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7 Best Alternatives To Microsoft Office Suite - 2019 Edition
Zaghadka wrote:
On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, nospam wrote: In article , Zaghadka wrote: (By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal September.) that's a valid character in a subject or body. you need to update your newsreader to modern standards. My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I meant "news servers." They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle. That rule on E-S, exists to stop a single user from messing around :-) That user has even visited this group, so I won't be naming names. Paul |
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:01:31 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Paul
wrote: Zaghadka wrote: On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, nospam wrote: In article , Zaghadka wrote: (By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal September.) that's a valid character in a subject or body. you need to update your newsreader to modern standards. My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I meant "news servers." They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle. That rule on E-S, exists to stop a single user from messing around :-) That user has even visited this group, so I won't be naming names. LOL. Thank you for that nugget, Paul. -- Zag No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten |
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:01:31 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Paul
wrote: Zaghadka wrote: On Thu, 05 Dec 2019 16:40:00 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, nospam wrote: In article , Zaghadka wrote: (By the way, you used a non-ASCII long hyphen in the subject line and not all news readers handle it. I had to change the header to post to Eternal September.) that's a valid character in a subject or body. you need to update your newsreader to modern standards. My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I meant "news servers." They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle. That rule on E-S, exists to stop a single user from messing around :-) That user has even visited this group, so I won't be naming names. Paul My email is valid, unlike a lot of people these days on Usenet. Tell me more, LOL. ;^) -- Zag No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten |
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Zaghadka wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 02:01:31 -0500, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Paul wrote: That rule on E-S, exists to stop a single user from messing around :-) That user has even visited this group, so I won't be naming names. LOL. Thank you for that nugget, Paul. And by messing around, I mean, making a nuisance of themselves. The individual is an active promoter of "HTML everywhere" for example, even though few group charters allow that (microsoft.*). The gentleman is a wizard with fonts. Paul |
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:02:48 -0500, nospam wrote:
In article , Char Jackson wrote: there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must, the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage. Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are watching. :-( I'm not sure that's in any way unfortunate. There's always someone who missed the presentation or someone who wants to archive the topics of discussion. The printed presentation is fine for those purposes. At a minimum, it can serve as the basis for follow-up questions. What else would you prefer? a folder of pdfs from various seminars/classes/etc. rather than a stack of paper, making it trivial to search for a specific event or a slide within a presentation. "class notes that are passed out" can certainly be via pdf. I'm fine with that. I was just commenting on the fact that the thing that gets passed out is essentially the presentation slides, whether they be in paper or electronic form. Personally, I greatly prefer electronic form. I see that my previous reply wasn't clear in that regard. |
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Imhothep wrote:
[ Subject line edit... ] Lets see if this posts on this server. There are lots of things you can do, and here are a few examples. Yours is at the top of the picture. https://i.postimg.cc/k44J36BL/escape-sequences.gif Now, when I try to post this, mine should be blocked. Paul |
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Imhothep wrote:
Lets see if this posts on this server. I'll try switching my charset to UTF-8, maybe that will re-code the Subject line for me. Paul |
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Paul wrote:
Imhothep wrote: Lets see if this posts on this server. I'll try switching my charset to UTF-8, maybe that will re-code the Subject line for me. Paul That got me this as a Subject line. Subject: =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IDcgQmVzdCBBbHRlcm5hdGl2ZXMgVG8gTWljcm9zb2 Z0IE9mZmk=?= =?UTF-8?B?Y2UgU3VpdGUg4oCUIDIwMTkgRWRpdGlvbg==?= Versus the original post, which looks like Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?7_Best_Alternatives_To_Microsoft_Office_Suite_ =e2=80=94_2?= =?UTF-8?Q?019_Edition?= I guess there's something to be said for not re-encoding something too many times. There's no guarantee that even if I copied the original subject string into a new post, the encoding would stay put. Paul |
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nospam wrote:
In article , Ken Springer wrote: there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must, the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage. Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are watching. :-( that does happen, but more commonly, a pdf is available for download and/or distributed to the students via email. Which, is just your opinion as to how everyone does it. no, it's what actually happens in secondary schools, universities and industry conferences. Ha ha ha ha ha!!! What a blinkered life you lead! Not even close to reality. I work at university and attend many conferences. What you state is not the norm. At best you can request for the presenter's slides, but there's no guarantee you'll get them. it's a *lot* cheaper and a lot less waste versus printing. True. Teachers and lectures are heavily time pressured, however, so they either won't make handouts available at all or just make the ppt slides available. They will not bother exporting them. |
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malone wrote:
On 5-Dec-2019 10:50 am, David wrote: According to the article ..... Here are the MS Office alternatives at a glance: Google Docs LibreOffice Office Online Apple iWork WPS Office Calligra Office DropBox Paper Details he https://fossbytes.com/best-alternati...rosoft-office/ Would you recommend one of the above for use with Windows 10 or would you suggest Open Office?Â* https://www.openoffice.org TIA I'm trapped. Even with my limited knowledge of Visual Basic for Applications I find that my extensive use of macros is absolutely essential in order to maximise my productivity. I have over 20 years worth of macros for Excel and Word which I rely on. None of the applications listed above can deal with Microsoft VBA so I have no choice. Oh the beauty of lock-in. I have a colleague like that with excel. I'm trying to get him to learn R but it's a struggle. He sees the benefit, but can't undo his excel knowledge. I'm in the process of weaning myself off word to Markdown + git. That way i can produce any version of document i want via pandoc and have proper version control rather than word's "track changes" shambles. I'm still trying to work out the best way to share and collaborate with Word diehards. |
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"Zaghadka" wrote
| you need to update your newsreader to modern standards. | | My newsreader handles, displays, and sends it fine. Eternal September | chokes on it as invalid. I made an oopsie when I said "news readers." I | meant "news servers." | | They probably use only 128 bit ASCII as a matter of principle. This is a perfect example of ignorance in using computers. There's no need to use a long UTF-8 dash. There isn't even a keyboard button for it. UTF-8 is meant to handle internationalization. It's fine for foreign languages in HTML. But people using long dashes and curly braces restrict adaptability for no reason. ASCII is valid UTF-8 but UTF-8 is not ASCII. It's exactly the same thing people are talking about with Powerpoint. People use it because it's what they know, and often it's all they know. They don't realize that some others use their computer for something other than Word and Powerpoint. If they distribute class notes, that could be in the form of plain text, for adaptability and editability. Why don't they? Because they don't know what they're doing and PPT looks more official. And why PDF? Again, it's idiocy born of ignorance and trying to look official. PDF is for precise printing. If I get notes from a class I'd want to be able to edit them. The first thing I'd do would be to convert them to plain text. But many people won't know how to do that and/or won't have software to do it. |
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"Chris" wrote
| None of the applications listed above can deal with Microsoft VBA so I | have no choice. | | Oh the beauty of lock-in. To be fair, I wouldn't call that lock-in. They promote lock-in with their proprietary format, their incompatibility between versions, and their aggressive pushing of MSO to college students. Those factors have made MSO one of Microsoft's very few successes. Essentially they're in the business of monopoly, not software or services. But VBA is a brilliant addition, and no one has to use it. The people who do are generally people who do much of their job with MSO. |
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On 12/5/19 9:54 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 21:08:50 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: On 12/5/19 7:27 AM, nospam wrote: there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must, the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage. Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are watching. :-( I'm not sure that's in any way unfortunate. There's always someone who missed the presentation or someone who wants to archive the topics of discussion. The printed presentation is fine for those purposes. At a minimum, it can serve as the basis for follow-up questions. What else would you prefer? So much depends on the person doing the presentation. I've been to many where all the presenter does is read the text from the slide. If that's all they do, then why are you there? I would prefer the presenter use the information from the slide as a basis, a foundation, to present additional information, as you stated. But, many don't. :-( -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 12/6/19 12:17 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Dec 2019 00:02:48 -0500, nospam wrote: In article , Char Jackson wrote: there's no need to print a powerpoint presentation, but if you must, the background can be disabled to minimize ink usage. Unfortunately, I've been to many an instructional presentation where the class notes that are passed out are just the presentation you are watching. :-( I'm not sure that's in any way unfortunate. There's always someone who missed the presentation or someone who wants to archive the topics of discussion. The printed presentation is fine for those purposes. At a minimum, it can serve as the basis for follow-up questions. What else would you prefer? a folder of pdfs from various seminars/classes/etc. rather than a stack of paper, making it trivial to search for a specific event or a slide within a presentation. "class notes that are passed out" can certainly be via pdf. I'm fine with that. I was just commenting on the fact that the thing that gets passed out is essentially the presentation slides, whether they be in paper or electronic form. Personally, I greatly prefer electronic form. I see that my previous reply wasn't clear in that regard. For many, or at least some, paper provides more options for reading/reviewing than an electronic file. Provide both. :-) -- Ken MacOS 10.14.6 Firefox 70.0.1 Thunderbird 60.9 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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"Ken Springer" wrote
Are you having trouble with your newsreader? You just made 3 responses to what I wrote and I can't decipher any connection between my words and yours. |
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