WLM 2011

On 10/18/2010 9:05 PM, Valorie *~ wrote:

"Lee Waun" wrote in message
...
I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the
older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the newer 2011
version so I downloade Thunderbird and I'll it as it is more like the
older outlook express that I did like years ago.

You can also move WindowsMail to W-7 and remove WindowsLiveMail.

Big mistake! WLM is far superior to WM. Maybe you just didn't bother
learning how to use it.

A quick
Google will show that many people hate WLM.

Not really. You'll see the first complaint posted and re-posted numerous
times.

We did so I loved WM from my
Vista PC to my W-7 PC.

Good for you.

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message
...

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 18/10/2010 11:54, Lee Waun wrote:
I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the
older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the newer 2011 version
so I downloade Thunderbird and I'll it as it is more like the older
outlook express that I did like years ago.

Welcome to the TB club. I, like you, tried WLM with Win7, but found it
too unreliable, as it frequently failed to post. IMO it wasn't as
good as OE6 under XP. And if MS isn't going to fix the "show previous
post" issue (ie it doesn't show anything, even a "" for previous text),
that makes it unusable. Remember also that MS has no
interest in Usenet news now - it prefers its own forums where it
has full control.

TB isn't perfect, but it is better than WLM.

Me three. What I really wanted was OE6, but the closest proximity I
could find is TB 2. It has the added advantage of being available in a
portable version.

I find myself sticking to older versions with a lot of programs.

Actually I ended up taking thunderbird off the machine as I could not get
it to filter out frank and alias. The message filters didn't seem to show
any easy to use kill file filters so I put wlm back on this machine. I
prefer wlm 2009 but can't find any download on microsoft. All I find is this
2011 version which I don't like but I have figured out most of it but I
can't get it to quote when I reply to newsgroup posts. Have to do it
manually.

But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free experience.




--
Crash

What happens online, stays online.

"Jack" wrote in message ...


"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the
plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.


How do you get it to quote without doing it by hand?

I left your response unquoted.

On 19/10/2010 08:16, Lee Waun wrote:
(snip)

Actually I ended up taking thunderbird off the machine as I could not
get it to filter out frank and alias. The message filters didn't seem to
show any easy to use kill file filters so I put wlm back on this
machine. I prefer wlm 2009 but can't find any download on microsoft. All
I find is this 2011 version which I don't like but I have figured out
most of it but I can't get it to quote when I reply to newsgroup posts.
Have to do it manually.

But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free experience.

You can always glance at the "From" column and make your own mind up.
Very, very occasionally, when they remember to take their meds, Frank
and Alias can come up with useful posts.

--

Jeff

On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!

--

Jeff

Lee Waun wrote:
"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message
...

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 18/10/2010 11:54, Lee Waun wrote:
I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really
liked the older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the
newer 2011 version so I downloade Thunderbird and I'll it as it
is more like the older outlook express that I did like years ago.



Welcome to the TB club. I, like you, tried WLM with Win7, but
found it too unreliable, as it frequently failed to post. IMO it
wasn't as good as OE6 under XP. And if MS isn't going to fix the
"show previous post" issue (ie it doesn't show anything, even a ""
for previous text), that makes it unusable. Remember also that MS
has no interest in Usenet news now - it prefers its own forums
where it has full control.

TB isn't perfect, but it is better than WLM.

Me three. What I really wanted was OE6, but the closest proximity I
could find is TB 2. It has the added advantage of being available
in a portable version.

I find myself sticking to older versions with a lot of programs.

Actually I ended up taking thunderbird off the machine as I could
not get it to filter out frank and alias. The message filters didn't
seem to show any easy to use kill file filters so I put wlm back on
this machine. I prefer wlm 2009 but can't find any download on
microsoft. All I find is this 2011 version which I don't like but I
have figured out most of it but I can't get it to quote when I reply
to newsgroup posts. Have to do it manually.

But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free
experience.

Frank and Alias who? The filters are crude and awkward, but they can be
made to work. My killfile, pioneered by Alias and Frank, is up to over
50 entries.
--
Crash

"The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion."
~ Arnold H. Glasow ~

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...

On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!

--

Jeff


Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to
all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML
posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts
only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle
working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so
far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011
(Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS

On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...

On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ]
so you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you
will see that they are all indented with , , and from my last
post. I always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any ?

--

Jeff

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 00:16:38 -0700, "Lee Waun"
wrote:

But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free experience.




--
Crash

Lee, it's confusing when you sign your post with Crash's name.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:42 -0400, "news.aioe.org"
wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...

On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!

--

Jeff


Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to
all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML
posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts
only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle
working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so
far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011
(Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS

Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is
seriously broken. Adding the character to the quoted material when
you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person
before you to whom you're replying.

Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text
with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is
reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader
encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be
trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply.

And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that
only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML
from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet.

On 19/10/2010 1:42 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:42 -0400, "news.aioe.org"
wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...

On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

"Lemon wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!

--

Jeff


Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to
all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML
posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts
only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle
working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so
far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011
(Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS

Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is
seriously broken. Adding the character to the quoted material when
you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person
before you to whom you're replying.

Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text
with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is
reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader
encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be
trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply.

And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that
only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML
from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet.


Agreed with you on the HTML / plain text. Plain text is both sufficient
and appropriate for posting and replying to usenet.

LS

On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...

On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with , , and from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any ?


The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote:

On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...

On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with , , and from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any ?


The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of
obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org.

It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature
delimiter. I tend to ignore them.

I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote
delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered.

Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text
Settings there's a checkbox.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

“Have you tried moving OE6 to your W-7 PC? It would have to go into the (x86) folder."

That will not work. OE will not work on Windows 7. However, Windows Mail from Vista can work if you
copy it into W7... search for instructions if needed.

Art [artfudd] Folden
I'm a PC and Windows 7 sux less!
): !tol a xus llits liaMLW tub..
----------------------------------------------
"Valorie *~" wrote in message ...

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message
...
Jeff Layman wrote:
On 18/10/2010 11:54, Lee Waun wrote:
I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the older 2009 version and I
just could not uninstall the newer 2011 version so I downloade Thunderbird and I'll it as it is
more like the older outlook express that I did like years ago.

Welcome to the TB club. I, like you, tried WLM with Win7, but found it too unreliable, as it
frequently failed to post. IMO it wasn't as
good as OE6 under XP. And if MS isn't going to fix the "show previous post" issue (ie it
doesn't show anything, even a "" for previous text), that makes it unusable. Remember also that
MS has no
interest in Usenet news now - it prefers its own forums where it
has full control.

TB isn't perfect, but it is better than WLM.

Me three. What I really wanted was OE6, but the closest proximity I
could find is TB 2. It has the added advantage of being available in a
portable version.

I find myself sticking to older versions with a lot of programs.

From what I see a lot of the changes in W-7 were not for the better. Now MS
doesn't even give us an email/Usenet client. WLM is installed by HP before
they sell their PCs. Have you tried moving OE6 to your W-7 PC? It would
have to go into the (x86) folder.


--
Crash

What happens online, stays online.

On 19/10/2010 2:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote:

On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ...

On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

"Lemon wrote in message
...
Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with,, and from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any?


The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of
obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org.

It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature
delimiter. I tend to ignore them.

I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote
delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered.

Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text
Settings there's a checkbox.


It's not the signature, though. It was WLM 2011 messing up the reply. It
is broken.

Now as to your question is there an option to change the dahses to
something else? Not that I can tell - you will have to contact
Microsoft, I guess. If you do, while you are at it, please ask them to
fix plain text posting in WLM 2011. Then I can use it again.

Thanks
LS