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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Mark Lloyd wrote: On 11/26/20 11:51 PM, Arlen Holder wrote: [snip] BTW, has the docsys version cable companies support _ever_ changed? When I first got cable internet (about 2006) the cable company used DOCSIS 2 modems. Now those are unacceptable, only DOCSIS 3 modems will work. BTW, DOCSIS = Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification. When I first got cable on 3/10/2001, it was not DOCSIS compliant. It was crap. Lots of outages, slow, etc. in the city. And then, Adelphia redid its cable infrastructure to DOCSIS and digital which made everything better! To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too many users off a central router. The result was at 9PM, people were getting 1.5Mbit/sec??? or so. At the mall, Rogers had a booth, attempting to get people to sign up for the service. An "angry mob" circulated around the booth, mumbling about the speeds they were getting. Looked very much like angry bees :-) I happened to step too close to the bees, and one of the bees told me what kind of speed I could expect. I flew off and continued on my way. Rogers responded by closing the booth, so the bees had nothing to buzz around. That takes all the fun out of it. They've put more infrastructure into it since then. Paul |
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Paul wrote:
.... When I first got cable (Excite@Home) on 3/10/2001, it was not DOCSIS compliant. It was crap. Lots of outages, slow, etc. in the city. And then, Adelphia redid its cable infrastructure to DOCSIS and digital which made everything better! To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too many users off a central router. The result was at 9PM, people were getting 1.5Mbit/sec??? or so. At the mall, Rogers had a booth, attempting to get people to sign up for the service. An "angry mob" circulated around the booth, mumbling about the speeds they were getting. Looked very much like angry bees :-) I happened to step too close to the bees, and one of the bees told me what kind of speed I could expect. I flew off and continued on my way. 1.5 Mbs? Ha, I only got like 10 kBs. Still better than my 3 kBs dial-up speeds with good connections for compressed files. This was for downloading. During non-peak hours like 3 AM PT, I got like 450 kBs. :O -- Life's so loco! ..!.. *isms, sins, hates, (d)evil, z, tiredness, my old body, (sick/ill)ness (e.g., COVID-19 & SARS-CoV-2), deaths (RIP), interruptions, issues, conflicts, obstacles, stresses, fires, out(r)ages, dramas, unlucky #4, 2020, greeds, bugs (e.g., crashes & female mosquitoes), etc. D: Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org. / /\ /\ \ Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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Ant wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Paul wrote: ... When I first got cable (Excite@Home) on 3/10/2001, it was not DOCSIS compliant. It was crap. Lots of outages, slow, etc. in the city. And then, Adelphia redid its cable infrastructure to DOCSIS and digital which made everything better! To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too many users off a central router. The result was at 9PM, people were getting 1.5Mbit/sec??? or so. At the mall, Rogers had a booth, attempting to get people to sign up for the service. An "angry mob" circulated around the booth, mumbling about the speeds they were getting. Looked very much like angry bees :-) I happened to step too close to the bees, and one of the bees told me what kind of speed I could expect. I flew off and continued on my way. 1.5 Mbs? Ha, I only got like 10 kBs. Still better than my 3 kBs dial-up speeds with good connections for compressed files. This was for downloading. During non-peak hours like 3 AM PT, I got like 450 kBs. :O When I started with cable/'coax' Internet - May 2003 -, the specified/ maximum speeds were 300/64. Not bad heh!? Oops, that was *K*bps, not Mbps! :-) Now it's upto 1000/50 Mbps. (I have 'only' 50/5 Mbps, which is plenty enough for me.) So in 17 years, that's a 3333 times increase in download speed, all with the same 'last-mile' [1] infrastructure! (And even for lowly me, 167 times.) [1] No it isn't a mile, probably only 100 metres or so. |
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"Paul" wrote | To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a | mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too | many users off a central router. I remember that. I never had cable until much later, but I remember that it was basically an old-fashioned party line. Is it still, just with more capacity? I don't know. Back then people were finding their neighbors' desktops in Network Neighborhood. Then again, there was no real security issue. Tech experts had managed to scan a picture of their cat and send it via email. Or they figured out how to print a party announcement with "robot font". No one was shopping, banking, or actually living their lives online. It was still a novelty. |
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On 11/28/20 4:36 AM, Ant wrote:
[snip] 1.5 Mbs? Ha, I only got like 10 kBs. Still better than my 3 kBs dial-up speeds with good connections for compressed files. This was for downloading. During non-peak hours like 3 AM PT, I got like 450 kBs. :O When I first got cable internet, the speed was 1Mbps, and the service was usually good. However, they did have a problem. The modem I had that they told me would work, was incompatible with their system. It took 5 long calls to customer service, a billing error, a visit from a technician, and a trip to the local office (for the new modem the tech was supposed to bring) to get it working. Now, I have something good to say about Cox customer service. A couple of years later when that modem quit working, I got someone who knew just what to do. This modem was working when I had to replace it (moving to DOCSIS 3 speed). -- 27 days until the winter celebration (Fri, Dec 25, 2020 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." [Woody Allen] |
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On 11/28/20 7:57 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote | To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a | mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too | many users off a central router. I remember that. I never had cable until much later, but I remember that it was basically an old-fashioned party line. Is it still, just with more capacity? I don't know. Back then people were finding their neighbors' desktops in Network Neighborhood. I didn't have cable internet at the time (this area isn't that overpopulated, so didn't have the service until 2006). Now somewhere (probably both ISP and router) block the SaMBa ports. Then again, there was no real security issue. Tech experts had managed to scan a picture of their cat and send it via email. Or they figured out how to print a party announcement with "robot font". No one was shopping, banking, or actually living their lives online. It was still a novelty. -- 27 days until the winter celebration (Fri, Dec 25, 2020 12:00:00 AM for 1 day). Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "To YOU I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition." [Woody Allen] |
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 14:38:38 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 11/28/20 7:57 AM, Mayayana wrote: "Paul" wrote | To be fair though, at launch, cable distribution of Internet was a | mess. For example, in the city I'm in, they tried to run way too | many users off a central router. I remember that. I never had cable until much later, but I remember that it was basically an old-fashioned party line. Is it still, just with more capacity? I don't know. Back then people were finding their neighbors' desktops in Network Neighborhood. I didn't have cable internet at the time (this area isn't that overpopulated, so didn't have the service until 2006). Now somewhere (probably both ISP and router) block the SaMBa ports. You can no longer browse your neighbor's networks because of a DOCSIS feature called Baseline Privacy (BPI or BPI+). BPI uses PKI to encrypt the traffic between each cable modem and its CMTS. I think they introduced BPI in about 2001 with DOCSIS 1.1. The second post here explains it in a bit more detail. https://docsis.org/forums/docsis-chat/need-help-bpibpi |
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