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Speed up my Windows XP Pro. SP3 with Flash USB drives/drives?
"use the first partition to relocated your pagefile"
Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM? I'm assuming that the user isn't using lots of very big programmes. "JS" @ wrote in message ... No, "Ready Boost" is not part of Windows XP. However if you want to see a significant performance boost you can and a second hard drive. Partition the new (2nd) drive so that the first partition (Logical drive) is no more than 10% to 20% of the total drive size. Now use the first partition to relocated your pagefile and also as a location for temporary files. -- JS http://www.pagestart.com "Ant" wrote in message ... Hello. I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash USB sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too? Thank you in advance. -- "The general, unable to control his irritation, will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his men are slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous effects of a siege." --Chapter 3 in Sun Tzu's The Ancient Art of War (Translated by Lionel Giles) /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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Speed up my Windows XP Pro. SP3 with Flash USB drives/drives?
you're welcome.
"Ant" wrote in message ... Um, nice poem? On 8/16/2009 2:58 PM PT, db typed: there is a third party maker that makes a ready boost version for xp. it's about 50 bucks. ------------- they really act like the hibernation feature and you require usb flash drives that are twice the size of your ram to provide the full benefit. also, flash drives come in two flavors: those that are ready boost ready and those that are not. ------------- one day microsoft will hire the smart guy who develops a rom level hibernation. but it will be a long time til then. -- "Though your enemy is the size of an ant, look upon him as an elephant." --Danish /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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Jon
The pagefile is always used regardless of the amount of RAM. However, the more the RAM the less the use made of the pagefile. You can get more accurate information on pagefile usage using pagefilemon, a small freeware utility. Use page file monitor to observe what is the peak usage. Start it to run immediately after start-up and look at the log. Pagefilemon takes snapshots. You need to run it at the beginning of the session at then run it again at intervals throughout the sessions. The log is Pagefile log.txt. If you right click on the file in Windows Explorer and select Send to, Desktop (Create Shortcut). The same applies to XP_PageFileMon.exe. A small utility to monitor pagefile usage: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm Note that programs using undo features, particularly those associated with graphics and photo editing, require large amounts of memory so if you use this type of programme check these first observing how the page usage increases when they start and whether the usage decreases when you close the programme. You can get clues as to what is generating peak memory demands but this is not a precise science, more a matter of judgement. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jon wrote: "use the first partition to relocated your pagefile" Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM? I'm assuming that the user isn't using lots of very big programmes. "JS" @ wrote in message ... No, "Ready Boost" is not part of Windows XP. However if you want to see a significant performance boost you can and a second hard drive. Partition the new (2nd) drive so that the first partition (Logical drive) is no more than 10% to 20% of the total drive size. Now use the first partition to relocated your pagefile and also as a location for temporary files. "Ant" wrote in message ... Hello. I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash USB sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too? Thank you in advance. -- "The general, unable to control his irritation, will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his men are slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous effects of a siege." --Chapter 3 in Sun Tzu's The Ancient Art of War (Translated by Lionel Giles) /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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"Gerry" wrote in message ... JS "and also as a location for temporary files". That's a variant I have not seen suggested before! -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ snipped Yes, but some applications and Windows are constantly creating temp files, some are left behind and other are automatically deleted. Since these file create a lot of disk activity locating them to the fastest part of a second hard drive can speed things up. On the PC I'm currently using I have the pagefile on my third internal hard drive and temp files go to the 2nd partition on my second drive. I'm in the process of putting together an article on this subject and more on my web site in the near future. I think you will find it interesting and useful. -- JS http://www.pagestart.com |
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"Jon" - wrote in message ... "use the first partition to relocated your pagefile" Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM? I'm assuming that the user isn't using lots of very big programmes. Snipped Windows is not like UNIX and the user has no control over what gets paged/swapped out to this file, so it is always in use. Make matters worse is the fact that the pagefile can end up being heavily fragmented and stays that way unless you install a utility like "PageDefrag" from SysInternals: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx However with the pagefile located on it's own partition it never gets fragmented. -- JS http://www.pagestart.com |
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On 8/17/2009 4:10 AM PT, Gerry typed: "and also as a location for temporary files". That's a variant I have not seen suggested before! Yep, I already moved %temp% to a different drive. -- "When I am at my lowest, that is when I see things the clearest. It's hard to care about ants when you're soaring with eagles." --unknown /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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Windows' Task Manager shows this already as "Commite Charge" (bottom task bar) and "VM Size" column for process list. On 8/17/2009 6:25 AM PT, Gerry typed: The pagefile is always used regardless of the amount of RAM. However, the more the RAM the less the use made of the pagefile. You can get more accurate information on pagefile usage using pagefilemon, a small freeware utility. Use page file monitor to observe what is the peak usage. Start it to run immediately after start-up and look at the log. Pagefilemon takes snapshots. You need to run it at the beginning of the session at then run it again at intervals throughout the sessions. The log is Pagefile log.txt. If you right click on the file in Windows Explorer and select Send to, Desktop (Create Shortcut). The same applies to XP_PageFileMon.exe. A small utility to monitor pagefile usage: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm Note that programs using undo features, particularly those associated with graphics and photo editing, require large amounts of memory so if you use this type of programme check these first observing how the page usage increases when they start and whether the usage decreases when you close the programme. You can get clues as to what is generating peak memory demands but this is not a precise science, more a matter of judgement. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jon wrote: "use the first partition to relocated your pagefile" Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM? I'm assuming that the user isn't using lots of very big programmes. "JS" @ wrote in message ... No, "Ready Boost" is not part of Windows XP. However if you want to see a significant performance boost you can and a second hard drive. Partition the new (2nd) drive so that the first partition (Logical drive) is no more than 10% to 20% of the total drive size. Now use the first partition to relocated your pagefile and also as a location for temporary files. "Ant" wrote in message ... Hello. I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash USB sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too? -- "The greatest enemies of ants are other ants, just as the greatest enemies of men are other men." --Auguste Forel /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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Ant
Your statement is incorrect. Task Manager does not record actual usage. It records movements in allocations not usage. Quote: "Note that these aspects of Windows XP have changed significantly from earlier Windows NT versions, and practices that have been common there may no longer be appropriate. Also, the 'PF Usage' (Page File in Use) measurement in Task Manager | Performance for 'Page File in Use' include those potential uses by pages that have not been taken up. It makes a good indicator of the adequacy of the 'Maximum' size setting, but not for the 'Initial' one, let alone for any need for more RAM." Source: http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ant wrote: Windows' Task Manager shows this already as "Commite Charge" (bottom task bar) and "VM Size" column for process list. On 8/17/2009 6:25 AM PT, Gerry typed: The pagefile is always used regardless of the amount of RAM. However, the more the RAM the less the use made of the pagefile. You can get more accurate information on pagefile usage using pagefilemon, a small freeware utility. Use page file monitor to observe what is the peak usage. Start it to run immediately after start-up and look at the log. Pagefilemon takes snapshots. You need to run it at the beginning of the session at then run it again at intervals throughout the sessions. The log is Pagefile log.txt. If you right click on the file in Windows Explorer and select Send to, Desktop (Create Shortcut). The same applies to XP_PageFileMon.exe. A small utility to monitor pagefile usage: http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm Note that programs using undo features, particularly those associated with graphics and photo editing, require large amounts of memory so if you use this type of programme check these first observing how the page usage increases when they start and whether the usage decreases when you close the programme. You can get clues as to what is generating peak memory demands but this is not a precise science, more a matter of judgement. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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JS
Fragmentation of the pagefile of itself does not matter. The problem is that a pagefile fragmenting cause other files being written to fragment. Placing the pagefile in a separate partition or setting a minimum = maximum pagefile helps reduce fragmentation of the other files. Many users feel that defragmenting a pagefile is a waste of time as it is continually being rewritten. -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JS wrote: "Jon" - wrote in message ... "use the first partition to relocated your pagefile" Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM? I'm assuming that the user isn't using lots of very big programmes. Snipped Windows is not like UNIX and the user has no control over what gets paged/swapped out to this file, so it is always in use. Make matters worse is the fact that the pagefile can end up being heavily fragmented and stays that way unless you install a utility like "PageDefrag" from SysInternals: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx However with the pagefile located on it's own partition it never gets fragmented. |
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On Aug 16, 5:34*pm, Bennett Marco wrote:
Jose wrote: I wonder which would be faster and more reliable - a flash drive or on board RAM? More RAM... but in this case, the OP has enough. I wasn't really wondering... more like hinting! The concept of implementing something similar to ReadyBoost in XP is not new, there are third party apps that attempt to replicate it and results and opinions vary. If somebody comes across empirical, measurable and reprodcueable data using methods to simulate ReadyBoost with XP, that would be most interesting. |
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"Gerry" wrote in message
JS Fragmentation of the pagefile of itself does not matter. The problem is that a pagefile fragmenting cause other files being written to fragment. Placing the pagefile in a separate partition or setting a minimum = maximum pagefile helps reduce fragmentation of the other files. Many users feel that defragmenting a pagefile is a waste of time as it is continually being rewritten. I don't know why you'd say that. Fragmentation of the pf is no different in impact than any other file and often results in extended pauses when it becomes too fragmented. What is fortunate is that XP makes some mediocre attempts to keep it from fragmenting but it's far from perfect, especially as a drive reaches close to capacity settings. I've only seen a couple of badly fragmented pfs, but one in particular had thousands of fragments to it. User must have turned it off & back on with a nearly full drive was all I could figure. Just defragging the drive took around 4 hours IIRC and it was only a 360 Gig drive. Twayne JS wrote: "Jon" - wrote in message ... "use the first partition to relocated your pagefile" Would the paging file get used much when you have 2Gbytes of RAM? I'm assuming that the user isn't using lots of very big programmes. Snipped Windows is not like UNIX and the user has no control over what gets paged/swapped out to this file, so it is always in use. Make matters worse is the fact that the pagefile can end up being heavily fragmented and stays that way unless you install a utility like "PageDefrag" from SysInternals: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx However with the pagefile located on it's own partition it never gets fragmented. |
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Good/morning evening
There are a few things to consider about attempting to speed up your computer boot time. Everything that affects your system can be considered at a couple of levels. First is your computer hard ware. A) Have you looked into updating your computer bios? Why? If your computer manufactor updated the microcode into the bios, will reduce boot up time. And more efficient initialization of hardware will also reduce your boot time. In addition any USB errors in your current bios may be fixed. Also reducing startup/boot time. Is your bios set to quick boot? Plug and play enabled? 1) Each motherboard is different. But have you disable any devices you are not using? Anything that is initialized requires time. Extra Serial ports? Usually not used. IEEE 1394, you do not have any devices like a hard drive connected? 2) How old is your computer? Replaced any of the thermal interface material? Some processors have thermal throttling which reduces the processor speed. Have you turned this off? Cleaned up cable management ? 3) Memory speeds. A great resource for memory specifications is cpuz. Is your memory speed the quickest available for your processor? DDR 3200 is faster then 2700. Search for more information here. Not to open up a can of worms bur ddr2 is better then DDR1. Lower memory latencys also help out here. As mentioned above, a bios update may reconize more memory DIMMs. B) Hard drive If you are using an "green" drive. This will spin slower and slow down your computer system. Most drives are slower then say a Western digital hard drive. And this is outclassed by a S.S.D. another alternative. C) Since you have not mentioned if you are using a desktop or lap top. SSD is better for the laptop. A cache IDE/SATA(depending which you are using for harddrive) with at least 64 Megs of memory will always help out your boot times. Is your hard drive set to use DMA? Some motherboard chipsets do not allow this to work because of designed in cost reductions. D) Processor. Are you using the latest processor with a larger cache appropriate to the programs you wish to run? Photo shop will load up a single core computer. Dual core is better. Any anti-virus programs running? Tri-core is better. Also consider buying a can of air and blowing out the fans and the botherboard E) Video card. Which card are you using? searching for a better card would help out. And this brings up drivers. Manufactors generally improve both performance and reliability of drivers. Soft ware improvement Defragmentation; I have used various types of programs to restore order to files on my hard drives through out the years. IOBit.com defrag, is my current defragger. Here is some things to look at at the soft ware level First the Operating System Is your chipset driver up to date? Intel, Nvidia, and Via usually update there chipset drivers. Are you using windows installer 4.5? Windows scripting host 5.6? Using dot net 1.1 up to version 3.5? Looked at using bootvis to optimize start up. Using direct x and the latest version? Running Software Cleaned out your startup folder? Anything like microsoft office slow down boot up. technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902.aspx Link to look for programs that are being run on startup. If you are comfortable using regedit. Always back this up before editing. http://www.anvir.com/windows-startup-programs-xp.htm Multiple anti-virus programs? Another slow down. Which also brings up insecure software. Secunia.com will tell you if you have multiple installs of programs with different versions. Duplicates can cause problems. Each program is different. Seaching for help will give you the most appropriate fix. Delay startup of programs in the startup folder links http://www.r2.com.au/software.php? http://www.joejoesoft.com/sr.php http://uk.geocities.com/personel44/maintenance.html Search for someting called tweak, and clean memory and connectors of your memory. Reduces contanimates and improves connection speed. Usefull in a lot of ways. Improving the connection from a lap top battery to computer. Diry USB connections. Even a pencil eraser will help out in a pinch. Hopefully this helps you out. 1stknight "Ant" wrote: Hello. I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash USB sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too? Thank you in advance. -- "The general, unable to control his irritation, will launch his men to the assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his men are slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous effects of a siege." --Chapter 3 in Sun Tzu's The Ancient Art of War (Translated by Lionel Giles) /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: NT ( ) or Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer. |
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Ant wrote:
On 8/16/2009 11:42 AM PT, Bennett Marco typed: I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash USB sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too? If you are referring to Vista's Readyboost, no. Yeah, that and thanks. Aww, someone should make one for XP. How much RAM does your system have? 2 GB of RAM. Having some minor speed improvements with those USB Flash drives would be nice. USB drives are SLOW. About 10 times slower than a hard drive.* Then, too, they fail after a relatively small number of read-write cycles. -------- USB2.0 = ~25Mbytes/s (200Mb/s) SATA drive = max 3Gb/sec |
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Ant wrote:
Yeah, I thought I could speed up XP's boot up like Vista's ReadyBoast with one of those USB Flash sticks/drives. It is conceivable that you could add a solid-state drive to your system, and use that for your page file. I have no idea if such a drive would work well in that configuration, but I've seen systems with nothing but a solid-state drive, so it must be OK. The ones I've seen are 80Gb. You could probably put other stuff on there as well as your page file - you are not going to cause seek problems. My system has an 80Gb C: drive, and I'm tempted to change that to a solid-state drive if my employer fails to update my PC next January, as was scheduled. -- Steve Swift http://www.swiftys.org.uk/swifty.html http://www.ringers.org.uk |
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Ant wrote:
Hello. I read that Vista and Windows 7 can be sped up faster by using Flash USB sticks/drives (have 256 MB to 1 GB sizes). Can this be done with an updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 too? Thank you in advance. What are you doing where you think your system needs to go faster? If you keep installing and uninstalling programs, moving data around, it would be good to defrag your system. If your system has been in place for a few years and you install lots of programs, uninstall programs, it would be an improvement to reinstall Windows from scratch. That is a lot of work but it will speed up your system quite a bit. Every year I reinstall from scratch and only install the programs that I need. I then copy my data back and everything is cool to go. I have it down to a science and can re-do a system in a couple of hours. |
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