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  #61  
Old September 23rd 09, 07:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009 22:50:26 -0500, edfair
wrote:


Original post requested command line to be able to run xcopy.



Sorry, that's wrong. The original post said "leave windows to return
to DOS prompt."

That's very different from going to a command line, and is not
possible. What you suggest *may* work for the OP, but it is certainly
*not* what he asked for.



To get to command line:
start run cmd
or
start run command
or
start programs accessories command line
or
the reboot and selective startup to command line using [F8]

any of which might allow the xcopy to work as OP wants it to.


Once again, the fantASStic MVP stated what was wrong, but not what was
right to do.

To achieve the same affect, one simply opens the Command Prompt, often
referred to as the DOS window as a matter of fact. You're still in XP,
but you're in a mode that may run DOS games, commands, etc., depending
on the game/command etc..

I suspect the OP has left this thread with the firm idea that it's
comprised of nothing but butt-heads, and impossible to tell who to
believe or what to believe, and disgusted thanks to the likes of answers
you often give. He'd be right, too: You and others like you have turned
this into a nearly useless group for anyone lacking the expertise to
phrase things exactly as YOU want to see them phrased. Good evidence of
that is your negative statement and lack of addressing the OP's needs.
You need to return to the Clarification and Verification chapters of
Interpersonal Skills assessment.
I'll bet the OP doesn't even CARE whether he "leaves" XP or not,
that's just the best way he had of explaining what his experience is.
All he wanted to know really is how to use the DOS facilities of XP.
And you never gave a positive response to that question.

HTH,

Twayne`



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  #62  
Old September 23rd 09, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
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"Hodges" wrote in message

On Sep 22, 6:30 pm, sandy58 wrote:
On Sep 21, 6:48 pm, "Twayne" wrote:



"Stan Brown" wrote in message


t


Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:53:41 -0700 from Malke :


navnah wrote:


How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use
DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files.


There is no DOS in Windows XP so you can't do this as you could in
Win9x/ME.


Or, to answer what the OP really wants to know, click
Start | Programs | Accessories | Command prompt.


If it's not there, click Start | Run and enter this command
cmd /k
then click OK


I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is
no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone
but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". Is it
technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of
speech.


Actually, Microsoft describes the Command Prompt as a DOS window
too, in so many places one could never count them. It's even in the
Help & Support area on your own computer. The proper definition is
that XP is not BUILT ON TOP OF DOS as other windws versions were
and thus is not DOS based as other windows versions were. It does
in fact still have a DOS window, found in the Command Prompt, and
today it is much more than a simple DOS emulator since it has many
many more possible commands at the user's disposal.
Purists such as you encountered are silly and nonsensical beings in
that they have no wish to help the OP but rather only wish to show
their own egoes to the world. Who cares?


You tell them, Twayne. DOS works with XP. If I can move stuff around,
get rid of files etc that won't move in Windows, et al......I have
DOS!!!! Pseudo or whatever the so-called MS fundi's want to call
it.......it's freakin' DOS!! Just because MS used the story as a
sales pitch (people were scared of DOS) "Windows XP has no DOS"
these afore- mentioned fundis use the same dogma, "No such thing as
DOS in....." till they begin to actually believe their chant.


DOS does not work with XP and cannot read NTFS volumes without 3rd-
party applications such as NTFS4DOS. The command prompt is not the
DOS operating system just because it is a command-line interpreter.
This isn't just arguing semantics here, it really is NOT the same as
DOS. It isn't even an emulator. DOS is 16-bit, programs that run
under Windows XP's command line are 32-bit.

By your logic, Windows 95 is the same as XP in the Windows Classic
theme because they look similar.

Calling the command-line interpreter "DOS" is just as ignorant as
calling a computer tower or monitor the CPU.


Once again, another post with totally moot points. If you have no room
in your life for newbies who haven't yet gotten hold of the lingo, then
you should go elsewhere to show off your ego. If you aren't going to
address the OP's question somehow, then you have/had no business posting
anything here.
Windows95 is windows.
windows is not necessarily win9x or winXP or ... .
Therefore I could easily say "windows" and mean XP. And since this is
an XP group ...
This post is of no use to anyone.


  #63  
Old September 23rd 09, 07:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Twayne[_2_]
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"Hodges" wrote in message

On Sep 22, 6:30 pm, sandy58 wrote:
On Sep 21, 6:48 pm, "Twayne" wrote:



"Stan Brown" wrote in message


t


Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:53:41 -0700 from Malke :


navnah wrote:


How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use
DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files.


There is no DOS in Windows XP so you can't do this as you could in
Win9x/ME.


Or, to answer what the OP really wants to know, click
Start | Programs | Accessories | Command prompt.


If it's not there, click Start | Run and enter this command
cmd /k
then click OK


I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is
no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone
but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". Is it
technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of
speech.


Actually, Microsoft describes the Command Prompt as a DOS window
too, in so many places one could never count them. It's even in the
Help & Support area on your own computer. The proper definition is
that XP is not BUILT ON TOP OF DOS as other windws versions were
and thus is not DOS based as other windows versions were. It does
in fact still have a DOS window, found in the Command Prompt, and
today it is much more than a simple DOS emulator since it has many
many more possible commands at the user's disposal.
Purists such as you encountered are silly and nonsensical beings in
that they have no wish to help the OP but rather only wish to show
their own egoes to the world. Who cares?


You tell them, Twayne. DOS works with XP. If I can move stuff around,
get rid of files etc that won't move in Windows, et al......I have
DOS!!!! Pseudo or whatever the so-called MS fundi's want to call
it.......it's freakin' DOS!! Just because MS used the story as a
sales pitch (people were scared of DOS) "Windows XP has no DOS"
these afore- mentioned fundis use the same dogma, "No such thing as
DOS in....." till they begin to actually believe their chant.


DOS does not work with XP and cannot read NTFS volumes without 3rd-
party applications such as NTFS4DOS. The command prompt is not the
DOS operating system just because it is a command-line interpreter.
This isn't just arguing semantics here, it really is NOT the same as
DOS. It isn't even an emulator. DOS is 16-bit, programs that run
under Windows XP's command line are 32-bit.

By your logic, Windows 95 is the same as XP in the Windows Classic
theme because they look similar.

Calling the command-line interpreter "DOS" is just as ignorant as
calling a computer tower or monitor the CPU.


Once again, another post with totally moot points. If you have no room
in your life for newbies who haven't yet gotten hold of the lingo, then
you should go elsewhere to show off your ego. If you aren't going to
address the OP's question somehow, then you have/had no business posting
anything here.
Windows95 is windows.
windows is not necessarily win9x or winXP or ... .
Therefore I could easily say "windows" and mean XP. And since this is
an XP group ...
This post is of no use to anyone.


  #64  
Old September 23rd 09, 08:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
N. Miller
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:46:03 -0400, Twayne wrote:

Once again, the fantASStic MVP stated what was wrong, but not what was
right to do.


What is right depends upon what is desired. OP indicated, possibly, the
expectation to exit from Windows into MS DOS. Entirely feasible with Windows
98, and earlier; but even with Windows Me, required as special MS DOS boot
disc, or, possibly, modification of the standard Me installation. I never
gave it a thought to try, the EBD worked fine, for me.

It is, however, not possible to exit from Windows XP into MS DOS; because
there is no MS DOS to exit into. With Windows XP, if the intent is to exit
from Windows, then one is going to need an MS DOS boot disk; with the added
issue that MS DOS can't read NTFS volumes.

To achieve the same affect, one simply opens the Command Prompt, often
referred to as the DOS window as a matter of fact. You're still in XP,
but you're in a mode that may run DOS games, commands, etc., depending
on the game/command etc..


It is should probably be pointed out to the OP that this is an "effect", but
not the same as actually leaving Windows for MS DOS. Just for the OP's
edification; lest he leave thinking that invoking the command prompt ("DOS
box") is identical to "leaving Windows and dropping into MS DOS (it is most
definitely not).

I suspect the OP has left this thread with the firm idea that it's
comprised of nothing but butt-heads, and impossible to tell who to
believe or what to believe, and disgusted thanks to the likes of
answers you often give.


But you aren't helping matters, much!

He'd be right, too: You and others like you have turned this into a nearly
useless group for anyone lacking the expertise to phrase things exactly as
YOU want to see them phrased. Good evidence of that is your negative statement
and lack of addressing the OP's needs.


What the OP wanted, and what he needed, were two different things. What he
wanted is impossible under Windows XP. What he needed was an education, not
positive reinforcement of an incorrect assumption (that it is possible to
exit Windows XP and enter MS DOS).

You need to return to the Clarification and Verification chapters of Interpersonal
Skills assessment.


When you have done that, yourself, get back to us and report on your
findings!

I'll bet the OP doesn't even CARE whether he "leaves" XP or not,
that's just the best way he had of explaining what his experience is.
All he wanted to know really is how to use the DOS facilities of XP.
And you never gave a positive response to that question.


Now you are making an assumption. And, in case you don't know, "Assume" make
an "Ass" of "u" and "me". You could be just as wrong as you could be right.
Flip a coin: Heads you nailed it, tails you missed it.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
  #65  
Old September 23rd 09, 08:55 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
N. Miller
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Posts: 296
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:46:03 -0400, Twayne wrote:

Once again, the fantASStic MVP stated what was wrong, but not what was
right to do.


What is right depends upon what is desired. OP indicated, possibly, the
expectation to exit from Windows into MS DOS. Entirely feasible with Windows
98, and earlier; but even with Windows Me, required as special MS DOS boot
disc, or, possibly, modification of the standard Me installation. I never
gave it a thought to try, the EBD worked fine, for me.

It is, however, not possible to exit from Windows XP into MS DOS; because
there is no MS DOS to exit into. With Windows XP, if the intent is to exit
from Windows, then one is going to need an MS DOS boot disk; with the added
issue that MS DOS can't read NTFS volumes.

To achieve the same affect, one simply opens the Command Prompt, often
referred to as the DOS window as a matter of fact. You're still in XP,
but you're in a mode that may run DOS games, commands, etc., depending
on the game/command etc..


It is should probably be pointed out to the OP that this is an "effect", but
not the same as actually leaving Windows for MS DOS. Just for the OP's
edification; lest he leave thinking that invoking the command prompt ("DOS
box") is identical to "leaving Windows and dropping into MS DOS (it is most
definitely not).

I suspect the OP has left this thread with the firm idea that it's
comprised of nothing but butt-heads, and impossible to tell who to
believe or what to believe, and disgusted thanks to the likes of
answers you often give.


But you aren't helping matters, much!

He'd be right, too: You and others like you have turned this into a nearly
useless group for anyone lacking the expertise to phrase things exactly as
YOU want to see them phrased. Good evidence of that is your negative statement
and lack of addressing the OP's needs.


What the OP wanted, and what he needed, were two different things. What he
wanted is impossible under Windows XP. What he needed was an education, not
positive reinforcement of an incorrect assumption (that it is possible to
exit Windows XP and enter MS DOS).

You need to return to the Clarification and Verification chapters of Interpersonal
Skills assessment.


When you have done that, yourself, get back to us and report on your
findings!

I'll bet the OP doesn't even CARE whether he "leaves" XP or not,
that's just the best way he had of explaining what his experience is.
All he wanted to know really is how to use the DOS facilities of XP.
And you never gave a positive response to that question.


Now you are making an assumption. And, in case you don't know, "Assume" make
an "Ass" of "u" and "me". You could be just as wrong as you could be right.
Flip a coin: Heads you nailed it, tails you missed it.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
  #66  
Old September 23rd 09, 10:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Peter Foldes
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Norman

Planning on becoming a Diplomat anytime soon. LOL

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"N. Miller" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:46:03 -0400, Twayne wrote:

Once again, the fantASStic MVP stated what was wrong, but not what was
right to do.


What is right depends upon what is desired. OP indicated, possibly, the
expectation to exit from Windows into MS DOS. Entirely feasible with Windows
98, and earlier; but even with Windows Me, required as special MS DOS boot
disc, or, possibly, modification of the standard Me installation. I never
gave it a thought to try, the EBD worked fine, for me.

It is, however, not possible to exit from Windows XP into MS DOS; because
there is no MS DOS to exit into. With Windows XP, if the intent is to exit
from Windows, then one is going to need an MS DOS boot disk; with the added
issue that MS DOS can't read NTFS volumes.

To achieve the same affect, one simply opens the Command Prompt, often
referred to as the DOS window as a matter of fact. You're still in XP,
but you're in a mode that may run DOS games, commands, etc., depending
on the game/command etc..


It is should probably be pointed out to the OP that this is an "effect", but
not the same as actually leaving Windows for MS DOS. Just for the OP's
edification; lest he leave thinking that invoking the command prompt ("DOS
box") is identical to "leaving Windows and dropping into MS DOS (it is most
definitely not).

I suspect the OP has left this thread with the firm idea that it's
comprised of nothing but butt-heads, and impossible to tell who to
believe or what to believe, and disgusted thanks to the likes of
answers you often give.


But you aren't helping matters, much!

He'd be right, too: You and others like you have turned this into a nearly
useless group for anyone lacking the expertise to phrase things exactly as
YOU want to see them phrased. Good evidence of that is your negative statement
and lack of addressing the OP's needs.


What the OP wanted, and what he needed, were two different things. What he
wanted is impossible under Windows XP. What he needed was an education, not
positive reinforcement of an incorrect assumption (that it is possible to
exit Windows XP and enter MS DOS).

You need to return to the Clarification and Verification chapters of
Interpersonal
Skills assessment.


When you have done that, yourself, get back to us and report on your
findings!

I'll bet the OP doesn't even CARE whether he "leaves" XP or not,
that's just the best way he had of explaining what his experience is.
All he wanted to know really is how to use the DOS facilities of XP.
And you never gave a positive response to that question.


Now you are making an assumption. And, in case you don't know, "Assume" make
an "Ass" of "u" and "me". You could be just as wrong as you could be right.
Flip a coin: Heads you nailed it, tails you missed it.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


  #67  
Old September 23rd 09, 10:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Peter Foldes
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Norman

Planning on becoming a Diplomat anytime soon. LOL

--
Peter

Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.

"N. Miller" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:46:03 -0400, Twayne wrote:

Once again, the fantASStic MVP stated what was wrong, but not what was
right to do.


What is right depends upon what is desired. OP indicated, possibly, the
expectation to exit from Windows into MS DOS. Entirely feasible with Windows
98, and earlier; but even with Windows Me, required as special MS DOS boot
disc, or, possibly, modification of the standard Me installation. I never
gave it a thought to try, the EBD worked fine, for me.

It is, however, not possible to exit from Windows XP into MS DOS; because
there is no MS DOS to exit into. With Windows XP, if the intent is to exit
from Windows, then one is going to need an MS DOS boot disk; with the added
issue that MS DOS can't read NTFS volumes.

To achieve the same affect, one simply opens the Command Prompt, often
referred to as the DOS window as a matter of fact. You're still in XP,
but you're in a mode that may run DOS games, commands, etc., depending
on the game/command etc..


It is should probably be pointed out to the OP that this is an "effect", but
not the same as actually leaving Windows for MS DOS. Just for the OP's
edification; lest he leave thinking that invoking the command prompt ("DOS
box") is identical to "leaving Windows and dropping into MS DOS (it is most
definitely not).

I suspect the OP has left this thread with the firm idea that it's
comprised of nothing but butt-heads, and impossible to tell who to
believe or what to believe, and disgusted thanks to the likes of
answers you often give.


But you aren't helping matters, much!

He'd be right, too: You and others like you have turned this into a nearly
useless group for anyone lacking the expertise to phrase things exactly as
YOU want to see them phrased. Good evidence of that is your negative statement
and lack of addressing the OP's needs.


What the OP wanted, and what he needed, were two different things. What he
wanted is impossible under Windows XP. What he needed was an education, not
positive reinforcement of an incorrect assumption (that it is possible to
exit Windows XP and enter MS DOS).

You need to return to the Clarification and Verification chapters of
Interpersonal
Skills assessment.


When you have done that, yourself, get back to us and report on your
findings!

I'll bet the OP doesn't even CARE whether he "leaves" XP or not,
that's just the best way he had of explaining what his experience is.
All he wanted to know really is how to use the DOS facilities of XP.
And you never gave a positive response to that question.


Now you are making an assumption. And, in case you don't know, "Assume" make
an "Ass" of "u" and "me". You could be just as wrong as you could be right.
Flip a coin: Heads you nailed it, tails you missed it.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


  #68  
Old September 23rd 09, 11:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
N. Miller
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:51:04 -0400, Peter Foldes wrote:

Planning on becoming a Diplomat anytime soon. LOL


War is a form of diplomacy. I'll stick with M16s, M60s, and M109s, thank you
(though those are now obsolete).

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
  #69  
Old September 23rd 09, 11:24 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
N. Miller
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Posts: 296
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On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 17:51:04 -0400, Peter Foldes wrote:

Planning on becoming a Diplomat anytime soon. LOL


War is a form of diplomacy. I'll stick with M16s, M60s, and M109s, thank you
(though those are now obsolete).

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
  #70  
Old September 24th 09, 05:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Shenan Stanley
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snipped

Steve Hayes wrote:
Rubbish.

What he wanted to know was how to use the xcopy command.

He didn't say he wanted to "exit" Windows at all.

He wanted to leave the GUI in order to enter the xcopy command at
the command line.


navnah;

Click on your start button, find and click on RUN and in the blank, type in
the following:

cmd /k xcopy /?

then you should click the OK button.

This will bring up a command prompt where you can issue all sorts of command
line scripts and use all sorts of command line tools. It will also give you
the HELP for the XCOPY command still built in Windows XP.

If - in the future - you just want the command prompt, the command you type
will be just:

cmd

and a new command prompt will open. You could also look under the
"Accessories" under the "All Programs" of your Start menu and find the
command prompt icon that will do something similar.


Everyone else;

Semantics and religious zealotry when it comes to this particular material?
Really?

Quoting the question word for word...
"How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt?"

What do you know, the word "exit" was not used. Only the word "leave".
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/exit
"exit (verb)" entry...
Meaning: to leave a place often for another

However - this argument is just getting silly now. The original poster is
the only one that could clarify what they meant to say/wanted to do and with
all the ridiculous bickering (yep - I just added to it in fun and to
demonstrate the level this has gotten to... or actually, dropped to) I doubt
that will ever occur. ;-)

What one says and what one means may not be an exact reflection of one
another. Go funhouse mirrors!

Entire conversation:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...aeca3a701120b/

42 responses for one query and one statement of purpose. Amazing(ly
ridiculous.)

Continue bickering amongst yourselves. I guess better over this than
anything serious. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


  #71  
Old September 24th 09, 05:35 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
Shenan Stanley
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Posts: 10,523
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snipped

Steve Hayes wrote:
Rubbish.

What he wanted to know was how to use the xcopy command.

He didn't say he wanted to "exit" Windows at all.

He wanted to leave the GUI in order to enter the xcopy command at
the command line.


navnah;

Click on your start button, find and click on RUN and in the blank, type in
the following:

cmd /k xcopy /?

then you should click the OK button.

This will bring up a command prompt where you can issue all sorts of command
line scripts and use all sorts of command line tools. It will also give you
the HELP for the XCOPY command still built in Windows XP.

If - in the future - you just want the command prompt, the command you type
will be just:

cmd

and a new command prompt will open. You could also look under the
"Accessories" under the "All Programs" of your Start menu and find the
command prompt icon that will do something similar.


Everyone else;

Semantics and religious zealotry when it comes to this particular material?
Really?

Quoting the question word for word...
"How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt?"

What do you know, the word "exit" was not used. Only the word "leave".
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/exit
"exit (verb)" entry...
Meaning: to leave a place often for another

However - this argument is just getting silly now. The original poster is
the only one that could clarify what they meant to say/wanted to do and with
all the ridiculous bickering (yep - I just added to it in fun and to
demonstrate the level this has gotten to... or actually, dropped to) I doubt
that will ever occur. ;-)

What one says and what one means may not be an exact reflection of one
another. Go funhouse mirrors!

Entire conversation:
http://groups.google.com/group/micro...aeca3a701120b/

42 responses for one query and one statement of purpose. Amazing(ly
ridiculous.)

Continue bickering amongst yourselves. I guess better over this than
anything serious. ;-)

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html


  #72  
Old September 24th 09, 08:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
N. Miller
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:12:34 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

Rubbish.

What he wanted to know was how to use the xcopy command.


What the OP said:

| How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt?

How do you "leave" Windows without "exiting"? Basic English. You are
interpolating what you think he wanted with what he actually said. You may
be right, in the end, but it is he who used ambiguous English. Let him
return to the thread to disambiguate his statement; don't be putting words
in his mouth that you think he may have meant, unless you are privy to
knowledge that the rest of us mortals have not.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
  #73  
Old September 24th 09, 08:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
N. Miller
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Posts: 296
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:12:34 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

Rubbish.

What he wanted to know was how to use the xcopy command.


What the OP said:

| How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt?

How do you "leave" Windows without "exiting"? Basic English. You are
interpolating what you think he wanted with what he actually said. You may
be right, in the end, but it is he who used ambiguous English. Let him
return to the thread to disambiguate his statement; don't be putting words
in his mouth that you think he may have meant, unless you are privy to
knowledge that the rest of us mortals have not.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
  #74  
Old September 24th 09, 09:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
N. Miller
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:40:23 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:55:51 -0700, "N. Miller"
wrote:


On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:12:34 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:


Rubbish.

What he wanted to know was how to use the xcopy command.


What the OP said:


| How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt?


How do you "leave" Windows without "exiting"? Basic English. You are
interpolating what you think he wanted with what he actually said. You may
be right, in the end, but it is he who used ambiguous English. Let him
return to the thread to disambiguate his statement; don't be putting words
in his mouth that you think he may have meant, unless you are privy to
knowledge that the rest of us mortals have not.


It's a metaphor, my china ...


Your Chinese sucks!

... and Windows uses lots of metaphors, in order to make it "user friendly"
and enable the user to avoid having to know all about the underlying intricacies
of the operating system.


'Twas the OP's words, not Windows. I don't know the OP well enough to know
that he speaks in metaphors. Do you?

Windows uses paper file folders as a metaphor for directories, which is a bit
like early cars having reins coming through the dashboard and a socket for a
whip.


Not really. And I really do hate car analogies; they are usually strained
beyond any utility.

The letter kills, but the spirit gives life, and Windows uses too many
metaphors as it is, but it's in the spirit of Windows to do so, and so if the
user wants to leave the GUI in order to give commands to the operating system,
so be it.


But you don't "leave the GUI" when you invoke a command prompt. The GUI is
right their under the command prompt window.

He doesn't necessarily want to close Windows, just not work through
it for the moment.


Or so you assume.

Originally the GUI ran on top of the operating system, now it is more integrated,
but for the purpose of what the user wants to do, it doesn't matter. The spirit
of Windows is to try to be user friendly. It doesn't always succeed, but it
doesn't need people deliberately trying to make it user hostile.


None of which disambiguates the OP's ambiguous statement.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
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Old September 24th 09, 09:39 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.basics
N. Miller
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:40:23 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:

On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:55:51 -0700, "N. Miller"
wrote:


On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:12:34 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:


Rubbish.

What he wanted to know was how to use the xcopy command.


What the OP said:


| How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt?


How do you "leave" Windows without "exiting"? Basic English. You are
interpolating what you think he wanted with what he actually said. You may
be right, in the end, but it is he who used ambiguous English. Let him
return to the thread to disambiguate his statement; don't be putting words
in his mouth that you think he may have meant, unless you are privy to
knowledge that the rest of us mortals have not.


It's a metaphor, my china ...


Your Chinese sucks!

... and Windows uses lots of metaphors, in order to make it "user friendly"
and enable the user to avoid having to know all about the underlying intricacies
of the operating system.


'Twas the OP's words, not Windows. I don't know the OP well enough to know
that he speaks in metaphors. Do you?

Windows uses paper file folders as a metaphor for directories, which is a bit
like early cars having reins coming through the dashboard and a socket for a
whip.


Not really. And I really do hate car analogies; they are usually strained
beyond any utility.

The letter kills, but the spirit gives life, and Windows uses too many
metaphors as it is, but it's in the spirit of Windows to do so, and so if the
user wants to leave the GUI in order to give commands to the operating system,
so be it.


But you don't "leave the GUI" when you invoke a command prompt. The GUI is
right their under the command prompt window.

He doesn't necessarily want to close Windows, just not work through
it for the moment.


Or so you assume.

Originally the GUI ran on top of the operating system, now it is more integrated,
but for the purpose of what the user wants to do, it doesn't matter. The spirit
of Windows is to try to be user friendly. It doesn't always succeed, but it
doesn't need people deliberately trying to make it user hostile.


None of which disambiguates the OP's ambiguous statement.

--
Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum
 




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