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Old November 25th 17, 12:19 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It
also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never
needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it.
I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it,
I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking
for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and
everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that
goddamn driver crap.

I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did
not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could
come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants
ethernet.

Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install
the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the
case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm
tired of f**king with the hassle.

I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created
Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put
a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again".

Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it
inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the
garbage.

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Old November 25th 17, 12:45 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

wrote:
When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It
also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never
needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it.
I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it,
I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking
for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and
everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that
goddamn driver crap.

I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did
not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could
come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants
ethernet.

Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install
the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the
case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm
tired of f**king with the hassle.

I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created
Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put
a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again".

Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it
inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the
garbage.


You could always ask about where to find a driver.

Tell us what's printed on the top of the main chip.

*******

As for card storage, it goes into an antistatic bag, not
into tinfoil. The antistatic bag dissipates charge slowly,
so the peak current flow is lower than if handled otherwise.
Tinfoil dissipates ESD too fast, causing a big surge
of current to flow in diodes and burn a hole in the
junction. And not all antistatic bags are equally effective,
as on some, you have to touch and hold the *inside* of
the bag, while loading and unloading items.

Duct tape can generate local static charge, and the
most poorly made chips only have a 1kV resistant
to ESD. The better made ones (modern RS232 chips)
are rated for 15kV and are harder to kill. Intentionally
generating static with the right kind of clothing
can generate sparks up to 50kV. Just for comparison.

Paul
  #3  
Old November 25th 17, 10:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:45:46 -0500, Paul wrote:

wrote:
When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It
also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never
needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it.
I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it,
I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking
for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and
everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that
goddamn driver crap.

I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did
not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could
come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants
ethernet.

Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install
the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the
case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm
tired of f**king with the hassle.

I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created
Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put
a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again".

Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it
inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the
garbage.


You could always ask about where to find a driver.

Tell us what's printed on the top of the main chip.

*******

As for card storage, it goes into an antistatic bag, not
into tinfoil. The antistatic bag dissipates charge slowly,
so the peak current flow is lower than if handled otherwise.
Tinfoil dissipates ESD too fast, causing a big surge
of current to flow in diodes and burn a hole in the
junction. And not all antistatic bags are equally effective,
as on some, you have to touch and hold the *inside* of
the bag, while loading and unloading items.

Duct tape can generate local static charge, and the
most poorly made chips only have a 1kV resistant
to ESD. The better made ones (modern RS232 chips)
are rated for 15kV and are harder to kill. Intentionally
generating static with the right kind of clothing
can generate sparks up to 50kV. Just for comparison.

Paul


That computer is not connected to the internet, and wont be. It's my
safe storage machine. So I cant let it go online to DL the driver like
is keeps wanting to do. But I can DL the driver (on this computer) and
use a floppy or flash drive to copy it over there.

The card has D-Link stamped on the metal part. The main (big) chip says
DL10038D.The board has these numbers too: DFE-530TX+ Rev E1.

There are also some bar codes in the rear, that are glued to the board.
But I wont bother to type them, unless needed.

  #4  
Old November 26th 17, 03:33 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 15:05:52 -0600, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:45:46 -0500, Paul wrote:

wrote:
When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It
also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never
needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it.
I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it,
I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking
for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and
everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that
goddamn driver crap.

I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did
not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could
come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants
ethernet.

Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install
the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the
case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm
tired of f**king with the hassle.

I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created
Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put
a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again".

Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it
inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the
garbage.


You could always ask about where to find a driver.

Tell us what's printed on the top of the main chip.

*******

As for card storage, it goes into an antistatic bag, not
into tinfoil. The antistatic bag dissipates charge slowly,
so the peak current flow is lower than if handled otherwise.
Tinfoil dissipates ESD too fast, causing a big surge
of current to flow in diodes and burn a hole in the
junction. And not all antistatic bags are equally effective,
as on some, you have to touch and hold the *inside* of
the bag, while loading and unloading items.

Duct tape can generate local static charge, and the
most poorly made chips only have a 1kV resistant
to ESD. The better made ones (modern RS232 chips)
are rated for 15kV and are harder to kill. Intentionally
generating static with the right kind of clothing
can generate sparks up to 50kV. Just for comparison.

Paul


That computer is not connected to the internet, and wont be. It's my
safe storage machine. So I cant let it go online to DL the driver like
is keeps wanting to do. But I can DL the driver (on this computer) and
use a floppy or flash drive to copy it over there.

The card has D-Link stamped on the metal part. The main (big) chip says
DL10038D.The board has these numbers too: DFE-530TX+ Rev E1.

There are also some bar codes in the rear, that are glued to the board.
But I wont bother to type them, unless needed.


You should be able to disable it on the control panel and it will
leave you alone.
  #5  
Old November 26th 17, 04:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 21:33:42 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 15:05:52 -0600,
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:45:46 -0500, Paul wrote:

wrote:
When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It
also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never
needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it.
I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it,
I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking
for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and
everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that
goddamn driver crap.

I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did
not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could
come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants
ethernet.

Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install
the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the
case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm
tired of f**king with the hassle.

I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created
Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put
a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again".

Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it
inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the
garbage.


You could always ask about where to find a driver.

Tell us what's printed on the top of the main chip.

*******

As for card storage, it goes into an antistatic bag, not
into tinfoil. The antistatic bag dissipates charge slowly,
so the peak current flow is lower than if handled otherwise.
Tinfoil dissipates ESD too fast, causing a big surge
of current to flow in diodes and burn a hole in the
junction. And not all antistatic bags are equally effective,
as on some, you have to touch and hold the *inside* of
the bag, while loading and unloading items.

Duct tape can generate local static charge, and the
most poorly made chips only have a 1kV resistant
to ESD. The better made ones (modern RS232 chips)
are rated for 15kV and are harder to kill. Intentionally
generating static with the right kind of clothing
can generate sparks up to 50kV. Just for comparison.

Paul


That computer is not connected to the internet, and wont be. It's my
safe storage machine. So I cant let it go online to DL the driver like
is keeps wanting to do. But I can DL the driver (on this computer) and
use a floppy or flash drive to copy it over there.

The card has D-Link stamped on the metal part. The main (big) chip says
DL10038D.The board has these numbers too: DFE-530TX+ Rev E1.

There are also some bar codes in the rear, that are glued to the board.
But I wont bother to type them, unless needed.


You should be able to disable it on the control panel and it will
leave you alone.


I thought I accomplished that several times. It seems to always come
back to haunt me. Maybe I dont know the real trick to doing it???

Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use
some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without
it, but If I cant find a way to fasten it inside the computer case, I
may as well toss it in the trash, cuz I'll never find it at a later
date, if I just toss it in a box.


  #6  
Old November 26th 17, 08:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:45:46 -0500, Paul wrote:

wrote:
When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It
also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never
needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it.
I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it,
I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking
for drivers and all of that annoying ****. Everrytime I hit "Cancel" and
everything works well, until I reboot again, and have to f**k with that
goddamn driver crap.

I dont use or need a network, and likely will never use it. But I did
not want to just remove that card and throw it away, since there could
come a time I need it, or sell the computer to someone who wants
ethernet.

Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install
the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the
case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm
tired of f**king with the hassle.

I think the people at Microsoft are idiots. They intentionally created
Windows to annoy the hell out of their users. Why couldn't they just put
a box to click that says "Dont bug me with this again".

Anyhow, the card is removed. I'm trying to find a way to duct tape it
inside the case where it wont cause problems. Otherwise it goes in the
garbage.

You could always ask about where to find a driver.

Tell us what's printed on the top of the main chip.

*******

As for card storage, it goes into an antistatic bag, not
into tinfoil. The antistatic bag dissipates charge slowly,
so the peak current flow is lower than if handled otherwise.
Tinfoil dissipates ESD too fast, causing a big surge
of current to flow in diodes and burn a hole in the
junction. And not all antistatic bags are equally effective,
as on some, you have to touch and hold the *inside* of
the bag, while loading and unloading items.

Duct tape can generate local static charge, and the
most poorly made chips only have a 1kV resistant
to ESD. The better made ones (modern RS232 chips)
are rated for 15kV and are harder to kill. Intentionally
generating static with the right kind of clothing
can generate sparks up to 50kV. Just for comparison.

Paul


That computer is not connected to the internet, and wont be. It's my
safe storage machine. So I cant let it go online to DL the driver like
is keeps wanting to do. But I can DL the driver (on this computer) and
use a floppy or flash drive to copy it over there.

The card has D-Link stamped on the metal part. The main (big) chip says
DL10038D.The board has these numbers too: DFE-530TX+ Rev E1.

There are also some bar codes in the rear, that are glued to the board.
But I wont bother to type them, unless needed.


https://wikidevi.com/wiki/D-Link_DFE-530TX%2B_rev_E1

Linux driver 8139too --- That tells you it's a RealTek 8139 PCI

Windows: PCI\VEN_1186&DEV_1300&SUBSYS_13011186

1300 RTL8139 Ethernet
1186 1300 DFE-538TX 10/100 Ethernet Adapter
1186 1301 DFE-530TX+ 10/100 Ethernet Adapter
1186 1303 DFE-528TX 10/100 Fast Ethernet PCI Adapter

Now, if we use an actual RealTek driver, the VEN is 10EC, not 1186.
so a RealTek driver wouldn't work unless you hacked the INF.

*******

This is your driver. This just about killed me. I must have had
20 false starts and ratholes.

dfe530TX+_driver_5397.exe

"D-Link DFE-530TX LAN Driver 5397"

http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/NET...FE-530TX.shtml

http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/NET...shtml#download

605 KB file size

This download is provided to you FREE of charge.

Inside the WinXP folder, you will find

NETDLKR5.INF

which says

[D-Link]
%DFE530.DeviceDesc% = DFE530.ndi, PCI\VEN_1186&DEV_1300
%DFE530_A.DeviceDesc% = DFE530_A.ndi, PCI\VEN_1186&DEV_1300&SUBSYS_13011186 --- match!!!
%DFE530_A.DeviceDesc% = DFE530_A.ndi, PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8139&SUBSYS_13011186

If the install.exe doesn't work, you can
always try an INF install by right-clicking the
INF file in the "Winxp" folder.

Paul
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Old November 26th 17, 01:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

In message ,
writes:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 21:33:42 -0500,
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 15:05:52 -0600,
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 06:45:46 -0500, Paul wrote:

wrote:
When I bought a computer, it came with an ethernet card installed. It
also had XP pro Sp3 installed. Whoever installed XP apparently never
needed that ethernet card, so they never installed the drivers for it.
I've owned this computer for at least 3 years, and everytime I boot it,
I have to face a message telling me i need to install that card, asking

[]
Why the hell cant XP just accept the fact that I dont want to install
the drivers for that card and shut the f**k up. However, I just had the
case open, and decided it was time to rip that goodamn card out. I'm
tired of f**king with the hassle.

[]
That computer is not connected to the internet, and wont be. It's my
safe storage machine. So I cant let it go online to DL the driver like
is keeps wanting to do. But I can DL the driver (on this computer) and
use a floppy or flash drive to copy it over there.


Paul has found one for you.
[]
You should be able to disable it on the control panel and it will
leave you alone.


I thought I accomplished that several times. It seems to always come
back to haunt me. Maybe I dont know the real trick to doing it???


I think it's something like "disable this device"; it's in Device
Manager, anyway. But it's possible (though I think unlikely) that the
message is coming from something before Windows.

Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use
some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without


It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and
having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede the
machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount.

it, but If I cant find a way to fasten it inside the computer case, I
may as well toss it in the trash, cuz I'll never find it at a later
date, if I just toss it in a box.

(Well, don't toss it: give it away if you must discard it.) If this is a
tower system, then - heresy as it may be - you could just lay it on the
bottom of the case (inside), assuming you'd remember it was there; the
case is a metal enclosure.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... the pleasure of the mind is an amazing thing. My life has been driven by
the satisfaction of curiosity. - Jeremy Paxman (being interviewed by Anne
Widdecombe), Radio Times, 2-8 July 2011.
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Old November 26th 17, 01:42 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
writes:



Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use
some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without


It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and
having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede the
machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount.


In the old days, a NIC chip drew around 1 watt.

On modern chips, they're dual rail, with a higher voltage
for the I/O pins (3.3V maybe) and a lower voltage for the
core (to save on core power by using reduced amplitude
signals). And the Ethernet chips also have power saving features
to put portions of them to sleep when no packets are coming in.

If the RJ45 wasn't plugged in, and there was no heartbeat
from a router, then the chip might power down. (And the
driver and Device Manager setting can help it do that.)

Some older hardware probably runs at constant power.
Like that RTL8139 on the OPs card. (I just looked up
the datasheet, and it's 1.1W of power max.)

Much has changed over the years about IC design, and
back in the old days, we had relatively slow
computers burning up 150W just sitting there. If
you stick a power meter on an older machine, it's
shocking how much power it wastes. Just like the
CRT screens we used to use, would draw 150W for
a big monitor. Old computer hardware is
a "coal fired glutton" :-)

Paul
  #9  
Old November 26th 17, 02:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
writes:



Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use
some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without

It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and
having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede
the machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount.


In the old days, a NIC chip drew around 1 watt.

On modern chips, they're dual rail, with a higher voltage
for the I/O pins (3.3V maybe) and a lower voltage for the
core (to save on core power by using reduced amplitude
signals). And the Ethernet chips also have power saving features
to put portions of them to sleep when no packets are coming in.

If the RJ45 wasn't plugged in, and there was no heartbeat
from a router, then the chip might power down. (And the
driver and Device Manager setting can help it do that.)

Some older hardware probably runs at constant power.
Like that RTL8139 on the OPs card. (I just looked up
the datasheet, and it's 1.1W of power max.)

Much has changed over the years about IC design, and
back in the old days, we had relatively slow
computers burning up 150W just sitting there. If
you stick a power meter on an older machine, it's
shocking how much power it wastes. Just like the
CRT screens we used to use, would draw 150W for
a big monitor. Old computer hardware is
a "coal fired glutton" :-)


(In hot climates or hot weather. In cold climates, they're just reducing
the requirement on your heating system! [Though electric heating is
rarely cheaper than other forms.])

Paul


So even if it's an old power-hungry card, we're only talking a few watts
- probably negligible, though just _possibly_ detectable in pennies per
year. I'd have said the main benefits from removing it would be improved
airflow, and _possibly_ reduced likelihood of software problems/slowdown
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'evidence'. Professor Edzart Ernst, prudential
magazine, AUTUMN 2006, p. 13.
  #10  
Old November 26th 17, 10:01 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
No_Name
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:25:10 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
writes:



Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use
some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without
It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and
having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede
the machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount.


In the old days, a NIC chip drew around 1 watt.

On modern chips, they're dual rail, with a higher voltage
for the I/O pins (3.3V maybe) and a lower voltage for the
core (to save on core power by using reduced amplitude
signals). And the Ethernet chips also have power saving features
to put portions of them to sleep when no packets are coming in.

If the RJ45 wasn't plugged in, and there was no heartbeat
from a router, then the chip might power down. (And the
driver and Device Manager setting can help it do that.)

Some older hardware probably runs at constant power.
Like that RTL8139 on the OPs card. (I just looked up
the datasheet, and it's 1.1W of power max.)

Much has changed over the years about IC design, and
back in the old days, we had relatively slow
computers burning up 150W just sitting there. If
you stick a power meter on an older machine, it's
shocking how much power it wastes. Just like the
CRT screens we used to use, would draw 150W for
a big monitor. Old computer hardware is
a "coal fired glutton" :-)


(In hot climates or hot weather. In cold climates, they're just reducing
the requirement on your heating system! [Though electric heating is
rarely cheaper than other forms.])

Paul


So even if it's an old power-hungry card, we're only talking a few watts
- probably negligible, though just _possibly_ detectable in pennies per
year. I'd have said the main benefits from removing it would be improved
airflow, and _possibly_ reduced likelihood of software problems/slowdown


I downloaded that driver, but havent tried it yet. Too many projects
going on. If that driver works, I'll just leave it plugged in. Maybe
someday I'll get ambitious and try to setup a network, but I dont really
see a need. I dont want to connect it to this computer which runs
Win98se, because the whole point of that computer is to keep it free of
the internet for safety reasons.

I did plan to wrap it in a anti-static bag and place it in the bottom of
that comp, but I was concerned about that bag touching the MOBO. I
beleive those anti-static bags are conductive. But I guess that anti-s
bag could have been placed inside yet another bag made of plastic or
paper. Or wrapped with duct tape.

I do wonder one thing. I know setting up a network is difficult. However
the last time I tried I was running Windows 3.x, so maybe it's easier
now. Anyhow, if my Win98 comp is connected to an XP comp, and I connect
to the internet with the Win98 comp, can I use the internet thru the
network? In other words, could I use a modern browser on XP, but still
be connected to the internet using Win98? (If you dont recall, I have
that problem where only Win98 can create a usable connection to my
dialup. If this is possible, I do have another unused computer with XP
on it.

You mentioned the old computers used lots of power even on standby. How
old would that be? This is the comp that is normally running most of the
time. It's a 2000 or 2001 system, which was designed for Win 2000. But
it runs Win98se. I know it runs a lot cooler than any modern comps, but
how much power is wasted leaving it on most of the time??? (No, it dont
have a CRT monitor, and when I walk away from it for hours, I always
turn off the flat screen monitor, just to save the monitor as well as
energy).



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Old November 27th 17, 02:21 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 15:01:31 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:25:10 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message ,
writes:


Leaving it unplugged is probably the best, I imagine all cards do use
some power, so I may be savihg a few cents on my electric bill without
It's absence would probably also improve ventilation and so on, and
having it there (even _with_ the correct drivers) might still impede
the machine's operation, though in practice by an imperceptible amount.

In the old days, a NIC chip drew around 1 watt.

On modern chips, they're dual rail, with a higher voltage
for the I/O pins (3.3V maybe) and a lower voltage for the
core (to save on core power by using reduced amplitude
signals). And the Ethernet chips also have power saving features
to put portions of them to sleep when no packets are coming in.

If the RJ45 wasn't plugged in, and there was no heartbeat
from a router, then the chip might power down. (And the
driver and Device Manager setting can help it do that.)

Some older hardware probably runs at constant power.
Like that RTL8139 on the OPs card. (I just looked up
the datasheet, and it's 1.1W of power max.)

Much has changed over the years about IC design, and
back in the old days, we had relatively slow
computers burning up 150W just sitting there. If
you stick a power meter on an older machine, it's
shocking how much power it wastes. Just like the
CRT screens we used to use, would draw 150W for
a big monitor. Old computer hardware is
a "coal fired glutton" :-)


(In hot climates or hot weather. In cold climates, they're just reducing
the requirement on your heating system! [Though electric heating is
rarely cheaper than other forms.])

Paul


So even if it's an old power-hungry card, we're only talking a few watts
- probably negligible, though just _possibly_ detectable in pennies per
year. I'd have said the main benefits from removing it would be improved
airflow, and _possibly_ reduced likelihood of software problems/slowdown


I downloaded that driver, but havent tried it yet. Too many projects
going on. If that driver works, I'll just leave it plugged in. Maybe
someday I'll get ambitious and try to setup a network, but I dont really
see a need. I dont want to connect it to this computer which runs
Win98se, because the whole point of that computer is to keep it free of
the internet for safety reasons.

I did plan to wrap it in a anti-static bag and place it in the bottom of
that comp, but I was concerned about that bag touching the MOBO. I
beleive those anti-static bags are conductive. But I guess that anti-s
bag could have been placed inside yet another bag made of plastic or
paper. Or wrapped with duct tape.

I do wonder one thing. I know setting up a network is difficult. However
the last time I tried I was running Windows 3.x, so maybe it's easier
now. Anyhow, if my Win98 comp is connected to an XP comp, and I connect
to the internet with the Win98 comp, can I use the internet thru the
network? In other words, could I use a modern browser on XP, but still
be connected to the internet using Win98? (If you dont recall, I have
that problem where only Win98 can create a usable connection to my
dialup. If this is possible, I do have another unused computer with XP
on it.

You mentioned the old computers used lots of power even on standby. How
old would that be? This is the comp that is normally running most of the
time. It's a 2000 or 2001 system, which was designed for Win 2000. But
it runs Win98se. I know it runs a lot cooler than any modern comps, but
how much power is wasted leaving it on most of the time??? (No, it dont
have a CRT monitor, and when I walk away from it for hours, I always
turn off the flat screen monitor, just to save the monitor as well as
energy).



It is still handy to have a network for moving files but if you really
want it "air gapped" I understand. I have a couple of those myself,
like the old clunker I do my taxes on.
Data only goes in, it comes out on paper.
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Old November 27th 17, 02:28 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default Getting rid of that f**king ethernet card

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:21:36 -0500, wrote:

You mentioned the old computers used lots of power even on standby. How
old would that be? This is the comp that is normally running most of the
time. It's a 2000 or 2001 system, which was designed for Win 2000. But
it runs Win98se. I know it runs a lot cooler than any modern comps, but
how much power is wasted leaving it on most of the time??? (No, it dont
have a CRT monitor, and when I walk away from it for hours, I always
turn off the flat screen monitor, just to save the monitor as well as
energy).



It is still handy to have a network for moving files but if you really
want it "air gapped" I understand. I have a couple of those myself,
like the old clunker I do my taxes on.
Data only goes in, it comes out on paper.


I transfer files using flash drives. That can get a little cumbersome
with Win98 because it only accepts a few 2gb flash drives, but that
usually does the job. If I want access to ALL my stuff, I have
everything from every computer copied to a 1tb external hard drive. I
can plug that into any computer (except Win98 wont recognize it) and
transfer files. I do have other ways of using that on the Win98 machine
though.

You could probably put all your tax software and data on a flash drive
to keep it separated too.

I would consider networking my Win98 machine to another XP one, but I
have a feeling setting up the network on the Win98 machine would be
tough. (Maybe on XP too, I dont know....).



 




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