e-mail graphics mystery

On 31/12/2014 15:24, Linea Recta wrote:
"Wolf K" schreef in bericht
...
On 2014-12-31 9:58 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
Now I noticed something else: the newsletter seems to contain the
graphics, but only under the attachments paperclip. So I can save them,
but not read them integrated in the newsletter...

I usually Save As and read later instead of reading online, which I
find delays dealing with other mails.



I can save messages as .eml or .htm. But in both cases I get the letter
without the graphics integrated.




I had a similar problem a few week ago whereby integrated pictures in
emails received from the likes of Lidl and Aldi just displayed in
Outlook as blank place-holders. Is that what you're getting?

I followed the advice given at the time in this NG and set all the
settings in IE (which I don't use!) to defaults - and the pictures
started appearing again.
--
Cheers,
Roger
____________
Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom
checked.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2014 06:53:16 -0500, Stan Brown
wrote:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:10:57 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Microsoft does a terrible, confusing job with its nomenclature.


Don't even get me started on Office 365, Click-to-Run, .....

Apparently, Microsoft once had a terminal program called Access.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

"Roger Mills" schreef in bericht
...
On 31/12/2014 15:24, Linea Recta wrote:
"Wolf K" schreef in bericht
...
On 2014-12-31 9:58 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
Now I noticed something else: the newsletter seems to contain the
graphics, but only under the attachments paperclip. So I can save them,
but not read them integrated in the newsletter...

I usually Save As and read later instead of reading online, which I
find delays dealing with other mails.



I can save messages as .eml or .htm. But in both cases I get the letter
without the graphics integrated.




I had a similar problem a few week ago whereby integrated pictures in
emails received from the likes of Lidl and Aldi just displayed in Outlook
as blank place-holders. Is that what you're getting?


Yes.



I followed the advice given at the time in this NG and set all the
settings in IE (which I don't use!) to defaults - and the pictures started
appearing again.


OK, and how do I do that? Is there a button 'defaults'?


Thanks,
--


|\ /|
| \/ |@rk
\../
\/os

Linea Recta wrote:
"Wolf K" schreef in bericht
...
On 2014-12-31 9:58 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
Now I noticed something else: the newsletter seems to contain the
graphics, but only under the attachments paperclip. So I can save them,
but not read them integrated in the newsletter...

I usually Save As and read later instead of reading online, which I
find delays dealing with other mails.



I can save messages as .eml or .htm. But in both cases I get the letter
without the graphics integrated.

When you save as .htm, you could try looking for
graphics image URL links in the file. Load the .htm
file with Wordpad and have a look.

As Winston said, Outlook Express was bundled with IE
and uses IE HTML engine files for rendering. And it's
likely to use IE security rules as a result.

Graphics could be stored as multi-part attachments,
but the "modern way" is to steal your pictures and
store them on the mail server, then re-write the mail
to use a URL to point to your stolen picture. If I wanted
to make sure a family member received a picture properly,
I'd probably have to compress it, encrypt it, and send
it as an attachment or something. Just to "keep
web monkeys out of my stuff" :-)

Paul

| As Winston said, Outlook Express was bundled with IE
| and uses IE HTML engine files for rendering. And it's
| likely to use IE security rules as a result.
|

OE does not use IE, at least since v. 6. Maybe
since v. 5. It does use the IE security settings,
either Internet Zone or Restricted Zone, but it's
not clear how many of those settings apply.

WM is different and may or may not use IE. (I
don't have a Vista box here to look at.)

| Graphics could be stored as multi-part attachments,
| but the "modern way" is to steal your pictures and
| store them on the mail server, then re-write the mail
| to use a URL to point to your stolen picture.

Who does that? You're saying the image data is
stripped from the email and put on the server? I've
never seen such a thing done. There are sometimes
images that display via linking rather than embedding.
Those are mainly used for tracking/spying, but
sometimes things like corporate logos are also
displayed that way. But I've never had anyone send
me an image and have it come through as a link.
It always comes through as base-64 encoded text
embedded in the email.

Hi, Paul.

As Winston said, Outlook Express was bundled with IE

You'd better read Winston's post again.

IE has always been an integral part of Windows; that was a major part of the
Department of Justice lawsuit against Microsoft a decade or more. So far as
I can recall, IE has never been available as a stand-alone produce. OE was
also bundled with Windows until OE6 in WinXP.

and uses IE HTML engine files for rendering. And it's likely to use IE
security rules as a result.

OE and much of Windows does use some of IE. As a non-techie, I don't know
the details. But, for example we've always had to use IE's settings to
adjust OE's printer output.

Winston can explain all this better than I can. He did say, "Windows Mail
uses IE's common files/dlls to display html content."

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3528.0331) in Win8.1 Pro with Media
Center


"Paul" wrote in message ...

Linea Recta wrote:
"Wolf K" schreef in bericht
...
On 2014-12-31 9:58 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
Now I noticed something else: the newsletter seems to contain the
graphics, but only under the attachments paperclip. So I can save them,
but not read them integrated in the newsletter...

I usually Save As and read later instead of reading online, which I find
delays dealing with other mails.



I can save messages as .eml or .htm. But in both cases I get the letter
without the graphics integrated.

When you save as .htm, you could try looking for
graphics image URL links in the file. Load the .htm
file with Wordpad and have a look.

As Winston said, Outlook Express was bundled with IE
and uses IE HTML engine files for rendering. And it's
likely to use IE security rules as a result.

Graphics could be stored as multi-part attachments,
but the "modern way" is to steal your pictures and
store them on the mail server, then re-write the mail
to use a URL to point to your stolen picture. If I wanted
to make sure a family member received a picture properly,
I'd probably have to compress it, encrypt it, and send
it as an attachment or something. Just to "keep
web monkeys out of my stuff" :-)

Paul

Mayayana wrote:
| As Winston said, Outlook Express was bundled with IE
| and uses IE HTML engine files for rendering. And it's
| likely to use IE security rules as a result.
|

OE does not use IE, at least since v. 6. Maybe
since v. 5. It does use the IE security settings,
either Internet Zone or Restricted Zone, but it's
not clear how many of those settings apply.

WM is different and may or may not use IE. (I
don't have a Vista box here to look at.)

| Graphics could be stored as multi-part attachments,
| but the "modern way" is to steal your pictures and
| store them on the mail server, then re-write the mail
| to use a URL to point to your stolen picture.

Who does that? You're saying the image data is
stripped from the email and put on the server? I've
never seen such a thing done. There are sometimes
images that display via linking rather than embedding.
Those are mainly used for tracking/spying, but
sometimes things like corporate logos are also
displayed that way. But I've never had anyone send
me an image and have it come through as a link.
It always comes through as base-64 encoded text
embedded in the email.


OE, WM, WLM all versions ever released use IE for html rendering in
email and newsgroup messages. Additionally, IE files are also used by
those same mail applications for printing.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

R. C. White wrote:

IE has always been an integral part of Windows; that was a major part
of the Department of Justice lawsuit against Microsoft a decade or
more. So far as I can recall, IE has never been available as a
stand-alone produce. OE was also bundled with Windows until OE6 in
WinXP.

Not quite correct. OE was never available as a separate product. OE
was not bundled with Windows. OE was always bundled with IE. OE (whose
support ended in 2002) ceased to be bundled with IE as of IE version 7
(released in 2006) and why there is no later version of OE after its
version 6.

As I recall, the IE bundle has always been available as a standalone.
Many users, especially admins or IT folks at a business, wanted a
separate and self-contained installer for IE to perform an offline
install of IE. Most end users acquired newer versions of IE through
Windows Updates. You didn't get the network version in Windows Updates.
You had to go look for it at Microsoft's download site. For example,
the 53.3 MB x64 edition of IE 11 can be downloaded from:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...7-details.aspx

Windows comes with a pre-installed base version of IE (which stopped
bundling OE as of IE7). Obviously you don't have to download that
version but you can use either Windows Updates or separately obtain an
offline installer for later versions of IE.

and uses IE HTML engine files for rendering. And it's likely to use IE
security rules as a result.

OE and much of Windows does use some of IE. As a non-techie, I don't know
the details. But, for example we've always had to use IE's settings to
adjust OE's printer output.

Winston can explain all this better than I can. He did say, "Windows Mail
uses IE's common files/dlls to display html content."

OE used the IE libs to render HTML up until installation of the Windows
XP service pack 2 (c. 2006). Instead of using an IE control, OE was
switched to using a RichEdit control (riched32.dll). That DLL has been
around since Windows 95 (since MS KB218838 says so) so it looks like OE
was modified to switch to use it for HTML rendering. It was included
with Windows as some function library that any program could use. While
OE was switched to using it, other programs could also use it, like
CuteFTP (back then, don't know what it uses now) and Individual
Software's Resume Maker Deluxe, Macromedia's Drumbeat, and IBM's SPSS.

For an explanation of what the riched32.dll (RichEdit) control is for,
see http://dll.paretologic.com/detail.php/riched32.

Like other run-time libraries (e.g., C), some programs might include the
files they need for support in case they are missing in the OS or the
program knows it works with a specific version. Programs replacing
these run-times with older or later versions than already present could
screw up other programs using the same run-times. In 9x-based Windows,
it was called "DLL Hell" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLL_Hell) but
also applied to any program that didn't test the existing run-time libs
and simply stepped on them. Microsoft's KB197580 also discusses how
redistributing the wrong riched32.dll file could cause problems.
Programs could compile by rolling in the ancilliary support files into
the .exe but that makes from one big executable file, so they rely on
the existing or carrying along of the separate files. That reliance can
be corrupted. For example, programs written in Visual Basic would
experience different behaviors on graphical elements depending on
whether v4 of v5 of riched32.dll was present.

Switching to and even upping the version of riched32.dll had some
unwanted side effects. For example, the OE-QuoteFix add-on would no
longer function if the user configured OE to show all messages in plain
text format. Another change of applying WinXP SP-2 was OE would, by
default, block automatic downloads of external content (i.e., linked
images). That meant the colorization features of OE-QuoteFix would not
work. You had to lower security in OE to get OE-QuoteFix's coloring to
work. That is, you had to allow external content, like web
bugs/beacons, to get OE-QuoteFix to colorize each indentation level of
quoted content.

Switching to the RichEdit control causes several problems. OE-QuoteFix
was never updated (it was abandoned) since its last release in 2003, so
it would never support the change from IE to RichEdit in OE. Users
complained of error messages that riched32.dll wouldn't load. Microsoft
had discontinued support of OE. They weren't going to bother with
compatibility in later versions of IE to accomodate the dead OE. So
they severed reliance of OE on an IE's libs.

VanguardLH wrote:
R. C. White wrote:

IE has always been an integral part of Windows; that was a major part
of the Department of Justice lawsuit against Microsoft a decade or
more. So far as I can recall, IE has never been available as a
stand-alone produce. OE was also bundled with Windows until OE6 in
WinXP.

Not quite correct. OE was never available as a separate product. OE
was not bundled with Windows. OE was always bundled with IE. OE (whose
support ended in 2002) ceased to be bundled with IE as of IE version 7
(released in 2006) and why there is no later version of OE after its
version 6.

As I recall, the IE bundle has always been available as a standalone.
Many users, especially admins or IT folks at a business, wanted a
separate and self-contained installer for IE to perform an offline
install of IE. Most end users acquired newer versions of IE through
Windows Updates. You didn't get the network version in Windows Updates.
You had to go look for it at Microsoft's download site. For example,
the 53.3 MB x64 edition of IE 11 can be downloaded from:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...7-details.aspx

Windows comes with a pre-installed base version of IE (which stopped
bundling OE as of IE7). Obviously you don't have to download that
version but you can use either Windows Updates or separately obtain an
offline installer for later versions of IE.

and uses IE HTML engine files for rendering. And it's likely to use IE
security rules as a result.

OE and much of Windows does use some of IE. As a non-techie, I don't know
the details. But, for example we've always had to use IE's settings to
adjust OE's printer output.

Winston can explain all this better than I can. He did say, "Windows Mail
uses IE's common files/dlls to display html content."

OE used the IE libs to render HTML up until installation of the Windows
XP service pack 2 (c. 2006). Instead of using an IE control, OE was
switched to using a RichEdit control (riched32.dll). That DLL has been
around since Windows 95 (since MS KB218838 says so) so it looks like OE
was modified to switch to use it for HTML rendering. It was included
with Windows as some function library that any program could use. While
OE was switched to using it, other programs could also use it, like
CuteFTP (back then, don't know what it uses now) and Individual
Software's Resume Maker Deluxe, Macromedia's Drumbeat, and IBM's SPSS.



Reasonably accurate. Not all versions of IE when installed on certain
o/s updated OE, necessitating removing the then current version of IE
then ensuring that the latest o/s service pack was installed with
subsequent installation of the current existing installed IE version
service pack and finally, then and only then, installing the latest
available IE versions.

Windows Mail and Windows Live Mail continue to use IE code to support
html rendering in email and news messages as well as for printing.
While Windows Mail was never updated to accomodate later versions of IE,
WLM was and in fact even a few IE cumulative updates performed
under-the-hood updates to WLM files to ensure compatibility for
rendering html messages and printing and also to ensure rendering of
Html wasn't broken in WLM for subsequent IE cumulative and version
updates. Some of those under-the-hood updates were also applicable to
html rendering in Windows Live Writer blogging client.

One of the more notable issues (which some WLM users may recall) was the
phantom insertion of a '?' in html messages caused by an IE cum update,
a few other issues were also only central to location (language)
specific versions of WLM....in both cases under-the-hood updates were
included in IE cumulative, security, and even a Windows non-security
based reliability update.

With the advent of Windows 8, and WLM now legacy ware specific versions
of IE (latest available for a given o/s) are necessary to ensure html
rendering and printing is handled properly.

As far as Windows Mail, since it is limited to IE10 and WM's development
ceased about the same time as OE was dropped....running WM on Vista (or
even the unsupported transporting to Win7) and issues with WM related to
IE will never be resolved....but even though WLM is now legacy ware it
continues to hold some precedence for patching (via WLM QFE[extremely
rare since the last WLM QFE] or under-the-hood IE11 cum updates or even
Windows 7/8x non-security updates) since WLM continues to support html
as a viewing/composition option for MSFT accounts using the DeltaSync
protocol an integration with other Windows Essential (PhotoGallery/Movie
Maker -nonLive branded products which also use IE files).

As far as the op...if resetting IE10 to its defaults or repairing
Windows Mail (a method is/was available by searching on the net) doesn't
resolve the problem then it may be a SOL end-result.



--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

| OE, WM, WLM all versions ever released use IE for html rendering in
| email and newsgroup messages.

WM may. I don't have a copy to see. Later versions
of OE don't, as VanguardLH explained more fully than
I did. You can confirm that with a program like Spy++
or similar. There's no browser window in my OE window
hierarchy. There is a richedit window. (If IE is doing the
rendering there will be a window of class
"Internet Explorer_Server".)

It's a confusing issue. First there's the issue of whether
IE is actually rendering the email. If it is, then there was
the question of whether different versions of IE would
render differently. That *probably* doesn't apply because
according to IE rules most or all email would be rendered
in quirks mode, to match IE6 rendering. (Since the OP
never posted the email content we can't be sure about
that issue.)

That leaves security settings. Again, it's not clear how
much of the security settings from IE apply to WM. In my
OE6 it has its own setting for whether to show remote
images. (I have it set to not display HTML at all. I only
see the text version of HTML emails.) As far as I can tell
the option to use IE restricted zone rather than internet
zone seems to apply to script, activex, etc.

So.... IE version and settings *probably* have no affect
on email rendering but it would need to be tested to be sure
about whether perhaps 1) WM shares image settings with
IE or 2) the particular email in question has been coded
to render in standards mode and is therefore subject to
Microsoft's design whims, which render each version of
IE incompatible with whatever came before and could,
possibly, affect image rendering in some cases.
If I had to guess, I'd guess the problem was likely to be
funky/wrong internal MIME format that renders differently
in different software.

"Mayayana" schreef in bericht
...

| OE, WM, WLM all versions ever released use IE for html rendering in
| email and newsgroup messages.

WM may. I don't have a copy to see. Later versions
of OE don't, as VanguardLH explained more fully than
I did. You can confirm that with a program like Spy++
or similar. There's no browser window in my OE window
hierarchy. There is a richedit window. (If IE is doing the
rendering there will be a window of class
"Internet Explorer_Server".)

It's a confusing issue. First there's the issue of whether
IE is actually rendering the email. If it is, then there was
the question of whether different versions of IE would
render differently. That *probably* doesn't apply because
according to IE rules most or all email would be rendered
in quirks mode, to match IE6 rendering. (Since the OP
never posted the email content we can't be sure about
that issue.)

That leaves security settings. Again, it's not clear how
much of the security settings from IE apply to WM. In my
OE6 it has its own setting for whether to show remote
images. (I have it set to not display HTML at all. I only
see the text version of HTML emails.) As far as I can tell
the option to use IE restricted zone rather than internet
zone seems to apply to script, activex, etc.

So.... IE version and settings *probably* have no affect
on email rendering but it would need to be tested to be sure
about whether perhaps 1) WM shares image settings with
IE or 2) the particular email in question has been coded
to render in standards mode and is therefore subject to
Microsoft's design whims, which render each version of
IE incompatible with whatever came before and could,
possibly, affect image rendering in some cases.
If I had to guess, I'd guess the problem was likely to be
funky/wrong internal MIME format that renders differently
in different software.





OK, I have MSIE 9 on Vista.
I have attached the newsletter saved as .eml and .htm format.
Note that other messages do display graphics.
As you said: It's a confusing issue...

Because the attachments are refused by the news server, I'll try pasting the
contents:

saved as .htm:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html;charset=utf-8"
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd"
html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"head
meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"

!-- Facebook sharing information tags --
meta property="og:title" content="Nieuwsbrief XS4ALL"
meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge,chrome=1"
style type="text/css"
/*
Niet goed leesbaar?
Bekijk hier de HTML versie: http://www.xs4all.nl/nieuwsbrief/
*/
/style

titleNieuwsbrief XS4ALL/title

style type="text/css"
/* Client-specific Styles */
v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML); display:block;}
#outlook a{padding:0;} /* Force Outlook to provide a "view in
browser" button. */
body{width:100% !important;} /* Force Hotmail to display emails
at full width */
/*body{-webkit-text-size-adjust:none;} Prevent Webkit platforms
from changing default text sizes. */

/* Reset Styles */
html,body{margin:0; padding:0;}

body {
text-align: center;
background: #cfdce4;
}
/style
/head
body leftmargin="0" topmargin="0" offset="0" style="position:
relative;line-height: 0;" marginheight="0" marginwidth="0"
bgcolor="#e9e9e9"

!--[if lt IE 8]
style type="text/css"
table {
zoom: 1;
position: relative;
}

.thunderbird { display: table; float: left; clear: both; width: 100%; }
/style
![endif]--


style type="text/css"
img{border:0; height:auto; line-height:100%; outline:none;
text-decoration:none; display: inline-block;}
table td{border-collapse:collapse;}
a img { border: 0; }
#backgroundTable{height:100% !important; margin:0; padding:0;
width:100% !important;}

/* Template Styles */


table a {
color: #9f0059 !important;
text-decoration: none !important;
}

table a:hover {
text-decoration: underline !important;
}

.centerFrame {
width: 627px;
margin: 0 auto;
text-align: left;
background-image:
url('cid:72657d204c517b477133da0bb7738696@RESOURCE ');
background-repeat: no-repeat;
}

.topNotice {
line-height: 13px;
font-family: arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 10px;
color: #4f4b4c;
}

.emailDate {
color: #2c5970 !important;
line-height: 13px;
font-family: arial, sans-serif;
text-align: center;
font-size: 12px;
}

.contentBlock {
background: #fff;
text-align: left;
}

.socialBlock {
background: #e9e9e9;
text-align: left;
}

.sideBlock {
background: #ecf0f3;
text-align: left;
}

.shadowCorner {
overflow: hidden;
width: 9px !important;
height: 9px !important;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
font-size: 3px !important;
line-height: 3px !important;
}

.shadow, {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
font-size: 0;
line-height: 0;
}

.shadow img {
display: block;
}

a.itemTitle,
a.itemTitle:link,
a.itemTitle:hover {
color: #030083 !important;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif !important;
font-size: 16px !important;
line-height: 1.4 !important;
}

.itemBody, .itemLink, .sideTitle, .socialLink {
color: #303030;
margin: 0 0 5px;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif;
font-size: 12px;
line-height: 1.5;
}

.sideTitle {
margin: 0 0 8px;
font-size: 13px;
font-weight: bold;
}

.itemLink,
.itemLink:link,
.socialLink,
.socialLink:link {
color: #9f0059 !important;
text-decoration: none !important;
}

.itemLink:hover {
text-decoration: underline !important;
}

.itemPhoto {
position: relative;
left: -2px;
}

.indexLink {
color: #303030 !important;
font-family: Arial, sans-serif !important;
font-size: 12px !important;
line-height: 1.6 !important;
}

.indexLink:hover {
text-decoration: underline !important;
}

.philling {
margin: 0;
font-size: 10px;
height: 0;
}

.smaller {
font-size: 11px !important;
line-height: 1.3;
margin-bottom: 4px;
}

a.disclaimerLink {
font-size: 10px;
font-family: arial, sans-serif;
color: #aaaaaa;
text-decoration: none;
}

a.disclaimerLink:hover {
color: #8a8a8a;
text-decoration: underline;
}

/style


div class="centerFrame" width="627" height="899"
style="background-image:
url('cid:72657d204c517b477133da0bb7738696@RESOURCE ''); background-repeat:
no-repeat; background-position: center 0; position:
relative;border-right:20px solid #e9e9e9;" align="center"

!--[if gte vml 1]
v:shape mso-position-horizontal="center" stroked="f"
style="position:absolute; z-index:-1; visibility:visible;
width:627px;height:899px; top:5px; left: 0;
border:0;mso-position-horizontal: center;"
v:imagedata src="cid:72657d204c517b477133da0bb7738696@RESOURCE " /
/v:shape
![endif]--

table style="background-repeat: no-repeat;" height="100%"
width="627" align="center"
background="cid:72657d204c517b477133da0bb7738696@R ESOURCE" border="0"
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
tbodytr
td valign="top" align="center"
table height="100%" width="100%" align="center"
border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
tbodytr
td width="27" /td
td style="line-height: 16px;" valign="top"

!-- BEGIN: Container --

table height="40" width="100%" align="center"
border="0" cellpadding="8" cellspacing="0"
tbodytr
td valign="center" width="50%" align="left"

!-- BEGIN: Summary --
span class="topNotice summary"Deze maand: nieuw
belabonnement Bellen Onbeperkt Buitenland en extra aandacht voor
wachtwoorden./span
!-- END: Summary --
/td

td valign="center" width="50%" align="left"
span class="topNotice"

!-- BEGIN: Read online --
Wordt de e-mail niet goed weergegeven?br
a class="" href="https://www.xs4all.nl/nieuwsbrief/163.html"
target="_blank"Bekijk de mail in uw browser/a
!-- END: Read online --

/span
/td
/tr
/tbody/table

div class="thunderbird"
table width="100%" align="left" border="0"
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
tbodytr
td colspan="2" style="font-size: 0;line-height: 0;
overflow: hidden;" height="19" /td
/tr
tr
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andere landen/strong. Bellen Onbeperkt Buitenland kost € 22,50 per
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telefoons ontvangt u gratis de strongintelligente contactdoos/strong
FRITZDECT 200./span

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3FM Glazen Huis in Haarlem ook een strongGlazen Huis voor
Kinderen/strong. Kinderen en ouders kunnen deelnemen aan workshops in ruil
voor een donatie aan Serious Request. Van zeefdrukken tot 3D printen. Ook
zitten er echte jongens-en-meisjes DJ's!/span

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ren.br
En het interessante is: strongzonder internet/strong was dit niet
gebeurd./span

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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
Linea Recta wrote:

I'm using Windows Mail on both computers. On my PC (Windows 7) the client
works fine and I see all messages fine, including those with graphics.
Now I would like to achieve the same on my notebook (Vista), and that's the
issue.
Although I use the same settings in Windows Mail on both computers, I
sometimes receive messages without the graphics on the notebook. However,
there are (other) messages which do display with graphics on notebook.
That's what makes it poroblematic to analyse the cause.
I want to read the newsletter with graphics on my notebook too.
Any hints on this are welcome.
[]
My first guess was that the ones displaying correctly were using images
included in the email and the others using links, with the laptop either
not permanently online (unlikely as it's receiving emails and LR hasn't
said it isn't online), or set slightly differently not to _display_
online images.

But this seems not to be the case - see subsequent post. (I'm posting
more than one to pick up the bits that have been snipped in later posts
- in this case, specifically the fact that some posts _do_ display OK on
the laptop.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Can you open your mind without it falling out?

In message , Linea Recta
writes:
[]
img src="cid:8945717fc3d3f0e8cdd792bcf058b222@RESOURCE " alt=""
[]
(And many more similar.)

So at least that's one possible source of the problem eliminated: IME,
the "cid:" form always refers to an image later in the email, not an
online one.

It _might_ be useful to see one of the emails that _does_ render OK on
both machines.

(As an aside, what possible purpose does 'alt=""' serve? I have an
interest in accessibility matters, and my blind friends find places that
supply a text alternative for images [that's what "alt" is about] quite
useful; however, if it's going to be a null string, I see no point in
including it at all. The only possible reason I can think of for it
being there is a brain-dead automatic code generator that thinks all
images _have_ to have an alt= tag [and probably many other similar
wastes of bandwidth].)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Can you open your mind without it falling out?

IE didn't always come with Windows: I can't remember whether it was
Windows 95 or 98 (or 98SE) that first included it. Windows 3.1 certainly
didn't - and in those dim past days, IE _was_ available as a standalone
download, just as Mozilla - later Netscape - was (initially not free,
though I think IE always was; it certainly was free before Netscape was,
which in large part did for the latter, except among enthusiasts and
Microsoft-haters (who were still using Windows).

[The 'net connection socket wasn't included either; the commonest one
was Trumpet Winsock, IIRR from somewhere Australian (at a guess, from
Trumpet?). You needed that for anything - ping, email, FTP - to work,
not just browsers.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Can you open your mind without it falling out?

Linea Recta wrote:
"Mayayana" schreef in bericht
...

| OE, WM, WLM all versions ever released use IE for html rendering in
| email and newsgroup messages.

WM may. I don't have a copy to see. Later versions
of OE don't, as VanguardLH explained more fully than
I did. You can confirm that with a program like Spy++
or similar. There's no browser window in my OE window
hierarchy. There is a richedit window. (If IE is doing the
rendering there will be a window of class
"Internet Explorer_Server".)

It's a confusing issue. First there's the issue of whether
IE is actually rendering the email. If it is, then there was
the question of whether different versions of IE would
render differently. That *probably* doesn't apply because
according to IE rules most or all email would be rendered
in quirks mode, to match IE6 rendering. (Since the OP
never posted the email content we can't be sure about
that issue.)

That leaves security settings. Again, it's not clear how
much of the security settings from IE apply to WM. In my
OE6 it has its own setting for whether to show remote
images. (I have it set to not display HTML at all. I only
see the text version of HTML emails.) As far as I can tell
the option to use IE restricted zone rather than internet
zone seems to apply to script, activex, etc.

So.... IE version and settings *probably* have no affect
on email rendering but it would need to be tested to be sure
about whether perhaps 1) WM shares image settings with
IE or 2) the particular email in question has been coded
to render in standards mode and is therefore subject to
Microsoft's design whims, which render each version of
IE incompatible with whatever came before and could,
possibly, affect image rendering in some cases.
If I had to guess, I'd guess the problem was likely to be
funky/wrong internal MIME format that renders differently
in different software.





OK, I have MSIE 9 on Vista.
I have attached the newsletter saved as .eml and .htm format.
Note that other messages do display graphics.
As you said: It's a confusing issue...

Because the attachments are refused by the news server, I'll try pasting
the contents:

saved as .htm:

snipped

OK, I loaded that into Seamonkey "Composer" window. The
images are using cid: formulation.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2hfur9y.jpg

Which is mentioned here.

http://www.systemnetmail.com/faq/4.4.aspx

"For the "src" value, you need to point it at the Content-Id
of the LinkedResource image. This is done by using the syntax
img src="cid:whatever" The "src=cid:" part is required for
the email client to recognize the img tag as an embedded image,
while the "whatever" part is the actual Content-Id of the
LinkedResource image. This will instruct the mail client to
find an embedded image named "whatever" and display the contents
*without* making a http:// request.
"

Open the email site again, only this time use Firefox. When
the page appears, do a "Save Page As" "Web Page, Complete".
This will save the .htm file, as before, but will also
generate a folder of the same name, containing all the
resources the .htm file uses. Inside there, may be
the raw cid: resources. They could be stored as files,
perhaps with filenames similar to the cid: value or something.

The original email might have been MIME, and then
converted to those cid: things ?

By saving the .htm, you're not really gaining access
to your email in its "raw" form. The original mail
would have been multi-part MIME, with elements of
the message that were to be delivered inline, given
their own section in the message. It's also possible
the email was crafted as HTML by the author, but then
it would end up delivered as MIME, with separate sections
for an HTML version and a Text version, for clients that
don't have HTML capabilities.

It's just a suspicion on my part, that a lot of processing
has happened here.

Paul