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Disk Partitioning
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 03:31:09 +0200, Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:43:39 -0500, Bob I wrote: When bigger drives became available I got a 40 Gig one, and partioned it into D, E, F, and G drives -- back then it was Fat 32, and making it all one partition would have wasted a bit of space because it would have required a bigger cluster size. My plan was to use D to back up C, E for programs, F for games (I didn't want the kids installing them in my working disk space) and G for data. I've never agreed with the cluster size argument. You can't fill a partition to the very tippy top so you finish up having to try to balance where you put stuff. Some programs like compression programs require free space. Anyway, cluster size argument no longer applies and even it did, hd's are so huge and inexpensive who would care. There is an excellent reason to confine the system and installed program files on one drive and all data on a second drive. Extra partitions may be needed for alternate systems or other special purposes, like huge photo, music or video collections. The advantage to doing so is for backup management. I don't bother. I use macrium to image the c drive and file backup for the data partition. I point My Documents to the D drive. With windows 7 it may be possible to point the user directory to the D drive but I've never tried it and some of the folder deny access. Linux with it's home directory is so much better in this respect. |
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Disk Partitioning
John wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 00:38:18 +0100, John wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:56:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 20:34:39 +0100, choro wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message You might want to read this article I've written: http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326 Nice sensible advice. Thx! Everybody should tick to go to your article and read it carefully. Personally I put backups on a 2nd internal HD. But just to be on the safe side I also copy them to an external HD. With HDs so cheap these days, I see no reason to try and economize on HDs. +1 fully earned. Thanks for the kind words. I agree with Clorox. Bloddy, stupid, damned, irritating *SPELLCHECKERS* and the utter *idiots* who don't see them changing things behind our backs! (Me, I mean.) Sorry, choro, *I* typed your 'nym correctly, I just missed the damned spellchecker helpfully "correcting" it for me. No offense intended. J. Turn off auto-spellchecking. I never use it. Use your brain instead. Works better . . . with practice. Well, with some it will take a lot of practice. ;-) And does anyone "proof" there posts and replies anymore? Stef |
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XXCOPY (Was Disk Partitioning)
choro on Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:21:15 +0100 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following: But maybe I should give *Robocopy* a try. If it's got a learning curve, so be it, if it is worth the effort. You are the second person recommending this program. It is worth it. It does have a learning curve, but what doesn't? (It is a Microsoft Program, well, available from Microsoft.) Use the /Learn option a lot when starting./testing. I keep a shortcut to the documentation on the desktop. And I have built some rather (if I say so my self) impressive batch files to sync files between computers via thumb drives. the command line for one transfer is : robocopy . R: *.* /xf thumbs.db desktop.ini /XO /S /NP /Tee /Log+:%DrvBB%:\%Hack%TB-bb.rtf /xd All_cod backup temp /purge /xx /W:1 /R:2 loosely translated: copy "from here" to R: /eXcludeFile Thumbs.db desktop.ini /XO - copy only the new or newer files /Subdirectories /NoProcess report (don't show the % of the file copied) /Tee - two output streams, one to StdOut, the other to /logfile "%DrvBB%:\%TimeHack%TB-bb.rtf" /eXcludeDirectories /Purge - remove all files on target not on original /xx eXclude eXtra file report /Wait:1 second if fail /Repeat two times. There are many other options. I also, for my own "sanity"(Bwahahahahahahaha) use Subst a lot, making the source drive & path Q: (for Quelle - "source" in German) and R: the path to where it is going. (from Q to R and then S ...) Which makes, for me, reading the programs easier. Same with putting the thumb drive's drive letter into DrvBB and a cleaned up timestamp into TimeHack. My report files title have the form 0916_0845TB-bb.rtf, which makes sorting them "easier". I like it, because it lets me just copy the changed files, and the ones "not there." Ideal for backups. tschus pyotr -- pyotr Filipivich "Bother," said Pooh, "Eeyore, ready two photon torpedoes and lock phasers on the Heffalump. Piglet, meet me in transporter room three. Christopher Robin, you have the bridge." |
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Disk Partitioning
On 16/09/2013 16:31, John wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 00:38:18 +0100, John wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:56:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 20:34:39 +0100, choro wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message You might want to read this article I've written: http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326 Nice sensible advice. Thx! Everybody should tick to go to your article and read it carefully. Personally I put backups on a 2nd internal HD. But just to be on the safe side I also copy them to an external HD. With HDs so cheap these days, I see no reason to try and economize on HDs. +1 fully earned. Thanks for the kind words. I agree with Clorox. Bloddy, stupid, damned, irritating *SPELLCHECKERS* and the utter *idiots* who don't see them changing things behind our backs! (Me, I mean.) Sorry, choro, *I* typed your 'nym correctly, I just missed the damned spellchecker helpfully "correcting" it for me. No offense intended. J. No offense taken. Reminded me a bit of DOMESTOS which kills all known germs! Or is it 99 % of all known germs? Had to look up Clorox as I was not aware of the product/brand! -- choro ***** |
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Disk Partitioning
And does anyone "proof" there posts and replies anymore? Stef Apparently no. |
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Disk Partitioning
Hi, Bob.
You can "name" any folder as a drive letter. Yes, you can. Just be sure you don't use a Label to rename a Drive (partition) as a drive letter. That usually is a very confusing thing to do! As Paladin said, "You can name your foot a hand", too, but that serves no real purpose that he (or I) can see. But it reminds me of the famous Abraham Lincoln story: Abe: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? Answer: Five. Abe: No, four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one. And calling Drive C:, "Drive F:" just invites confusion! A recent conversation in another newsgroup concerned a user who was trying to reorganize her partitions simply by Naming them D:, E:, etc., by using Labels. She wound up with things like: D:\Drive F: or D:\F: But naming a FOLDER as a drive letter can sometimes be a useful tool - or so I've heard. I haven't done it myself. I can see it coming very handy to refer to a folder with a very long pathname. But the SUBST command might be a better way to handle that job by creating a "virtual drive"; type "subst /?" in a Command Prompt window to see the usage. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010) Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro "Bob I" wrote in message ... On 9/15/2013 3:45 PM, Paladin wrote: On 2013-09-15, Juan Wei wrote: has written on 9/15/2013 12:17 PM: I'm, by some quirk (anal retentive, obsessive compulsive, other ???) of my mentality, an organizational freak. I, by nature, want things well structured and organized logically. So, in XP-Pro I have the hard drive partitioned into multiple partitions _- Office Apps, Internet Apps, Accessories, Utilities, etc. Why not just use a directory structure? What do you gain by all those partitions? Alphabet soup. Some people get off on a P:/ drive. You can "name" any folder as a drive letter. Simply r-click it, select Properties, Sharing, Share, Select Everyone from the pull down and set R/W. Then in the Tools menu in Windows Explorer, select "Map network drive" to give the letter of choice to the shared folder. |
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XXcopy
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 12:35:23 +0200, Steve Hayes
wrote: I don't seem to have it on my XP system, is it only in Win 7? XXCopy is not a Microsoft program and doesn't come with any version of Windows. |
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Disk Partitioning
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 00:38:18 +0100, John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:56:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 20:34:39 +0100, choro wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message You might want to read this article I've written: http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326 Nice sensible advice. Thx! Everybody should tick to go to your article and read it carefully. Personally I put backups on a 2nd internal HD. But just to be on the safe side I also copy them to an external HD. With HDs so cheap these days, I see no reason to try and economize on HDs. +1 fully earned. Thanks for the kind words. I agree with Clorox. That is a very well written article that treats a very difficult subject gently. Excellent job, Mr. Blake. No formality is necessary; just "Ken" is fine. And thank you for the kind words, too. Ken |
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Hi, Choro.
Had to look up Clorox as I was not aware of the product/brand! Yes, in the USA, Clorox is almost as well-known as Coca-Cola. I thought it was known worldwide - like Coke. They've expanded the brand name to other products in recent years, but it has always meant a leading brand of laundry bleach, also often used as a disinfectant. Now, your turn to educate me: What is DOMESTOS? No, wait. I'll ask Wikipedia...? ;} Aha! Nearly the same stuff, ain't it? And Chloros? Sounds like Clorox, doesn't it? More evidence that we are "divided by a common language"! ;) RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010) Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro "choro" wrote in message ... On 16/09/2013 16:31, John wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 00:38:18 +0100, John wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:56:06 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 20:34:39 +0100, choro wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message You might want to read this article I've written: http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326 Nice sensible advice. Thx! Everybody should tick to go to your article and read it carefully. Personally I put backups on a 2nd internal HD. But just to be on the safe side I also copy them to an external HD. With HDs so cheap these days, I see no reason to try and economize on HDs. +1 fully earned. Thanks for the kind words. I agree with Clorox. Bloddy, stupid, damned, irritating *SPELLCHECKERS* and the utter *idiots* who don't see them changing things behind our backs! (Me, I mean.) Sorry, choro, *I* typed your 'nym correctly, I just missed the damned spellchecker helpfully "correcting" it for me. No offense intended. J. No offense taken. Reminded me a bit of DOMESTOS which kills all known germs! Or is it 99 % of all known germs? Had to look up Clorox as I was not aware of the product/brand! -- choro ***** |
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Disk Partitioning
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 03:04:10 +0100, choro wrote:
Now if only they used the Chinese character set instead of the English alphabet! I gather there are 20,000 characters in the Chinese alphabet. The number isn't clear, but it's considerably more than 20,000. Probably somewhere in the 40,000 - 80,000 range. And note that this isn't an alphabet. Those characters aren't letters; they are actually much more like words. |
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Disk Partitioning
choro has written on 9/15/2013 3:34 PM:
On 15/09/2013 19:28, wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:17:38 -0500, wrote: I'm, by some quirk (anal retentive, obsessive compulsive, other ???) of my mentality, an organizational freak. I, by nature, want things well structured and organized logically. Yes, separating different kinds of files on partitions is an organizational technique, but so is separating different kinds of files into folders. The difference is that partitions are static and fixed in size, while folders are dynamic, changing size automatically as necessary to meet your changing needs. That generally makes folders a much better way to organize, in my view. So, in XP-Pro I have the hard drive partitioned into multiple partitions _- Office Apps, Internet Apps, Accessories, Utilities, etc. In my opinion, that's *way* overpartitioned. Please don't misinterpret here, I don't mean to be argumentative at all, but if one is partitioning what becomes "too much" ?? I've been told that this "slows" the machine down -- but I don't do anything (except 1 or 2 CPU-intensive math things I've programmed) where the slow-down , if it exists, is noticeable. With modern computers, the slowdown is very slight if it exists at all. You might want to read this article I've written: http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326 Nice sensible advice. Thx! The only problem with imaging a single partition HD is the size of the image. Don't you run out of space on the destination drive pretty quickly? (I've inferred that imaging copies the entire partition rather than just the blocks that are in use.) |
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Disk Partitioning
Juan Wei wrote:
choro has written on 9/15/2013 3:34 PM: On 15/09/2013 19:28, wrote: "Ken Blake" wrote in message ... On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 11:17:38 -0500, wrote: I'm, by some quirk (anal retentive, obsessive compulsive, other ???) of my mentality, an organizational freak. I, by nature, want things well structured and organized logically. Yes, separating different kinds of files on partitions is an organizational technique, but so is separating different kinds of files into folders. The difference is that partitions are static and fixed in size, while folders are dynamic, changing size automatically as necessary to meet your changing needs. That generally makes folders a much better way to organize, in my view. So, in XP-Pro I have the hard drive partitioned into multiple partitions _- Office Apps, Internet Apps, Accessories, Utilities, etc. In my opinion, that's *way* overpartitioned. Please don't misinterpret here, I don't mean to be argumentative at all, but if one is partitioning what becomes "too much" ?? I've been told that this "slows" the machine down -- but I don't do anything (except 1 or 2 CPU-intensive math things I've programmed) where the slow-down , if it exists, is noticeable. With modern computers, the slowdown is very slight if it exists at all. You might want to read this article I've written: http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=326 Nice sensible advice. Thx! The only problem with imaging a single partition HD is the size of the image. Don't you run out of space on the destination drive pretty quickly? (I've inferred that imaging copies the entire partition rather than just the blocks that are in use.) No; just the used parts. Ed |
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Disk Partitioning
On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 02:50:44 +0100, choro wrote:
On 16/09/2013 00:41, Gene E. Bloch wrote: AllWay Sync I will look into this AllWaySync and see if it will serve me better than XXcopy. I've commented on XXcopy, its ease of use and speed of action, to say nothing of its tailorability, once you have written the simple DOS commands. But anything is worth trying once. Who knows, I might discard XXcopy! This would be like going into a new relationship while having a long standing steady relationship with all the dangers that it entails. The nice thing abut the sync programs (there are others besides the two mentioned) is that you just call up the program, click on analyze or whatever, and changed files get moved (or deleted, if appropriate). You can sync one way or both ways and you can exclude folders from syncing. Of course, all the customizing features lead to maybe too much time spent customizing :-) -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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