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At Least FIVE Anti-Spyware Programs
Gerry Cornell wrote:
Ken I have refrained from commenting previously because I also think relying on spyware detection programmes to protect your machine is the wrong way to protect your machine. I refrained because the main protagonist against your point of view is obviously right but not for the reason he gives. I also do not wish to lend my support to someone who expresses his views in the way he does. Relying on spyware detection programmes is synominous with shutting the gate after the horse has bolted. There are two types of anti-spyware programs. One type, as you say, finds the spyware *after* it's already been installed. The other type prevents installation (and some programs do both). I'm in complete agreement that the second type is much better than the first. However, I also see value in ruinning the first type. Yes it's better to shut the gate before the horse bolts, but just in case the lock on the gate fails, it's also good to have a means of getting the horse back. I rely on keeping spyware out and not finding out about it after it has arrived. I run a Hosts file, Microsoft Anti-Spyware and have a Hardware and the Windows Firewall. My ISP operates Spamguard. I have Outlook Express messages rules to sort any spam that manages to bypass Spamguard. I do almost all the same things you do, Gerry.I don't think we have any real disgreement at all, except that I run a few more products than you do, just in case. I use the internet extensively relying on a medium security Internet Explorer security setting. I invariably decline all unwanted offers of whatever. I use three search engines Google, MSN and Vivisimo extensively. I have not gone for extra Toolbars. With what result? Negligible malware and, if I run Adaware it finds only a few unimportant cookies but nothing of any consequence. Same here. I have Spybot and HijackThis on the machine but only use the first rarely and the latter if something unexplained arises. I keep a watchful eye on Event Viewer reports. I undertake regular housekeeping. If there was an unexplained fall off in performance I think I would notice. Same here. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Jonny wrote: I would ask would two or more self updating pay for antispyware programs be adequate. Many AVs have spyware sniffers built-in, does this count? Some have ZA Pro with its own antispyware, would this count as one? If not, why? I think you're asking the wrong questions. Whether they are free or for pay, and whether or not they are self-updating, the issue isn't literally how *many* you have, or what "counts." The problem is that there is so much new spyware constantly coming out thatn one of the makers of these programs have been able to do a consistly good-enough job of keeping up with them. Eric Howes, on http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm, states "No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one quarter of the 'critical' files and Registry entries." and "It is better to use two or more anti-spyware scanners in combination, as one will often detect and remove things that others do not." So you need to decide how careful you want to be, and to what lengths you are willing to go to protect yourself. One decent product will provide some protection, two will provide more protection, three will provide more protection than two, and so on. It's clearly more trouble to use multiple programs, and only you can decide whether the extra protection is worth it to you., and where you should stop. My personal view is better safe than sorry, so I use all of the following: Spybot Search and Destroy Adaware Spyware Blaster Spyware Guard Microsoft Anti-Spyware beta. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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At Least FIVE Anti-Spyware Programs
"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in
: Fuzzy Logic wrote: "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in : If you don't practice safe surfing and/or can't be bothered to properly configure your browser by all means have some insurance. Insurance is *always* good, regardless of what you do. Especially in this case when most of the products are free, hardly affect performance at all, and are very easy to use. My only problem is that some of these Spyware programs have poorly tested detection rules that mess with your registry and may cripple or make your machine unusable. True. Some are even worse than that, and are dangerous by design. See http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm You can get poor quality, and even dangerous-to-use products in almost any software category. I recommend using only the good ones and not the poor ones. g Eric Howes site, which I reference above, is a good source of information on which are good and which aren't. So insurance isn't *always* good unless it's the *right* insurance. Unfortunately it's not always easy to know that beforehand. Here is a brief summary of Eric's conclusion on Spyware detection and removal: It is better to use two or more anti-spyware scanners in combination, as one will often detect and remove things that others do not. Prevention is always preferable to scanning and removal, and users should securely configure their PCs and install anti-malware protection to prevent the installation of spyware and adware in the first place. Moreover, users should learn to practice safe computing habits, which include avoiding web sites and programs of unknown or dubious provenance and carefully reading End User License Agreements and Privacy Policies. Source http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm PS I forgot to mention the Spybot Search & Destroy consistently crashes my Win98SE box if run as a scheduled task with an autoupdate check. It works fine if run manually (aside from consumming vast amounts of system resources). |
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Bingo!
So installing FIVE or SIX of them may only compound your problems. DSH "Fuzzy Logic" wrote in message ... My only problem is that some of these Spyware programs have poorly tested detection rules that mess with your registry and may cripple or make your machine unusable. |
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Which are these Dangerous Websites To Avoid you folks are concerned about?
DSH |
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It varies, the recent Wmf exposure required no action, other than visiting
an infected Server. Even with the best of tools, everyone using the Web is subject to a "Zero-Day" threat. Maybe folks with something like Panda's "True Prevent" might avoid infection, but that technology isn't perfected. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Which are these Dangerous Websites To Avoid you folks are concerned about? DSH |
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Thanks...
But are there some specific sites that are known to be polluted -- or a class of sites? DSH "R. McCarty" wrote in message ... It varies, the recent Wmf exposure required no action, other than visiting an infected Server. Even with the best of tools, everyone using the Web is subject to a "Zero-Day" threat. Maybe folks with something like Panda's "True Prevent" might avoid infection, but that technology isn't perfected. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Which are these Dangerous Websites To Avoid you folks are concerned about? DSH |
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Here's a site that tracks/documents "Bad Web Pages":
http://www.websensesecuritylabs.com/ "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Thanks... But are there some specific sites that are known to be polluted -- or a class of sites? DSH "R. McCarty" wrote in message ... It varies, the recent Wmf exposure required no action, other than visiting an infected Server. Even with the best of tools, everyone using the Web is subject to a "Zero-Day" threat. Maybe folks with something like Panda's "True Prevent" might avoid infection, but that technology isn't perfected. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Which are these Dangerous Websites To Avoid you folks are concerned about? DSH |
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"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in news:#GsQJIHHGHA.3000
@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl: Which are these Dangerous Websites To Avoid you folks are concerned about? Much like real life it's probably best to stay away from the 'seedy' part of the net. This would be warez, porn & gambling sites (as well as any link you get in spam mail). I would also discourage clicking on links that use tinyurl and it's kin as they are a great way to hide potentially harmful sites. |
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Fuzzy Logic wrote:
I would also discourage clicking on links that use tinyurl and it's kin as they are a great way to hide potentially harmful sites. I think that's good advice, if you don't know the person who sent you the link. I often provide tinyurl links myself, but whenever I do, I try to remember to post the real URL as well. That gives the reader the choice of whether or not to trust me. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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This is not a dietary newsgroup. Please don't post off topic.
"D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Try teaching Grandmother to suck eggs next time. DSH "Alan" wrote in message ... It doesn't really matter what others do, what matters is that *you* protect *your* machine to a level that *you* feel is adequate. If you feel one program is sufficient that is fine. And if someone else thinks they need five that is fine too. Even with ten pieces of software it won't affect your machine. Make *your* own choice. What I have on my machine (and what others have on their machines) doesn't affect your machine. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Do you honestly expect folks to install at least FIVE different Anti-Spyware programs, keep them updated, monitor them and constantly tweak each one as required? DSH "Shenan Stanley" wrote in message ... [...] There is no one software that cleans and immunizes you against everything. Antivirus software - you only needed one. Firewall, you only needed one. AntiSpyware - you will need several. I have a list and I recommend you use at least the first five. First - make sure you have NOT installed "Rogue AntiSpyware". There are people out there who created AntiSpyware products that actually install spyware of their own! You need to avoid these: Rogue/Suspect Anti-Spyware Products & Web Sites http://www.spywarewarrior.com/rogue_anti-spyware.htm Also, you can always visit this site.. http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm For more updated information. Install the first five of these: (Install, Run, Update, Scan with..) (If you already have one or more - uninstall them and download the LATEST version from the page given!) Lavasoft AdAware (Free and up) http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/ (How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdn ) Spybot Search and Destroy (Free!) http://www.safer-networking.net/en/download/index.html (How-to: http://snipurl.com/atdk ) Bazooka Adware and Spyware Scanner (Free!) http://www.kephyr.com/spywarescanner/ (How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate3 ) SpywareBlaster (Free!) http://www.javacoolsoftware.com/sbdownload.html (How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate6 ) IE-SPYAD2 (Free!) https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/resource.htm (How-to: http://snipurl.com/ate7 ) CWShredder Stand-Alone (Free!) http://www.intermute.com/spysubtract..._download.html Hijack This! (Free!) http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html (Log Analyzer: http://hjt.iamnotageek.com/ ) ToolbarCop (Free!) http://windowsxp.mvps.org/toolbarcop.htm Ccleaner (Free!) http://www.ccleaner.com/ Microsoft AntiSpyware BETA (in testing stages - Free!) http://www.microsoft.com/athome/secu...ware/software/ (How-to: http://snipurl.com/fqur ) Browser Security Tests (Free Tester) http://www.jasons-toolbox.com/BrowserSecurity/ Popup Tester (Free Tester) http://www.popuptest.com/ The Cleaner (~$49.95 and up) http://www.moosoft.com/ |
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Worthless twaddle snipped.
DSH "Alan" wrote in message ... baldersnip |
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Thanks.
Good Advice from both of you. DSH "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message ... Fuzzy Logic wrote: I would also discourage clicking on links that use tinyurl and it's kin as they are a great way to hide potentially harmful sites. I think that's good advice, if you don't know the person who sent you the link. I often provide tinyurl links myself, but whenever I do, I try to remember to post the real URL as well. That gives the reader the choice of whether or not to trust me. -- Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User Please reply to the newsgroup |
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Great!
Thank you. DSH "R. McCarty" wrote in message ... Here's a site that tracks/documents "Bad Web Pages": http://www.websensesecuritylabs.com/ "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Thanks... But are there some specific sites that are known to be polluted -- or a class of sites? DSH "R. McCarty" wrote in message ... It varies, the recent Wmf exposure required no action, other than visiting an infected Server. Even with the best of tools, everyone using the Web is subject to a "Zero-Day" threat. Maybe folks with something like Panda's "True Prevent" might avoid infection, but that technology isn't perfected. "D. Spencer Hines" wrote in message ... Which are these Dangerous Websites To Avoid you folks are concerned about? DSH |
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Ron Martell wrote: Watchman wrote: I just run Adaware and Spybot to deal with spyware. Not that they find anything. Then again, I don't visit warez sites either. Strangely, Spybot always identifies two things for fixing. Both are from me telling XP that I don't need to be told about my firewall being disabled or program updates. Is there a way to make Spybot ignore them? Watchman Which updates have you disabled? Some application programs or Windows Updates? If you have disabled Windows Updates then you are vulnerable to attacks as exploits to take advantage of newly discovered security flaws in Windows are being released onto the Internet within hours of the security flaws being announced. Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada Oops! Not the upates notification but the AV notifications. AVG goes grey when it needs updating so I don't need XP to tell me to update. Watchman -- 'Anyone who isn't confused doesn't really know what's going on' |
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Shenan Stanley wrote: Watchman wrote: I just run Adaware and Spybot to deal with spyware. Not that they find anything. Then again, I don't visit warez sites either. Strangely, Spybot always identifies two things for fixing. Both are from me telling XP that I don't need to be told about my firewall being disabled or program updates. Is there a way to make Spybot ignore them? Watchman http://www.safer-networking.org/uk/faq/46.html -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Thanks, that explains it! Watchman -- 'Anyone who isn't confused doesn't really know what's going on' |
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