Vista & Vienna

Microsoft was talking about Vienna, before Vista was even out the door.
It sounds like FUD to me. They realized how crappy Vista was, so they
wanted us to focus on the vaporware of the future.




On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:17:43 -0800, Zim Babwe wrote:

Who really cares about Vista and it's new features when the current
Microsoft disaster has given so many people headaches and quite a few want
to return to XP? Now we are speculating on Vienna? The body isn't even
cold yet!!!



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"Zim Babwe"
zimbabwe@if_you_think_i_am_going_to_put_my_real_e _mail_address_here_you_are_crazy.com
wrote in message ...
Who really cares about Vista and it's new features when the current
Microsoft disaster has given so many people headaches and quite a few want
to return to XP? Now we are speculating on Vienna? The body isn't even
cold yet!!!

To Hell with Vienna. Now it's perfect time for Microsoft to stop screwing
around inventing new useless features and graphic interfaces (Aero is
absolutely worthless) and look back a little and invest some time to
backward compatibility. It's absolutely hideous to abuse its almost monopoly
power and create an operating system that is incompatible with most of
current popular programs and almost all dating a few years back. Vista's
compatibility feature is a bad joke.




"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message
...
How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to
Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH

"kpwood" wrote in message
...

Since if I remember correctly, "Vienna" is supposed to be released in
2009
as of right now, I don't think they'll be getting bored anytime soon.
--
Keith Wood
CompTIA A+, Network+

"Marcus" wrote:


"Richard Urban" wrote in message
...

Microsoft didn't release PowerToys. They were done by Microsoft
employees
in their spare time (sort of a gift to the Window user community) and
were
unsupported by Microsoft. Maybe the employees currently do not have
any
spare time.

Lets hope now Vista has been released they'll be getting board soon :-)

To Hell with Vienna. Now it's perfect time for Microsoft to stop screwing
around inventing new useless features and graphic interfaces (Aero is
absolutely worthless) and look back a little and invest some time to
backward compatibility. It's absolutely hideous to abuse its almost
monopoly power and create an operating system that is incompatible with
most of current popular programs and almost all dating a few years back.
Vista's compatibility feature is a bad joke.



Why would I want a new OS to run OLDER programs? I already have that... I
want an OS that is going to run tomorrows software with tomorrows
technologies.

Besides Vista will run the majority of XP programs out there and if you are
still running dos, win95-98 programs what are you even looking at vista for?

Jeff

Today, Poprivet made these interesting comments ...

Lots of people. Don't forget, all you'll see here are people
wiht problems, not those for whom it's working properly and as
expected. You get the "bell curve" lower end of things here.
[snip]

I agree. Newspapers and talk shows regularly have "call in"
questions about problems or controversial issues. Basically, the
only people who call in are those with problems, or those violently
in favor of or violently opposed to the controversial question.
Statistically, the sample of the total population of possible
responders is so skewed as to be absurdly invalid. So, just looking
at these MS NGs as a sample, it is but a small microcism of the
total installed base of Windows, and besides newbies or folks
coming in with their very first problem, many of the OPs and
repliers are "regulars". That doesn't make anyone necessarily good
or bad, I'm simply agreeing with you.

If anyone had any real numbers, we could discuss the median and
mean of people's experience on anything we like, but to really say
anything, like "this is great" or "this really sucks", we would
have to be able to calculate the standard deviation, sigma, and
look to the two tails as you say. Plus, we would need to determine
if the distribution curve is Normal or Gaussian, or skewed in some
way to one or the other end. My belief is that Windows is skewed
and whether the preponderance is that it is a very good or a very
bad O/S depends on where in the release cycle it is as well as
people's definition of "good" and "bad."

--
HP, aka Jerry

D. Spencer Hines wrote:
This is completely hypothetical, but I think Vienna will be more of an
internet based OS.
-------------------------------------------------------

Well, that certainly makes Good Sense.

Internet Usage SHOULD be a Major Consideration in Vienna, but not a
crippling one.

DSH

Absolutely! I second that!


"Nina DiBoy" wrote in message ...

D. Spencer Hines wrote:

Now THAT is helpful!

Particularly this part:
-----------------------------------

Windows Vienna - opening a new generation of operating systems

September 7, 2006

In the past 20 years, the Microsoft Windows operating system has
accumulated
old code libraries that brought it to the size it has today, 2.5 GB and
about 50 million lines of code (Windows Vista).

These old code libraries consume resources and are often the targets of
security exploits.

The best way to avoid such problems, is to start from scratch, which is
close to what Microsoft plans to do with Windows Vienna.

Windows Vienna will represent the start of a different generation of
operating systems, bringing in new concepts and support for new types of
hardware, along with a better security and a modular approach, which will
allow future versions of Windows to be built more easily on Windows
Vienna's engine.

It is also likely that the future success of Microsoft's products will be
strongly decided by the success of the new generation operating system.

http://www.windowsvienna.com/
------------------------------------------------------

Sounds Quite Sensible...

Waiting for Vienna, if one can, sounds increasingly attractive.

Vista may turn out to be as transient and inconsequential as Millennium.

DSH
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...

Microsoft Statement in Response to Speculation on Next Version of
Windows
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/p...extVerson.mspx

Third-party speculative info on Windows Vienna:
http://www.windowsvienna.com/

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"D. Spencer Hines" wrote:

How much of a New Paradigm can we expect from Vienna as compared to
Vista?

Some REALLY NEW Features?

I may just wait for Vienna.

DSH
This is completely hypothetical, but I think Vienna will be more of an
internet based OS.


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HEMI-Powered wrote:
Today, Poprivet made these interesting comments ...

Lots of people. Don't forget, all you'll see here are people
wiht problems, not those for whom it's working properly and as
expected. You get the "bell curve" lower end of things here. [snip]

I agree. Newspapers and talk shows regularly have "call in"
questions about problems or controversial issues. Basically, the
only people who call in are those with problems, or those violently
in favor of or violently opposed to the controversial question.
Statistically, the sample of the total population of possible
responders is so skewed as to be absurdly invalid. So, just looking
at these MS NGs as a sample, it is but a small microcism of the
total installed base of Windows, and besides newbies or folks
coming in with their very first problem, many of the OPs and
repliers are "regulars". That doesn't make anyone necessarily good
or bad, I'm simply agreeing with you.

If anyone had any real numbers, we could discuss the median and
mean of people's experience on anything we like, but to really say
anything, like "this is great" or "this really sucks", we would
have to be able to calculate the standard deviation, sigma, and
look to the two tails as you say. Plus, we would need to determine
if the distribution curve is Normal or Gaussian, or skewed in some
way to one or the other end. My belief is that Windows is skewed
and whether the preponderance is that it is a very good or a very
bad O/S depends on where in the release cycle it is as well as
people's definition of "good" and "bad."

Lol, agreed! I didn't mean to get into a statistics 101 here, but the
refresher certainly tripped a bunch of synapses! Considering the syntax and
acronyms available, can't you just imagine such a discussion between two
such self-appointed gurus on the subject in ANY usenet newsgroup? First
would be the Normal vs. Gaussian controversey, followed closely by someone
slipping off into Field Theory for an analogy, and then ... ahhh, brain
ache! G

Cheers,

Pop`

Today, Poprivet made these interesting comments ...

HEMI-Powered wrote:
Today, Poprivet made these interesting comments ...

Lots of people. Don't forget, all you'll see here are
people wiht problems, not those for whom it's working
properly and as expected. You get the "bell curve" lower
end of things here. [snip]

I agree. Newspapers and talk shows regularly have "call in"
questions about problems or controversial issues. Basically,
the only people who call in are those with problems, or those
violently in favor of or violently opposed to the
controversial question. Statistically, the sample of the
total population of possible responders is so skewed as to be
absurdly invalid. So, just looking at these MS NGs as a
sample, it is but a small microcism of the total installed
base of Windows, and besides newbies or folks coming in with
their very first problem, many of the OPs and repliers are
"regulars". That doesn't make anyone necessarily good or bad,
I'm simply agreeing with you.

If anyone had any real numbers, we could discuss the median
and mean of people's experience on anything we like, but to
really say anything, like "this is great" or "this really
sucks", we would have to be able to calculate the standard
deviation, sigma, and look to the two tails as you say. Plus,
we would need to determine if the distribution curve is
Normal or Gaussian, or skewed in some way to one or the other
end. My belief is that Windows is skewed and whether the
preponderance is that it is a very good or a very bad O/S
depends on where in the release cycle it is as well as
people's definition of "good" and "bad."

Lol, agreed! I didn't mean to get into a statistics 101 here,
but the refresher certainly tripped a bunch of synapses!
Considering the syntax and acronyms available, can't you just
imagine such a discussion between two such self-appointed
gurus on the subject in ANY usenet newsgroup? First would be
the Normal vs. Gaussian controversey, followed closely by
someone slipping off into Field Theory for an analogy, and
then ... ahhh, brain ache! G

Pop, in another life, I did some computer programming of prob and
stat stuff, then in a later life at Chrysler, I managed CAD and
PC support people, so got to know the car guys at all levels from
techs and designers to VPs. After a total of 33 years, in a wide
variety of jobs, I can pretty well predict what goes into a car
and how probability and statistics are used in the development
and testing processes, including those of normal long-term
proving grounds testing and the accelerated endurance runs with
new launch vehicles, where they need to extrapolite very limited
data into a go-no go decision to proceed with the launch or delay
and fix some things.

As to distributions, I'd have to dig out my text books, but what
most people believe these curves to be is the normal or bell-
shaped curve, but almost nothing in nature and certainly nothing
that is manufactured obeys that exactly. I knew the guy who, in
the 1970s/1980s held the exaulted title of Chief Statician for
Engineering, he helped me a great deal and could tell you stories
both sad and humorous until the cows came home.

The reason I went off the deep end here was that my life has been
built around facts, as best I can make it, and I get annoyed
quickly with "they said" kinds of non-factual emotional
responses. So, in the context of this thread, even though I have
no Vista experience at all, I would say that the true nature of
its quality is somewhere in the middle between total POS and the
most brilliant operating system ever conceived. Depends a lot on
who's counting, right? grin

--
HP, aka Jerry

"Jeffrey S. Sparks" wrote in message
...


To Hell with Vienna. Now it's perfect time for Microsoft to stop screwing
around inventing new useless features and graphic interfaces (Aero is
absolutely worthless) and look back a little and invest some time to
backward compatibility. It's absolutely hideous to abuse its almost
monopoly power and create an operating system that is incompatible with
most of current popular programs and almost all dating a few years back.
Vista's compatibility feature is a bad joke.



Why would I want a new OS to run OLDER programs?

So that every time a new OS comes out, I won't have to scrap all my
perfectly good software and start all over you stupid son of a bitch

Jeffrey S. Sparks wrote:
Why would I want a new OS to run OLDER programs?

john wrote:
So that every time a new OS comes out, I won't have to scrap all my
perfectly good software and start all over you stupid son of a bitch

Who is actually the bigger 'stupid SoB'?

Those who don't want to upgrade their older 'perfectly good software' after
upgrading their 'perfectly good OS that it all works on currently'...
or
Those who went ahead and upgraded their 'perfectly good OS that everything
they have works on currently' knowing that their older software/older
hardware (written/produced usually by third parties with a specific OS and
such in mind) probably won't work?

Put more bluntly - why would you upgrade your OS if you had no reason to?

--
Shenan Stanley
MS-MVP
--
How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

"with most of current popular programs and almost all dating a few
years back"
Please post the source for this.
My own experience has nearly 100% compatibility, it is 100% if I
forget the program I installed simply to verify someone else's issue.

While there are compatibility issues, they seem to be the minority and
not "most of current popular programs", as you state.
List all the programs you use including those that are compatible.
Someone may be able to give you the solution that eludes you so far.

100% backwards compatibility is nearly impossible especially if you
consider poorly written programs that no longer work because of their
issues security and otherwise.
Windows XP will be supported for at least a few more years so
compatibility with Vista is not really an issue.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Jack Stone" wrote in message
...
To Hell with Vienna. Now it's perfect time for Microsoft to stop
screwing around inventing new useless features and graphic
interfaces (Aero is absolutely worthless) and look back a little and
invest some time to backward compatibility. It's absolutely hideous
to abuse its almost monopoly power and create an operating system
that is incompatible with most of current popular programs and
almost all dating a few years back. Vista's compatibility feature is
a bad joke.