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Activation-How do I stop the insanity?
ANONYMOUS wrote:
Alias wrote: Oh, and if he had a cracked OS, not a genuine one, he would never have had to activate. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Done it. Cracked OS would probably not work on his system considering he has PnP requiring re-activation! This says it all! This makes no sense, and all is says is that you are a fool. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Ghostrider wrote:
Mark Smith wrote: "kurttrail" wrote in message ... Mark Smith wrote: Many people use the "Corp Edition" to bypass PA problems, even though they own a legit copy. Wait a minute. You telling me if I have XP Pro I don't have to fool with this activation? Using a "volume license" may avert some of the issues related to activation but it also opens the door to other ones. Use of volume licenses should be limited to sites where they belong, such as the business with an IT staff to roll out the updates and patches. For the average home user to attempt updates whilst using Windows XP on a volume license would not work well without the person having the knowledge of an IT to maintain it or access to an IT who is supporting the machine under the license. YMMV on this idea. You don't need IT knowledge to update a Corp Version. All you need is to learn Common Sense Computing. http://comsense.microscum.com -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Mark Smith wrote:
"kurttrail" wrote in message ... Mark Smith wrote: Many people use the "Corp Edition" to bypass PA problems, even though they own a legit copy. Wait a minute. You telling me if I have XP Pro I don't have to fool with this activation? No, the Corp Version or Conversion is a Volume Licensed copy of XP, or one that has been converted using VL files. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Richard Urban wrote:
I have plugged in thousands of USB devices into many hundreds of different computers. The next time doing so causes me to have to either reboot or reactivate a computer, will be the first time that I have seen this phenomenon. I would call this an anomaly, not a standard occurrence. Deal with it and get on with your life. It is inconsequential, at best. "Mark Smith" wrote in message ... About three days ago I posted a message here or in the hardware group defending MS Activation because it took me less than 3 clicks; it was fast and easy. Well guess what. I hooked up a USB camera last night. I got a popup saying that before the effects could take place I had to reboot. When I rebooted, I got the Activation popup saying I my hardware configuration had changed. Before that I switched HDD's around and put in a new cd drive. I don't know how I could have exceeded anything. Anyway, I let the activation automatically dial me into their 800 number. I am on dial-up by the way. Then I got disconnected saying I had exceeded my activations. I then realized I was going to have to enter a 60 digit number, so I said screw it and opted out to talk directly to a rep. I was on hold for 4 minutes. When she came on, I told her all I did was connect a usb camera. She explained that everytime my hardware changed I would have to reactivate. I told her I had a new video card coming and a new DVD writer coming, so I had better wait before reactivating now because I don't want to have to go through this again when my new hardware arrives from newegg. She said I could not wait and that I was going to have to call out my 60 digit number and then she would reissue me a new number that I had to enter to reactivate. This whole process took exactly 10 minutes. And I am going to have to go through this every time I connect a USB camera? Are you kidding me? The camera is a cybershot and when I plug it into my USB hub it says found new hardware but you must reboot before changes can take effect. Will MS pay for me to get a card reader so I don't have to keep disconnecting my camera? I can't believe I am going to have to go through this again when my video card gets here. I am going to make damn sure I do the DVD writer at the same time. How much money is MS saving by doing this activation? I am telling you that I am actually thinking about getting an illegal copy of XP now!!!!! When I bought this XP from Circuit City, you guys should have had this disclaimer on it: WARNING: Microsoft now makes it very inconvenient for you to use XP if you are going to build your own computer. Yes, other people being treated like they are guilty is inconsequential to those that are fascists at heart. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Richard Urban wrote:
Your very first post. I am just telling you that plugging in a USB camera should NOT be the cause of a reboot or a reactivation. If you know this, the information you posted was extraneous and not pertinent to what occurred with your system, and should not even have been included with the description of your experience. By the end of your first post you turned to ranting. BTW, the time you took with only your first post would have been well spent by just reactivating your operating system. You have spent well over ten times that amount of time now! What a Dick! Activation only screws with real paying customers, and is a total waste of time, and sometimes more. "Mark Smith" wrote in message ... I never said the camera caused the activation!!!!!!! What is wrong with you people? I said that is why I rebooted!! I also said right after that that I switched around two HDD's and put in a new cdrom. What post were you guys reading? "Richard Urban" wrote in message ... I have plugged in thousands of USB devices into many hundreds of different computers. The next time doing so causes me to have to either reboot or reactivate a computer, will be the first time that I have seen this phenomenon. I would call this an anomaly, not a standard occurrence. Deal with it and get on with your life. It is inconsequential, at best. -- Regards, Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Mark Smith" wrote in message ... About three days ago I posted a message here or in the hardware group defending MS Activation because it took me less than 3 clicks; it was fast and easy. Well guess what. I hooked up a USB camera last night. I got a popup saying that before the effects could take place I had to reboot. When I rebooted, I got the Activation popup saying I my hardware configuration had changed. Before that I switched HDD's around and put in a new cd drive. I don't know how I could have exceeded anything. Anyway, I let the activation automatically dial me into their 800 number. I am on dial-up by the way. Then I got disconnected saying I had exceeded my activations. I then realized I was going to have to enter a 60 digit number, so I said screw it and opted out to talk directly to a rep. I was on hold for 4 minutes. When she came on, I told her all I did was connect a usb camera. She explained that everytime my hardware changed I would have to reactivate. I told her I had a new video card coming and a new DVD writer coming, so I had better wait before reactivating now because I don't want to have to go through this again when my new hardware arrives from newegg. She said I could not wait and that I was going to have to call out my 60 digit number and then she would reissue me a new number that I had to enter to reactivate. This whole process took exactly 10 minutes. And I am going to have to go through this every time I connect a USB camera? Are you kidding me? The camera is a cybershot and when I plug it into my USB hub it says found new hardware but you must reboot before changes can take effect. Will MS pay for me to get a card reader so I don't have to keep disconnecting my camera? I can't believe I am going to have to go through this again when my video card gets here. I am going to make damn sure I do the DVD writer at the same time. How much money is MS saving by doing this activation? I am telling you that I am actually thinking about getting an illegal copy of XP now!!!!! When I bought this XP from Circuit City, you guys should have had this disclaimer on it: WARNING: Microsoft now makes it very inconvenient for you to use XP if you are going to build your own computer. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Richard Urban wrote:
I know that it seems to suck, but you just got a bad tech. A popup on your screen will tell you exactly how many days you have to activate or reactivate. Believe what your computer tells you, not some person from a third world country. I change hardware much more than others also. I have had to reactivate about 4-5 times over the years because of this. My situation is NOT the norm. Many, many people buy a computer and used it until it dies, without even adding one additional program or piece of hardware. They don't know that they can. They replace what may go bad by sending the computer back to the manufacturer. What they usually get is an exact replacement part. Also, their computer may have, in fact, been activated by the manufacturer or need no activation because of the way the manufacturer installs the operating system on their computers. The customer/user does not even know that the process exists. You and I are different. I have learned to live with it and I am certain that you can also. At most, it is a phone call of about 5 minutes. Yep and some Americans learned to live with the Bush administrations lies. And the phone call takes more than 5 minutes liar. Just navigating the BS menus, and typing in your activation code, and then having to repeat it takes longer than 5 minutes. And that is if a rep is available immediately. MS seems to have cut down on the number of phone reps, and a wait on hold is likely to. "Mark Smith" wrote in message ... "Richard Urban" wrote in message news:eaMB1D6% ......you turned to ranting. BTW, the time you took with only your first post would have been well spent by just reactivating your operating system. You have spent well over ten times that amount of time now! Thanks for the recap. You are right that I am ranting now. I am frustrated, especially because I know I have a new video card coming and a 1gig of ram coming. The MS tech said when I install that I am going to have activate again. You are wrong about the USB not needed in my original post. I have never seen a pop up like that before, so it was relevant. And I did reactivate. I had no choice. The tech said I had no choice, even though there was a tab on the activation screen that said I could continue later. I had asked if I could wait because I knew I had new hardware coming. I hope you noticed from all this that I have not complained about XP at all. It is just the activation, and because I just learned from the tech that I am going to have to get a new number every time I activate from now on. And before when all I had to do was click three times, I had no complaint about the activation process. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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Ghostrider wrote:
Mark Smith wrote: "kurttrail" wrote in message ... Mark Smith wrote: Many people use the "Corp Edition" to bypass PA problems, even though they own a legit copy. Wait a minute. You telling me if I have XP Pro I don't have to fool with this activation? Using a "volume license" may avert some of the issues related to activation but it also opens the door to other ones. Use of volume licenses should be limited to sites where they belong, such as the business with an IT staff to roll out the updates and patches. For the average home user to attempt updates whilst using Windows XP on a volume license would not work well without the person having the knowledge of an IT to maintain it or access to an IT who is supporting the machine under the license. YMMV on this idea. Getting updates with a volume license is no different than getting updates with a regular license. We have used both in the same domain environment. It works the same out of the domain also. |
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Mark
If you visit: http://www.licenturion.com/xp/ and download: XPInfo executable you will have a tool that shows the status of your system "votes". At least on my system, no votes change when installing/uninstalling USB devices including my Nikon CoolPix 4300. Stuart "Mark Smith" wrote in message ... About three days ago I posted a message here or in the hardware group defending MS Activation because it took me less than 3 clicks; it was fast and easy. Well guess what. I hooked up a USB camera last night. I got a popup saying that before the effects could take place I had to reboot. When I rebooted, I got the Activation popup saying I my hardware configuration had changed. Before that I switched HDD's around and put in a new cd drive. I don't know how I could have exceeded anything. Anyway, I let the activation automatically dial me into their 800 number. I am on dial-up by the way. Then I got disconnected saying I had exceeded my activations. I then realized I was going to have to enter a 60 digit number, so I said screw it and opted out to talk directly to a rep. I was on hold for 4 minutes. When she came on, I told her all I did was connect a usb camera. She explained that everytime my hardware changed I would have to reactivate. I told her I had a new video card coming and a new DVD writer coming, so I had better wait before reactivating now because I don't want to have to go through this again when my new hardware arrives from newegg. She said I could not wait and that I was going to have to call out my 60 digit number and then she would reissue me a new number that I had to enter to reactivate. This whole process took exactly 10 minutes. And I am going to have to go through this every time I connect a USB camera? Are you kidding me? The camera is a cybershot and when I plug it into my USB hub it says found new hardware but you must reboot before changes can take effect. Will MS pay for me to get a card reader so I don't have to keep disconnecting my camera? I can't believe I am going to have to go through this again when my video card gets here. I am going to make damn sure I do the DVD writer at the same time. How much money is MS saving by doing this activation? I am telling you that I am actually thinking about getting an illegal copy of XP now!!!!! When I bought this XP from Circuit City, you guys should have had this disclaimer on it: WARNING: Microsoft now makes it very inconvenient for you to use XP if you are going to build your own computer. |
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"John Corliss" wrote in message ... Alias wrote: (clipped) Actually, if you clean install XP SP1, followed by SP 2, then updates, then motherboard drivers, video card, audio card drivers, then programs, and *then* devices like printers, cameras, etc., you're much better off. Thanks for mentioning this because I'm going to try to upgrade from ME to XP Home SP2 using this technique. For the last couple of days, I was thinking about how best to deal with the peripherals. However, can you provide more info about why it's better to install all the programs before attaching and detecting peripherals? With M.E., whenever I do a format and total reinstall, I always make sure that all of my hardware (including all peripherals) is functioning before installing any programs (well, that is except for Winzip and Acroread). A lot of USB peripherals must have the drivers installed before the hookup. Winzip has caused me problems with XP. Besides windows has its own built in zip/extract function. |
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"Mark Smith" wrote in message ... "ANONYMOUS" wrote in message I am retired now after 40 years service with a top university in London. I am an emeritus professor of Computing and Artificial Intelligence. LMAO!!! Now who has nothing better to do? Ok, if you say so, I guess that makes it true. Bye bye. PROVERB WHEN YOU CAN'T DO.....PREACH/TEACH |
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You people may find it hard to believe that a pnp device could trigger
activation but, it happened to me also. I loaded the software for my web cam(Logitech) and rebooted like it said to do. When up came the activation screen, you must phone MS to activate. Luckily I could use the touchtone input method of activation. "ANONYMOUS" wrote: Alias wrote: It insults the intelligence of people who have paid for a product to prove they did not once, but twice. There is no reason why paying customers should be forced to take their time and help MS catch the "bad guys" who just go about their cracking and laugh at dummies like you who fall in line and say, "activation? Yes sir, yes sir, three clicks full, sir". I agree there is no reason for paying customers to have to go through this process but we don't know whether the OP's problem was just because he hooked his camera to a usb port that triggered the re-activation. It sounds incredible to be true! Are you openly accusing the OP of being a liar? You're kinda like activation: guilty of piracy until you prove otherwise. I am not accusing anybody. i am simply highlighting the flaws in the story. It is incredible! Have you had an instance of plugging anything to a USB port that triggered a re-activation? We always advice people to disconnect everything from the system when installing an OS. This includes cameras, printers, scanners etc. The only thing that is attached is a keyboard and a mouse. Now when you plug your printer, scanner etc, are you telling me this requires re-acticvations? RUBBISH or somebody said B/S. |
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It didn't give you the option to activate online, only by phone? Had you
changed any hardware prior to installing the camera since the last activation? Alias tfw48079 wrote: You people may find it hard to believe that a pnp device could trigger activation but, it happened to me also. I loaded the software for my web cam(Logitech) and rebooted like it said to do. When up came the activation screen, you must phone MS to activate. Luckily I could use the touchtone input method of activation. "ANONYMOUS" wrote: Alias wrote: It insults the intelligence of people who have paid for a product to prove they did not once, but twice. There is no reason why paying customers should be forced to take their time and help MS catch the "bad guys" who just go about their cracking and laugh at dummies like you who fall in line and say, "activation? Yes sir, yes sir, three clicks full, sir". I agree there is no reason for paying customers to have to go through this process but we don't know whether the OP's problem was just because he hooked his camera to a usb port that triggered the re-activation. It sounds incredible to be true! Are you openly accusing the OP of being a liar? You're kinda like activation: guilty of piracy until you prove otherwise. I am not accusing anybody. i am simply highlighting the flaws in the story. It is incredible! Have you had an instance of plugging anything to a USB port that triggered a re-activation? We always advice people to disconnect everything from the system when installing an OS. This includes cameras, printers, scanners etc. The only thing that is attached is a keyboard and a mouse. Now when you plug your printer, scanner etc, are you telling me this requires re-acticvations? RUBBISH or somebody said B/S. |
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Frank wrote:
"John Corliss" wrote in message ... Alias wrote: (clipped) Actually, if you clean install XP SP1, followed by SP 2, then updates, then motherboard drivers, video card, audio card drivers, then programs, and *then* devices like printers, cameras, etc., you're much better off. Thanks for mentioning this because I'm going to try to upgrade from ME to XP Home SP2 using this technique. For the last couple of days, I was thinking about how best to deal with the peripherals. However, can you provide more info about why it's better to install all the programs before attaching and detecting peripherals? With M.E., whenever I do a format and total reinstall, I always make sure that all of my hardware (including all peripherals) is functioning before installing any programs (well, that is except for Winzip and Acroread). A lot of USB peripherals must have the drivers installed before the hookup. Winzip has caused me problems with XP. Besides windows has its own built in zip/extract function. Frank, I know that drivers sometimes need to be installed before hardware. I was only refering to programs, not drivers. -- Regards from John Corliss I don't reply to trolls and other such idiots. No adware, cdware, commercial software, crippleware, demoware, nagware, PROmotionware, shareware, spyware, time-limited software, trialware, viruses or warez please. |
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Wondering why you adopt such an aggressive/angry stance. Doesn't seem
like such a good idea when you are seeking help or advice. Just my personal opinionthough, not trying to be a "pain". Regards Echy Mark Smith wrote: I never said the camera caused the activation!!!!!!! What is wrong with you people? I said that is why I rebooted!! I also said right after that that I switched around two HDD's and put in a new cdrom. What post were you guys reading? "Richard Urban" wrote in message ... I have plugged in thousands of USB devices into many hundreds of different computers. The next time doing so causes me to have to either reboot or reactivate a computer, will be the first time that I have seen this phenomenon. I would call this an anomaly, not a standard occurrence. Deal with it and get on with your life. It is inconsequential, at best. -- Regards, Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "Mark Smith" wrote in message .. . About three days ago I posted a message here or in the hardware group defending MS Activation because it took me less than 3 clicks; it was fast and easy. Well guess what. I hooked up a USB camera last night. I got a popup saying that before the effects could take place I had to reboot. When I rebooted, I got the Activation popup saying I my hardware configuration had changed. Before that I switched HDD's around and put in a new cd drive. I don't know how I could have exceeded anything. Anyway, I let the activation automatically dial me into their 800 number. I am on dial-up by the way. Then I got disconnected saying I had exceeded my activations. I then realized I was going to have to enter a 60 digit number, so I said screw it and opted out to talk directly to a rep. I was on hold for 4 minutes. When she came on, I told her all I did was connect a usb camera. She explained that everytime my hardware changed I would have to reactivate. I told her I had a new video card coming and a new DVD writer coming, so I had better wait before reactivating now because I don't want to have to go through this again when my new hardware arrives from newegg. She said I could not wait and that I was going to have to call out my 60 digit number and then she would reissue me a new number that I had to enter to reactivate. This whole process took exactly 10 minutes. And I am going to have to go through this every time I connect a USB camera? Are you kidding me? The camera is a cybershot and when I plug it into my USB hub it says found new hardware but you must reboot before changes can take effect. Will MS pay for me to get a card reader so I don't have to keep disconnecting my camera? I can't believe I am going to have to go through this again when my video card gets here. I am going to make damn sure I do the DVD writer at the same time. How much money is MS saving by doing this activation? I am telling you that I am actually thinking about getting an illegal copy of XP now!!!!! When I bought this XP from Circuit City, you guys should have had this disclaimer on it: WARNING: Microsoft now makes it very inconvenient for you to use XP if you are going to build your own computer. |
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The last time I reactivated by phone I WAS done within 5 minutes. Sorry to
inform you of this. I was here - you weren't! -- Regards, Richard Urban Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User Quote from George Ankner: If you knew as much as you think you know, You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew! "kurttrail" wrote in message ... Richard Urban wrote: I know that it seems to suck, but you just got a bad tech. A popup on your screen will tell you exactly how many days you have to activate or reactivate. Believe what your computer tells you, not some person from a third world country. I change hardware much more than others also. I have had to reactivate about 4-5 times over the years because of this. My situation is NOT the norm. Many, many people buy a computer and used it until it dies, without even adding one additional program or piece of hardware. They don't know that they can. They replace what may go bad by sending the computer back to the manufacturer. What they usually get is an exact replacement part. Also, their computer may have, in fact, been activated by the manufacturer or need no activation because of the way the manufacturer installs the operating system on their computers. The customer/user does not even know that the process exists. You and I are different. I have learned to live with it and I am certain that you can also. At most, it is a phone call of about 5 minutes. Yep and some Americans learned to live with the Bush administrations lies. And the phone call takes more than 5 minutes liar. Just navigating the BS menus, and typing in your activation code, and then having to repeat it takes longer than 5 minutes. And that is if a rep is available immediately. MS seems to have cut down on the number of phone reps, and a wait on hold is likely to. "Mark Smith" wrote in message ... "Richard Urban" wrote in message news:eaMB1D6% ......you turned to ranting. BTW, the time you took with only your first post would have been well spent by just reactivating your operating system. You have spent well over ten times that amount of time now! Thanks for the recap. You are right that I am ranting now. I am frustrated, especially because I know I have a new video card coming and a 1gig of ram coming. The MS tech said when I install that I am going to have activate again. You are wrong about the USB not needed in my original post. I have never seen a pop up like that before, so it was relevant. And I did reactivate. I had no choice. The tech said I had no choice, even though there was a tab on the activation screen that said I could continue later. I had asked if I could wait because I knew I had new hardware coming. I hope you noticed from all this that I have not complained about XP at all. It is just the activation, and because I just learned from the tech that I am going to have to get a new number every time I activate from now on. And before when all I had to do was click three times, I had no complaint about the activation process. -- Peace! Kurt Self-anointed Moderator microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea http://microscum.com/mscommunity "Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron! "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei" |
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