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"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote: On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote: On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! [Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS] I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will see that they are all indented with , , and from my last post. I always try to post (and read) in plain text. If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any ? The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it). LS My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org. It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature delimiter. I tend to ignore them. I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered. Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text Settings there's a checkbox. Any good newsreader deletes everything below the '-- ' delimiter when you Reply. |
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"Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:42 -0400, "news.aioe.org" wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! -- Jeff Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is seriously broken. Adding the character to the quoted material when you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person before you to whom you're replying. Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply. If you'd check back in the thread, that was Jeff's sig that added it, not "news.aioe.org". His newsreader just didn't delete it. And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet. |
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On 19/10/2010 2:56 PM, relic wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:42 -0400, "news.aioe.org" wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! -- Jeff Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is seriously broken. Adding the character to the quoted material when you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person before you to whom you're replying. Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply. If you'd check back in the thread, that was Jeff's sig that added it, not "news.aioe.org". His newsreader just didn't delete it. And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet. But WLM 2011 turned the whole reply itself into a 'sig' and it showed up grayed in Thunderbird. It comes from the fact that newgroup replying is broken in WLM 2011. The '' is not appropriately added and the replies are then are misread by the newsreaders. LS |
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"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 2:56 PM, relic wrote: "Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:42 -0400, "news.aioe.org" wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! -- Jeff Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is seriously broken. Adding the character to the quoted material when you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person before you to whom you're replying. Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply. If you'd check back in the thread, that was Jeff's sig that added it, not "news.aioe.org". His newsreader just didn't delete it. And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet. But WLM 2011 turned the whole reply itself into a 'sig' and it showed up grayed in Thunderbird. It comes from the fact that newgroup replying is broken in WLM 2011. The '' is not appropriately added and the replies are then are misread by the newsreaders. LS WLM doesn't handle delimiters correctly (Grayed out is good while viewing, not removing everything after it in the Reply is wrong). Neither did OE, but with that you could install OE-Quotefix. |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:52:41 -0700, relic wrote:
"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote: On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote: On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! [Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS] I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will see that they are all indented with , , and from my last post. I always try to post (and read) in plain text. If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any ? The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it). LS My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org. It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature delimiter. I tend to ignore them. I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered. Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text Settings there's a checkbox. Any good newsreader deletes everything below the '-- ' delimiter when you Reply. Yes, I meant to imply that Dialog is a good newsreader...Glad you got that :-) But this was not when I was replying, it was when I was viewing the post from news.aioe.org, and everything below the sig delimiter was greyed out because that's how Dialog treats a sig. As it should... The problem is the people who add their replies below the sig delimiter, as I tried to say in my post. Here's what I said above: "My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org". -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On 10/18/10 11:10 PM, Valorie *~ wrote:
Maybe MS will smarten up and add WM to W-7 in the future. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.... :-) -- Roy Smith Windows 7 Professional Thunderbird 3.1.5 Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:59:18 PM |
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On 10/19/10 1:25 PM, Art [artfudd] Folden wrote:
“Have you tried moving OE6 to your W-7 PC? It would have to go into the (x86) folder." That will not work. OE will not work on Windows 7. However, Windows Mail from Vista can work if you copy it into W7... search for instructions if needed. You can use OE6 in Win7 but you have to be using Win7 Pro or higher and have XP mode installed. But then who would want to use a program that's outdated and full of security flaws? -- Roy Smith Windows 7 Professional Thunderbird 3.1.5 Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:03:03 PM |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:40:23 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote:
On 19/10/2010 2:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote: On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote: On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! [Hi Jeff: AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS] I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will see that they are all indented with,, and from my last post. I always try to post (and read) in plain text. If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any? The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group button. It did not add the '' character though (and therefore is useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it). LS My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org. It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature delimiter. I tend to ignore them. I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered. Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text Settings there's a checkbox. It's not the signature, though. It was WLM 2011 messing up the reply. It is broken. Now as to your question is there an option to change the dahses to something else? Not that I can tell - you will have to contact Microsoft, I guess. If you do, while you are at it, please ask them to fix plain text posting in WLM 2011. Then I can use it again. Thanks LS You pretty much misread my post. I said the signature messed up someone's reply by letting it be grayed out, since that reply was incorrectly placed after the sig, and I talked about changing the quote character, not the sig delimiter. The sig delimiter is a Usenet and e-mail standard... -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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On 19/10/2010 4:29 PM, relic wrote:
"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 2:56 PM, relic wrote: "Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 10:24:42 -0400, "news.aioe.org" wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. chop AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character ''. This, to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922). Thanks, LS Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is seriously broken. Adding the character to the quoted material when you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person before you to whom you're replying. Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply. If you'd check back in the thread, that was Jeff's sig that added it, not "news.aioe.org". His newsreader just didn't delete it. And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet. But WLM 2011 turned the whole reply itself into a 'sig' and it showed up grayed in Thunderbird. It comes from the fact that newgroup replying is broken in WLM 2011. The '' is not appropriately added and the replies are then are misread by the newsreaders. LS WLM doesn't handle delimiters correctly (Grayed out is good while viewing, not removing everything after it in the Reply is wrong). Neither did OE, but with that you could install OE-Quotefix. No. I plan to continue with Thunderbird until WLM 2011 is fixed. When they fix it I plan to switch back. I've used OE for many years etc. etc. and was quite content, but I'm not going to use something that is outright broken i.e. WLM 2011. So I will just wait. Thanks LS |
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On 19/10/2010 8:03 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 14:40:23 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote: On 19/10/2010 2:14 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote: On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote: On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote: "Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote: "Lemon wrote in message ... Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix the plain text reply posting which is broken. What's broken? It works fine here. That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (), so when you get multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who posted what! [Hi Jeff: chop is broken. Now as to your question is there an option to change the dahses to something else? Not that I can tell - you will have to contact Microsoft, I guess. If you do, while you are at it, please ask them to fix plain text posting in WLM 2011. Then I can use it again. Thanks LS You pretty much misread my post. I said the signature messed up someone's reply by letting it be grayed out, since that reply was incorrectly placed after the sig, and I talked about changing the quote character, not the sig delimiter. The sig delimiter is a Usenet and e-mail standard... There used to be in OE - you could choose between '' and the pipe '|', but, AFAIK, later versions e.g. WM and WLM didn't include the option to change the quote character. |
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On 20/10/2010 02:45, Lemon Saucy wrote:
On 19/10/2010 4:29 PM, relic wrote: (snip) WLM doesn't handle delimiters correctly (Grayed out is good while viewing, not removing everything after it in the Reply is wrong). Neither did OE, but with that you could install OE-Quotefix. No. I plan to continue with Thunderbird until WLM 2011 is fixed. When they fix it I plan to switch back. I've used OE for many years etc. etc. and was quite content, but I'm not going to use something that is outright broken i.e. WLM 2011. So I will just wait. Be ready for a long wait. Microsoft won't fix it. I see that MS have just notified a "Recommended" Windows Update for Windows Essentials. Only 160Mb... -- Jeff |
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"Lemon Saucy" wrote in message ... No. I plan to continue with Thunderbird until WLM 2011 is fixed. When they fix it I plan to switch back. I've used OE for many years etc. etc. and was quite content, but I'm not going to use something that is outright broken i.e. WLM 2011. So I will just wait. WLM 14.0 works like you want it to (it's the version I use). It's available he http://software.informer.com/getfree...ows-live-mail/ |
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* Lee Waun wrote, On 18-Oct-10 03:54:
I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the newer 2011 version so I downloaded Thunderbird and I'll it as it is more like the older outlook express that I did like years ago. I've been using Thunderbird almost since the beginning of time (Before TB it was Netscape). Tried outlook and outlook express a couple of time and quickly gave them up. TB does allow multitudes of addresses, such as I have a few from ATT plus a few from Google and all in one user account. The greatest thing about it is the multitudes of extensions to incorporate allowing the user to customize. Of course, there are many many more great features! Miles |
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On 10/20/2010 03:45 AM, Lemon Saucy wrote:
No. I plan to continue with Thunderbird until WLM 2011 is fixed. When they fix it I plan to switch back. I've used OE for many years etc. etc. and was quite content, but I'm not going to use something that is outright broken i.e. WLM 2011. So I will just wait. Thanks LS No need to wait. There was an update to all things Live yesterday. Be careful to only update what you have installed instead of the whole Live Essentials package. -- Alias |
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"Alias" wrote in message ...
On 10/20/2010 03:45 AM, Lemon Saucy wrote: No. I plan to continue with Thunderbird until WLM 2011 is fixed. When they fix it I plan to switch back. I've used OE for many years etc. etc. and was quite content, but I'm not going to use something that is outright broken i.e. WLM 2011. So I will just wait. Thanks LS No need to wait. There was an update to all things Live yesterday. Be careful to only update what you have installed instead of the whole Live Essentials package. -- Alias I am using the latest version right now. Is it working right? Thanks, LS |
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