Running PC at low temps (down 20 F) ?

Per Char Jackson:
I think I would go to that much trouble maybe once, and then I'd be looking
for a better solution. If stringing Cat5 isn't practical, a wireless link
might be a good bet, or perhaps powerline networking. You can always shut
the link down when not in use to get the isolation that you probably want.

Ubiquiti M5 Loco: about $70 per station.

Once I stopped over-thinking things, the install was totally simple and
painless - effectively giving a Cat5 cable between the two stations.

Been using them at a remote site to link IP cams to a server a half mile
away for about 2 years now and wish I had known about them before I bit
the bullet and ran Cat5 to my garden shed.
--
Pete Cresswell

On Tue, 09 Dec 2014 15:36:48 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:

Per Char Jackson:
I think I would go to that much trouble maybe once, and then I'd be looking
for a better solution. If stringing Cat5 isn't practical, a wireless link
might be a good bet, or perhaps powerline networking. You can always shut
the link down when not in use to get the isolation that you probably want.

Ubiquiti M5 Loco: about $70 per station.

Once I stopped over-thinking things, the install was totally simple and
painless - effectively giving a Cat5 cable between the two stations.

Been using them at a remote site to link IP cams to a server a half mile
away for about 2 years now and wish I had known about them before I bit
the bullet and ran Cat5 to my garden shed.

I don't have them myself, but I've set them up for others and they work a
treat. What a fine bit of kit, as a UK buddy is prone to say about stuff
that works exceptionally well.

--

Char Jackson

In message , Paul in Houston TX
writes:
[]
Besides humidity, our next biggest problem is bugs. Bugs like warm
electronics. Unfortunately bugs conduct electricity and short stuff
out. Bugs catch fire, too.

Wasn't that the origin of bugs in software?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

It is dangerous to be sincere, unless you are also stupid. - George Bernard
Shaw

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:53:36 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , Paul in Houston TX
writes:
[]
Besides humidity, our next biggest problem is bugs. Bugs like warm
electronics. Unfortunately bugs conduct electricity and short stuff
out. Bugs catch fire, too.

Wasn't that the origin of bugs in software?

Urban legend. Not true.

The word predates computers by at least half a century. Edison, among
others, used it to describe hardware glitches, and it was natural to
apply it to software as well.

Grace Hopper had a sense of humor, so when a bug shorted out something
in a computer, she saved the bug for fun, since it so literally
exemplified the known slang term.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:35:24 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


Grace Hopper had a sense of humor, so when a bug shorted out something
in a computer, she saved the bug for fun, since it so literally
exemplified the known slang term.


I met Grace Murray Hopper once, around 40 years ago. I also thought
she had a wonderful sense of humor.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:43:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:35:24 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


Grace Hopper had a sense of humor, so when a bug shorted out something
in a computer, she saved the bug for fun, since it so literally
exemplified the known slang term.

I met Grace Murray Hopper once, around 40 years ago. I also thought
she had a wonderful sense of humor.

Lucky guy!

She was mentioned on the radio just the other day. I forget where, but a
couple of the programs I listen to like to mention that "today's
birthdays include ...", and she was one of that day's birthday people,
cited as the inventor of Cobol.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:04:53 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:43:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:35:24 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


Grace Hopper had a sense of humor, so when a bug shorted out something
in a computer, she saved the bug for fun, since it so literally
exemplified the known slang term.

I met Grace Murray Hopper once, around 40 years ago. I also thought
she had a wonderful sense of humor.

Lucky guy!

She was mentioned on the radio just the other day. I forget where, but a
couple of the programs I listen to like to mention that "today's
birthdays include ...", and she was one of that day's birthday people,
cited as the inventor of Cobol.


And it was back in the days when I worked in COBOL.

It was at a meeting of the NYC chapter of ACM. She was the speaker,
and we both arrived early, before anyone else was there, so we chatted
for a few minutes.

On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 07:13:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:04:53 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:43:02 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:35:24 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:


Grace Hopper had a sense of humor, so when a bug shorted out something
in a computer, she saved the bug for fun, since it so literally
exemplified the known slang term.

I met Grace Murray Hopper once, around 40 years ago. I also thought
she had a wonderful sense of humor.

Lucky guy!

She was mentioned on the radio just the other day. I forget where, but a
couple of the programs I listen to like to mention that "today's
birthdays include ...", and she was one of that day's birthday people,
cited as the inventor of Cobol.

And it was back in the days when I worked in COBOL.

It was at a meeting of the NYC chapter of ACM. She was the speaker,
and we both arrived early, before anyone else was there, so we chatted
for a few minutes.

Nice!

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:53:36 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Wasn't that the origin of bugs in software?

Urban legend. Not true.

(I had a feeling that might be the case.)

The word predates computers by at least half a century. Edison, among
others, used it to describe hardware glitches, and it was natural to
apply it to software as well.

It'd be interesting to know how it _did_ come to mean that, then. I'll
ask my brother, if I remember. (And he'll say, with either a sigh or a
grin, that he doesn't know off the top of his head.)

Grace Hopper had a sense of humor, so when a bug shorted out something
in a computer, she saved the bug for fun, since it so literally
exemplified the known slang term.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Well I wish you'd just tell me, rather than trying to engage my enthusiasm,
because I haven't got one. (Marvin; first series, fit the fifth.)

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:00:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:53:36 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Wasn't that the origin of bugs in software?

Urban legend. Not true.

(I had a feeling that might be the case.)

The word predates computers by at least half a century. Edison, among
others, used it to describe hardware glitches, and it was natural to
apply it to software as well.

It'd be interesting to know how it _did_ come to mean that, then. I'll
ask my brother, if I remember. (And he'll say, with either a sigh or a
grin, that he doesn't know off the top of his head.)


(from Etymology online)
Bug:
Meaning "defect in a machine" (1889) may have been coined c.1878 by
Thomas Edison (perhaps with the notion of an insect getting into the
works).

Probably connected with Scottish bogill "goblin, bugbear," or obsolete
Welsh bwg "ghost, goblin" (compare Welsh bwgwl "threat," earlier
"fear," Middle Irish bocanách "supernatural being"). Compare also
bogey (n.1) and German bögge, böggel-mann "goblin."

In message , Spalls
Hurgenson writes:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:00:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:53:36 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Wasn't that the origin of bugs in software?

Urban legend. Not true.
[]
It'd be interesting to know how it _did_ come to mean that, then. I'll
ask my brother, if I remember. (And he'll say, with either a sigh or a
grin, that he doesn't know off the top of his head.)


(from Etymology online)
Bug:
Meaning "defect in a machine" (1889) may have been coined c.1878 by
Thomas Edison (perhaps with the notion of an insect getting into the
works).

Ah, so if that _was_ it, it _was_ the same origin.

Probably connected with Scottish bogill "goblin, bugbear," or obsolete
Welsh bwg "ghost, goblin" (compare Welsh bwgwl "threat," earlier
"fear," Middle Irish bocanách "supernatural being"). Compare also
bogey (n.1) and German bögge, böggel-mann "goblin."

Ah, that's an alternative - evil spirit or entity: rather like
"gremlin", I'd say. (Different in that it implies malice, as opposed to
just mishap in the case of the insect.)

Rich source, this newsgroup: who'd have thought we'd be discussing
etymology - or entomology for that matter!
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than
to those attending too small a degree of it. -Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US
president, architect and author (1743-1826)

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:12:13 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , Spalls
Hurgenson writes:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:00:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:53:36 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Wasn't that the origin of bugs in software?

Urban legend. Not true.
[]
It'd be interesting to know how it _did_ come to mean that, then. I'll
ask my brother, if I remember. (And he'll say, with either a sigh or a
grin, that he doesn't know off the top of his head.)


(from Etymology online)
Bug:
Meaning "defect in a machine" (1889) may have been coined c.1878 by
Thomas Edison (perhaps with the notion of an insect getting into the
works).

Ah, so if that _was_ it, it _was_ the same origin.

Probably connected with Scottish bogill "goblin, bugbear," or obsolete
Welsh bwg "ghost, goblin" (compare Welsh bwgwl "threat," earlier
"fear," Middle Irish bocanách "supernatural being"). Compare also
bogey (n.1) and German bögge, böggel-mann "goblin."

Ah, that's an alternative - evil spirit or entity: rather like
"gremlin", I'd say. (Different in that it implies malice, as opposed to
just mishap in the case of the insect.)

Rich source, this newsgroup: who'd have thought we'd be discussing
etymology - or entomology for that matter!

ISTM that etymology turns up more often then entomology, but both are
fun.

When you asked the question that Spall answered so well, my first
thought was "bugaboo", in the family of goblin-like words that he cited,
but his answer is better than any I would have given.

BTW, years ago I coined the word "cyberentomology", meaning (obviously,
I hope) "debugging".

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:14:40 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:12:13 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , Spalls
Hurgenson writes:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 12:00:21 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:53:36 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
Wasn't that the origin of bugs in software?

Urban legend. Not true.
[]
It'd be interesting to know how it _did_ come to mean that, then. I'll
ask my brother, if I remember. (And he'll say, with either a sigh or a
grin, that he doesn't know off the top of his head.)


(from Etymology online)
Bug:
Meaning "defect in a machine" (1889) may have been coined c.1878 by
Thomas Edison (perhaps with the notion of an insect getting into the
works).

Ah, so if that _was_ it, it _was_ the same origin.

Probably connected with Scottish bogill "goblin, bugbear," or obsolete
Welsh bwg "ghost, goblin" (compare Welsh bwgwl "threat," earlier
"fear," Middle Irish bocanách "supernatural being"). Compare also
bogey (n.1) and German bögge, böggel-mann "goblin."

Ah, that's an alternative - evil spirit or entity: rather like
"gremlin", I'd say. (Different in that it implies malice, as opposed to
just mishap in the case of the insect.)

Rich source, this newsgroup: who'd have thought we'd be discussing
etymology - or entomology for that matter!

ISTM that etymology turns up more often then entomology, but both are
fun.

When you asked the question that Spall answered so well, my first
thought was "bugaboo", in the family of goblin-like words that he cited,
but his answer is better than any I would have given.

BTW, years ago I coined the word "cyberentomology", meaning (obviously,
I hope) "debugging".

My apologies, Spalls, for misspelling your name. My spell checker liked
it as I typed it because it's an English word, and the responsible party
(that's me) missed it...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
[]
BTW, years ago I coined the word "cyberentomology", meaning (obviously,
I hope) "debugging".

Etymologically, I think it would mean the study of the bugs, rather than
their eradication (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

A perfectionist takes infinite pains and often gives them to others

On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 01:18:07 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In message , Gene E. Bloch
writes:
[]
BTW, years ago I coined the word "cyberentomology", meaning (obviously,
I hope) "debugging".

Etymologically, I think it would mean the study of the bugs, rather than
their eradication (-:

Ssssh!

Please don't let that be known.

Let it be our little secret, OK?

:-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)