Firefox 0.9.2

"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Tx2 wrote:

In article , ,
a.k.a Steven K says...


Have they fixed the bookmark sorting (a-z folders first)? does it
work now? I hate browsers that cant do basic things like that...

As opposed to what, browsers that open your machine up to the Russian
mafia?

I prefer a browser that opens up to the Sicilian mafia.

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have a good weekend, kurt...

....danny

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"kurttrail" wrote in
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Tx2 wrote:

In article ,
, a.k.a Steven K says...


Have they fixed the bookmark sorting (a-z folders first)? does it
work now? I hate browsers that cant do basic things like that...

As opposed to what, browsers that open your machine up to the
Russian mafia?

I prefer a browser that opens up to the Sicilian mafia.



Once again, it shows you can take the boy out of Jersey, but....

:~)

LOL!


have a good weekend, kurt...

...danny

You too, Danny!

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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

"DILIP" wrote in message

Have they fixed the bookmark sorting (a-z folders first)? does it work
now?
I hate browsers that cant do basic things like that...

No, they haven't added that feature yet. But I presume all these things
will be fixed by the time Firefox 1.0 is out.

Hey, DILIP, you are the only one answering my question here! Bravo!
Honestly, I thought like this since even with Mozilla it took them AGES to
get this very basic "feature" done. Somehow like inventing the car but still
featuring the square wheels (only).
However, the development of the all new hexagon wheel looks promising..

:-)

Steve

Richard Urban wrote:
New version of Firefox (0.9.2) is now available for download!

What about Thunderbird EMail client, can it handle Netscape Mail?

Greetings --

I use both, as it happens. I'm not using Firefox for purposes of
security, but rather education. (Heck, one of my other PCs is even
running SuSE Linux 9.) Since I make my living supporting and
repairing PCs, I think it a good idea to be familiar with more than
just Microsoft Products.

Bruce Chambers
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"CZ" wrote in message
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Bruce:

Why use Firefox? In terms of security, what does it do that you
cannot do
with the MSIE settings?

TIA

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message =
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Greetings --
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I use both, as it happens. I'm not using Firefox for purposes of
security, but rather education. (Heck, one of my other PCs is even
running SuSE Linux 9.) Since I make my living supporting and
repairing PCs, I think it a good idea to be familiar with more than
just Microsoft Products.

I haven't used SuSe since the 8.0 flavor, do you like it, and does it =
support the newer hardwares and many apps?

I am thinking of getting Mandrake 10.0, but haven't decided, I still =
have the 9.0.

"Tom" wrote in message

"Bruce Chambers" wrote in message
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I am thinking of getting Mandrake 10.0, but haven't decided, I still have
the 9.0.

Oh, Mandrake still on the market? - I bought a copy of version 9 two years
ago(or so)
After 4 weeks it went straight into the bin. It's still light-years away
from Windows comfort.

Steve

"CZ" wrote:

The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see.

The tabs are nice, but they are among the least of what Firefox
offers: built-in pop-up blocking, cookie control, download manager,
DOM inspector. Support for multiple stylesheets also exists, and
Firefox handles some (standard) HTML syntax that IE does not.

--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(DTS)

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:17:56 +0530, "DILIP" wrote:

The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see.

That's the (a?) trouble with MS: Short attention span.

Team A susses out some angles, makes design decisions that neatly
side-step a bunch of problems. Said problems never arise. Team B
comes along and throws out the decisions team A brought to the party
and gee whiz who'd have thought it, runs into what team A avoided.

So it is with MDI. MDI (Multiple Document Interface) was one of the
good ideas Win3.yuk made standard (some DOS apps were already doing
this). Then IE did the five-dozen-heap-bleeding-separate-windows
thing, complete with scrollbars on the Taskbar.

Then they broke MS Office around Office 2000 to fit with this
benighted IE design. So great, now I have to guess which of a dozen
Excel instances is the one with the sheet I want to switch to. YUKK!!

XP brings some sense to the madness by grouping instances of the same
app, and that helps particularly when you can see what apps they are
in the Taskbar group's pop-up.

But Netscape 7.x (and presumably the open-source foundation apps it's
drawn from, such as Mozilla if not FireFox) give you the best of both
worlds - you can kick open a new window *or* a new tab. So; have
three open Windows with different Google searches in each, and kick
open each search's links as tabs in the same window.

This is a sensible way to work.

Thanks for the FireFox version heads-up, and links to that and new
Mozilla. I haven't looked in that direction since Netscape 7.02, and
will now be doing so. As it is, my standard practice is IE 6 SP1,
Netscape 7.02 and the pre-AOL Netscape 4.8 (which I run with
Java/JavaScript suppressed as a safer tyre-kicker).



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Tip Of The Day:
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
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That's how I browse as well. I go to a few websites everyday that find
their place in the Links (in firefox, bookmarks toolbar) folder and open
them in different windows. The links from these websites are opened within
the respective windows' tabs...

The grouping in the XP toolbar hasn't suited my liking actually. I think
anything more than a single click is too much, especially since the
sub-grouping fails to be descriptive enough. However I like 8 apps in the
Quick launch toolbar, which, along with the Desktop toolbar squeezed in on
the right make for quite a small taskbar space.

I think the biggest loser in this battle is Opera. They charge for the
features firefox has, or can add-in with extensions, for free (including
mouse gestures). And version 7.5 seems to have taken a few cues from
firefox as well, it seems less claustrophobic now, if you know what I mean.
:-)

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Replace the obvious with "hotmail"

"cquirke (MVP Win9x)" wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:17:56 +0530, "DILIP" wrote:

The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see.

That's the (a?) trouble with MS: Short attention span.

Team A susses out some angles, makes design decisions that neatly
side-step a bunch of problems. Said problems never arise. Team B
comes along and throws out the decisions team A brought to the party
and gee whiz who'd have thought it, runs into what team A avoided.

So it is with MDI. MDI (Multiple Document Interface) was one of the
good ideas Win3.yuk made standard (some DOS apps were already doing
this). Then IE did the five-dozen-heap-bleeding-separate-windows
thing, complete with scrollbars on the Taskbar.

Then they broke MS Office around Office 2000 to fit with this
benighted IE design. So great, now I have to guess which of a dozen
Excel instances is the one with the sheet I want to switch to. YUKK!!

XP brings some sense to the madness by grouping instances of the same
app, and that helps particularly when you can see what apps they are
in the Taskbar group's pop-up.

But Netscape 7.x (and presumably the open-source foundation apps it's
drawn from, such as Mozilla if not FireFox) give you the best of both
worlds - you can kick open a new window *or* a new tab. So; have
three open Windows with different Google searches in each, and kick
open each search's links as tabs in the same window.

This is a sensible way to work.

Thanks for the FireFox version heads-up, and links to that and new
Mozilla. I haven't looked in that direction since Netscape 7.02, and
will now be doing so. As it is, my standard practice is IE 6 SP1,
Netscape 7.02 and the pre-AOL Netscape 4.8 (which I run with
Java/JavaScript suppressed as a safer tyre-kicker).



-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -
Tip Of The Day:
To disable the 'Tip of the Day' feature...
-------------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - - -

Another important advantage Firefox has, is that since it's a separate and
recognized entity, there are plugins/add-ons like StumbleUpon and the like,
separately downloadable for it - Something like Crazy browser that piggy
backs on the IE engine, fails to accept such Add-ons. Firefox also has more
potential as an 'exciting' product for enthusiasts - With a wide variety of
nifty extensions and skins available directly for download from the Mozilla
site. The problem with the download manager is that it can't resume once
firefox is closed completely.

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Replace the obvious with "hotmail"

"Tim Slattery" wrote in message
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"CZ" wrote:

The tabs omission is gonna cost MS dearly, you'll see.

The tabs are nice, but they are among the least of what Firefox
offers: built-in pop-up blocking, cookie control, download manager,
DOM inspector. Support for multiple stylesheets also exists, and
Firefox handles some (standard) HTML syntax that IE does not.

--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(DTS)

Hi CZ,
Ultimately it comes down to what your personal preference and objectives
are. Security really isn't an issue on my system, and since it's a home PC
with a dynamic IP, I don't worry too much about it. I choose software for
their utility value, and I don't deny that fact that Mozilla would soon be
equally susceptible to security hacks. That's bound to happen as any
software gains popularity.

What I'm saying is that Firefox, *as a browser*, is a superior product
compared to IE6. As far as Pop-upCop goes, I tried it and didn't
particularly like it - It's way too intrusive for my liking. What I use is
Ad Muncher. I don't like ads, pop-ups and background images - The rest
enhances the browsing experience so I leave it as it is.

--
Replace the obvious with "hotmail"

"CZ" wrote in message
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The case for firefox is much more than just security. Do you realize
that
we've been using shoddy old technology in our browsers ever since XP came
out? That was 2001 and there don't even seem to be differences in the
rendering engine of IE6 in Windows 98, so it actually goes way back. The
way firefox behaves makes even a slow connection seem sprightly. Even
when
I used to use IE, it was through Crazybrowser. The tabs omission is gonna
cost MS dearly, you'll see.

DILIP:

The age of the code does not interest me, usability and security do. IMO,
XP with SP2 RC2 + MSIE + PopUpCop is excellent.

security

1) Results: from testing browsers via
http://www.mccanless.us/mozilla/mozilla_bugs.htm

XP Pro SP1 with MSIE: fails
XP Pro SP2 RC2 with Firefox v .0.9.1: fails

XP Pro SP2 RC2 with MSIE: passes
XP Pro SP2 RC2 with Firefox v0.9.2: passes

So, be careful which version of Firefox you use (or wait for SP2).

2) Mozilla products also have holes:
From:
http://news.com.com/Security+hole+fo...3-5262676.html
Security hole found in Mozilla browser
Last modified: July 8, 2004, 9:40 PM PDT

Developers at the open-source Mozilla Foundation have confirmed that the
latest version of their Web browsers have a security flaw that could allow
attackers to run existing programs on the Windows XP operating system.

3) Firefox allows active content that the combination of MSIE + PopUpCop
blocks.
Allowing active content as a default can be dangerous.

My recommendation to my clients is to wait for SP2 and to use PopUpCop.
http://www.popupcop.com

BTW: what PopUpCop controls (perhaps MS should buy PopUpCop?)
Popups
Scripts
Images
Image animation
Background sounds
Flash movies
ActiveX controls
Text marquees
Java applets
Script timers
Script mouse ticks
Useless warning dialogs
Cookie settings
Meta refresh
Resize
Eyelets

"DILIP" wrote in message
I think the biggest loser in this battle is Opera. They charge for the
features firefox has, or can add-in with extensions, for free (including
mouse gestures). And version 7.5 seems to have taken a few cues from
firefox as well, it seems less claustrophobic now, if you know what I
mean.
:-)

--
I recently tried Opera again and still didn't like it. When I went to
uninstall, Spybot kept coming up with UNWISE.EXE was trying to install eZula
HotText. When I wouldn't allow it, UNWISE.EXE disappeared and I had to
reinstall Opera. Much difficulty but finally got rid of it. Never again.
Sticking to Firefox.
Al

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:43:05 -0500, Al wrote:


"DILIP" wrote in message
I think the biggest loser in this battle is Opera. They charge for the
features firefox has, or can add-in with extensions, for free (including
mouse gestures). And version 7.5 seems to have taken a few cues from
firefox as well, it seems less claustrophobic now, if you know what I
mean.
:-)

--
I recently tried Opera again and still didn't like it. When I went to
uninstall, Spybot kept coming up with UNWISE.EXE was trying to install
eZula
HotText. When I wouldn't allow it, UNWISE.EXE disappeared and I had to
reinstall Opera. Much difficulty but finally got rid of it. Never
again.
Sticking to Firefox.
Al




I've tried the latest version of Firefox, still find it too "clunky" for
my liking. Going to stick with my default browser of the past three years,
Opera. Nice, smooth interface. I have uninstalled older versions of Opera
when I'm ready to update, and have NEVER had Spybot alert me of anything.
You myst have some other spyware somewhere accessing UNWISE.EXE when it
starts. Opera does not have spyware.
--
Albert Sims
West Monroe,Louisiana

"DILIP" wrote in message

Have they fixed the bookmark sorting (a-z folders first)? does it work
now?
I hate browsers that cant do basic things like that...

No, they haven't added that feature yet. But I presume all these things
will be fixed by the time Firefox 1.0 is out.

Hey, DILIP, you are the only one answering my question here! Bravo!
Honestly, I thought like this since even with Mozilla it took them AGES to
get this very basic "feature" done. Somehow like inventing the car but still
featuring the square wheels (only).
However, the development of the all new hexagon wheel looks promising..

:-)

Steve