version : 5.1.2600.1106 When I reinstall the driver, and reboot works very good, no problem. Shutdown and switch off, next day does not work, and vanished. Driver again needs installing again. That is what I am saying Mark, wrong driver. Sure it seems to work and all until you boot up once again and then XP dumps it. And XP is dumping it because it isn't the correct driver for whatever reason. USB2 will only be available on the new USB card connectors. The motherboard ones will remain at USB 1.1. Windows should already have a driver, in the form of "usbport.inf". I have a sample I can see, in here. C:\WINDOWS\inf\usbport.inf The .inf will match on certain USB hardware types. Or, the generic "class" number of the USB hardware will match. So it doesn't have to explicitly match a VEN/DEV value. The free version of Lavalys Everest, can report hardware identification info, if you wanted to track down what is being reported. http://majorgeeks.com/download4181.html Or you can use Device Manager. For example, this is a generic identifier for a "standard" USB2 piece of hardware. My other PC may have had one like this. CC stands for Class Code. PCI\CC_0C0320 In terms of my USB2 device right now, I see these files for USB2 being used. All of these files, if I do properties on them, belong to Microsoft. usbehci.sys, usbhub.sys, usbport.sys, hccoin.dll, usbui.dll and that's for an "Enhanced" device manager entry in the USB section. You can check "setupapi.log" file in WinXP, where attempts to install drivers are listed in chronological order. Look for warnings or errors in there. That log file "rolls over" after a while, so you'll see several files with similar names. I suspect installing an ancient driver, that predates SP3, is a mistake. The files I have in my SP3 for USB, are all dated 4/14/2008. The "DriverVer" line in usbport.inf , is misleading, as the file is dated 4/14/2008, while the comment mentions 07/01/2001, which likely isn't correct. Some of the info in the inf, only existed after 2001 (like some of the VEN and DEV numbers for the Intel hardware). So that file really isn't "07/01/2001" in any real sense. The content is consistent with 4/14/2008. And checking the logs for the install files I used for my Asrock motherboard with VIA chipset, the VIA drivers for the chipset, don't include a USB section. So usbport.inf (already in SP3) solves that problem. VIA released copies of the Microsoft drivers, back before they were told to stop doing that. And those drivers are now a little too old (like the 2.2.5 ones). If there's an Add/Remove, perhaps they should just be removed and then, a reboot. Now, if it's still screwed up, then I'd go back to Device Manager, view the Hidden Devices again, and delete the Hidden Device for the USB. And then maybe the problem will resolve itself as the hardware is rediscovered. I seem to remember having to do that, for some other non-USB thing, delete the hidden device entry, before I could get something properly installed. Paul |
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In message , BillW50
writes: On 4/17/2012 8:44 AM, Mark Gary wrote: On 17/04/2012 13:53, BillW50 wrote: In , Mark Gary wrote: [] device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, but only as long as I did not switch the computer off (standard reboot does not effect it). [] That is what I am saying Mark, wrong driver. Sure it seems to work and all until you boot up once again and then XP dumps it. And XP is dumping it because it isn't the correct driver for whatever reason. I _think_ he's saying that a reboot _doesn't_ dump it - only cycling the power does. Which is odd, though not unprecedented (I have found things that some peripherals do hold in on-board memory). -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I'm sometimes a bit bewildered by that, really - there are no young people in it, there's no sex, there's no violence, no car chases and there's no action and no vampires. - Colin Firth on the success of the film "The King's Speech". Radio Times 10-16 September 2011 |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , BillW50 writes: On 4/17/2012 8:44 AM, Mark Gary wrote: On 17/04/2012 13:53, BillW50 wrote: In , Mark Gary wrote: [] device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, but only as long as I did not switch the computer off (standard reboot does not effect it). [] That is what I am saying Mark, wrong driver. Sure it seems to work and all until you boot up once again and then XP dumps it. And XP is dumping it because it isn't the correct driver for whatever reason. I _think_ he's saying that a reboot _doesn't_ dump it - only cycling the power does. Which is odd, though not unprecedented (I have found things that some peripherals do hold in on-board memory). Oh that would be weird. It can indeed happen but very rare. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
Mark Gary wrote:
it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller And that would be which brand and model from the hundreds, or more, available? Some provide their own driver knowing what's included in Windows won't work with their device. Others use the Windows-embedded drivers but require you update Windows to ensure you have the latest set of drivers so one of them closely matches their product. You said you have SP-3 for Windows XP so that's not the problem but not installing the driver the *maker* provides for their device could be the problem. Can't tell if the product has its own driver since you didn't mention brand and model of the product. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet Wrong place to look. If the product's *maker* has a driver, get it from there. If they don't provide a driver, they are relying on those included in Windows, not some unknown driver for some other brand's different model retrieved from an unknown source. When I perform a cold boot the VIA USB2 Enhanced Host Controler has vanished, and again I get the daft "your device can perform faster". Possibly the wrong driver as Bill suggested, especially since you didn't get the driver for THAT hardware from its maker. If the maker doesn't provide their own driver and is relying on those included with Windows, have you run through the hardware wizard to see which drivers are available in Windows? - Run the Device Management applet (devmgmt.msc). - Right-click on the USB daughtercard you installed & select Properties. - Right-click on it and select Properties for your VIA controller card. - On the General tab, a PCI bus *other* than 0 (zero) should be listed for the daughtercard (mobo controllers are on PCI bus 0). - Look under the Driver tab. Although my PCI daughtercard to add 4 USB ports uses a VIA chip, the Windows driver gets used. So under the Drivers tab, I see a Microsoft driver listed, not some VIA driver. While on the Driver tab: - Click the "Update Driver" button. - Select "No, not this time" and click Next. - Select "Install from list ..." and click Next. - Select "Don't search" and click Next. - Deselect the "View compatible hardware" option. - In the Manufacturer column, select "VIA Technologies". - Look in the Model column to pick what best matches your hardware. Here you have to do some guessing. For me, the "VIA USB Enhanced Host Controller" model is preselected. The driver for that will be listed as from Microsoft, *not* VIA back under the Driver tab in the properties for the device. You certainly don't want to pick whatever was that unknown driver you found since it obviously doesn't work with the hardware you actually have. Strangly, if I view hidden devices in device manager, it still exists, but greyed out. It is not a working device. The device is connected but it is not usable. Wrong driver. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/315539 Because the device is unknown is why you saw it ghosted (greyed out) when you elected to "Show hidden devices". If you set the environment variable as noted in the article and start devmgmt.msc from that same shell (so the env var is defined when devmgmt loads) then you'll see a whole bunch of devices that aren't currently connected but were known (enumerated) previously. With this env var used for devmgmt, and say you previously plugged in a USB camera, it will now be listed as a hidden device despite that it isn't plugged in right now. Rather than have to set this env var in a shell and then run diskmgmt from that shell (so it sees that env var value of 1), you can add this env var to the System variables. This lets you use devmgmt to see ALL disconnected devices (that have been previously enumerated because they were plugged in before). So your device was known before hence showing its enumerated data for "Show hidden devices" but it isn't considers a connected device right now (i.e., it isn't usable right now). You'll need to use the right driver for the device to be usable. |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
On 17/04/2012 8:46 AM, Mark Gary wrote:
I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, but only as long as I did not switch the computer off (standard reboot does not effect it). When I perform a cold boot the VIA USB2 Enhanced Host Controler has vanished, and again I get the daft "your device can perform faster". I now have the problem of having to reinstall the drivers evertime I want to use my webcam, memory stick, etc. This is driving me crazy, and obviously is not what should be happening. Strangly, if I view hidden devices in device manager, it still exists, but greyed out. Note that I only plug USB1 devices (keyboard, mouse etc) into the onboard intel USB 1 ports. Please note that the system BIOS is running latest version. It sounds like maybe the power supply is not giving enough juice anymore, and that it is now delaying the startup of your add-in USB board. The startup delay causes it to fallback to a safer, more conservative setting. That would be why the problem only occurs after power-on, but not during a warm reboot. Yousuf Khan |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
On 04/17/2012 07:46 AM, Mark Gary wrote:
I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, snip Try the card in a different PCI slot looks like the bios is changing the way resources are allocated. If that does not do the trick...go the them mfg's website and get the latest drivers rather then questionable ones you found on the internet. |
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On 19/04/2012 07:18, philo wrote:
On 04/17/2012 07:46 AM, Mark Gary wrote: I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, snip Try the card in a different PCI slot looks like the bios is changing the way resources are allocated. If that does not do the trick...go the them mfg's website and get the latest drivers rather then questionable ones you found on the internet. Perhaps "on the internet" is a bit of a misnomer on my part. I downloaded directly from VIA website, file name VIAUSB2V270-L. The XP part of it is in fact a filter driver, which is supposed to "enhance" the onboard Microsoft drivers. I'll try shifting it to another PCI slot, and if that does not work, I think I'll just pay for a new one with a NEC chipset, as I have been told they are much better. |
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USB 2.0 keeps reverting to USB 1
On 04/20/2012 04:25 PM, Mark Gary wrote:
On 19/04/2012 07:18, philo wrote: On 04/17/2012 07:46 AM, Mark Gary wrote: I have a computer desktop thats now a few years old. It has onboard an Intel 82801BA/BAM USB 1 controler. Because I wanted to upgrade to hi speed, it purchased a PCI USB 2.0 controller, which the system reports as a VIA Rev 5 or later. From the very start XP refused to recognise it as USB 2, and I was getting the stupid message "your device can perform faster" etc, everyting time I pluged ANY USB2 device. I did manage to find some VIA specific drivers on the internet that appeared to fix the problem, snip Try the card in a different PCI slot looks like the bios is changing the way resources are allocated. If that does not do the trick...go the them mfg's website and get the latest drivers rather then questionable ones you found on the internet. Perhaps "on the internet" is a bit of a misnomer on my part. I downloaded directly from VIA website, file name VIAUSB2V270-L. The XP part of it is in fact a filter driver, which is supposed to "enhance" the onboard Microsoft drivers. Ok, then I'm sure you got the correct driver I'll try shifting it to another PCI slot, and if that does not work, I think I'll just pay for a new one with a NEC chipset, as I have been told they are much better. No guarantee of course but I have seen that work quite a few times -- https://www.createspace.com/3707686 |
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