Maybe a little OT, scanner for Windows 7

On 2014-03-15, philoÂ* wrote:
On 03/15/2014 02:47 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 3/15/2014, Art Todesco posted:
I have an old Microtek 6000 scanner and have always hated it ... I
guess, mostly the software. It is slow, but the lamp warming makes it
almost unbearable. It warms the lamp, even when it hasn't shut off
the lamp ... totally goofy. Anyway, I just bought an Epson Perfection
V37 and really like the speed. And, no warming, as it uses LEDs. But
it doesn't seem to do one thing that the old Microtek did. On the
Microtek, it would do a rough pre-scan and allow you to box all of a
section of the rough on screen pic. Then you would only scan that
much. Great for cutting and pasting. I use it quite a bit for
musical score where there is too many staffs of notes; so I can paste
together only what I need to play from. The Epson doesn't appear to
allow this or as least, I haven't found a way, either by hacking or
reading the manual. Sure, I could scan the whole thing and then, in
another program, do the cutting. But, it was very convenient on the
Microtek. So, I think Epson is going back. Anyone know of a scanner
that will allow cropping before the scan?

If philo's advice doesn't clarify it, just download the free IrfanView.
It has that capability (unless the TWAIN or WIA drivers don't, which
seem totally unlikely).

irfanview.com




Great idea. I've using IrfanView for many years . It's free but I liked
it so much I gave Irfan a modest contribution.


I've *been* using, for those who read and type English,
philo isn't one of those types.
I have been using would be nice.
And, My wife is dog ugly, let me type on ng's twenty-four seven would also work.


--
"You got carried away.
The game was too elaborate.
You were enjoying yourself too much"

On 3/15/2014, Paladin posted:
Great idea. I've using IrfanView for many years . It's free but I
liked
it so much I gave Irfan a modest contribution.


I've *been* using, for those who read and type English,
philo isn't one of those types.
I have been using would be nice.
And, My wife is dog ugly, let me type on ng's twenty-four seven would
also work.

Perhaps you need a hobby, Paladin.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 2014-03-15, Gene E Bloch wrote:
On 3/15/2014, Paladin posted:
Great idea. I've using IrfanView for many years . It's free but I
liked
it so much I gave Irfan a modest contribution.


I've *been* using, for those who read and type English,
philo isn't one of those types.
I have been using would be nice.
And, My wife is dog ugly, let me type on ng's twenty-four seven would
also work.

Perhaps you need a hobby, Paladin.


Being truthful is not a hobby?
I will find one, since you say I should.
I hear making OSes that get hacked twenty-four seven is a hobby.
I will take a stab at that.
Thank you, as you are sometimes correct.

philo ran his mouth to me, so mind your own business, maybe.
And, since philo put pics of his wife in a.o.l.u. , I can honestly
say she is ugly.
Her artwork is worse.


--
"You got carried away.
The game was too elaborate.
You were enjoying yourself too much"

On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:27:16 -0400 "Art Todesco"
wrote in article

Anyone know of a scanner that will allow cropping
before the scan?

When I upgraded to Win 7, I found there was no driver from Epson for my
2450 scanner which I love. But the Epson website itself recommended
trying VueScan (http://www.hamrick.com/) and it's superb. Not free, but
not expensive. It allows "cropping" the scanned area easily.

On 3/15/2014 5:36 PM, Jason wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:27:16 -0400 "Art Todesco"
wrote in article

Anyone know of a scanner that will allow cropping
before the scan?

When I upgraded to Win 7, I found there was no driver from Epson for my
2450 scanner which I love. But the Epson website itself recommended
trying VueScan (http://www.hamrick.com/) and it's superb. Not free, but
not expensive. It allows "cropping" the scanned area easily.


With everyone's help, I did find the 'cropping' thingy. BTW, I think I
had an Epson before, but it was hit by lightning and was toast.
Thanks everyone.

Art Todesco wrote:
On 3/15/2014 9:52 AM, G. Ross wrote:
Art Todesco wrote:
I have an old Microtek 6000 scanner and have always hated it ... I
guess, mostly the software. It is slow, but the lamp warming makes it
almost unbearable. It warms the lamp, even when it hasn't shut off the
lamp ... totally goofy. Anyway, I just bought an Epson Perfection V37
and really like the speed. And, no warming, as it uses LEDs. But it
doesn't seem to do one thing that the old Microtek did. On the
Microtek, it would do a rough pre-scan and allow you to box all of a
section of the rough on screen pic. Then you would only scan that much.
Great for cutting and pasting. I use it quite a bit for musical score
where there is too many staffs of notes; so I can paste together only
what I need to play from. The Epson doesn't appear to allow this or as
least, I haven't found a way, either by hacking or reading the manual.
Sure, I could scan the whole thing and then, in another program, do the
cutting. But, it was very convenient on the Microtek. So, I think
Epson is going back. Anyone know of a scanner that will allow cropping
before the scan?

My Epson will do a preview scan. It is a low quality scan but will
allow you to outline what you want to scan. Are you sure you don't have
the preview scan turned off in your preferences or setup?

I haven't found it yet. BTW, what model do you have?

Epson Perfection 3490 Photo

It has three "Modes". Automatic, Home User, Professional. The
automatic mode does not show a preview but the other two do. Mine is
4 or 5 years old but works well. I have scanned a lot of photos and
regular documents.

--
 GW Ross 

 What the caterpillar calls 'End of 
 the World', God calls a butterfly. 

In message , Keith Nuttle
writes:
[]
There is a maximum pixel per inch that the scanner is capable. Whether
you scan the full document or a 2"square of the document, the best you
can scan hat 2 inch square is that maximum resolution.

I doubt if it takes any more time to make a draft scan and then a good
scan. I make one scan at maximum resolution, and acquire the scanned
image into an image Processor like Irfanview. Then cut what I want and
use it as needed.

It may not take _more_ time, but a draft scan may take _less_ time,
especially with older scanners (of course it's the software that's
controlling everything). Some scanners go a lot faster when only
scanning at draft resolution.

My brother can not understand this. I scanned several hundred family
pictures in batches and gave him a CD with the batch images. He still
wants me to go back and scan them individually, as he thinks the
pictures well be better.

He's probably used to a scanner that did preview at low res., and hasn't
grasped that your batches were done at full resolution (assuming they
were).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

As we journey through life, discarding baggage along the way, we should keep
an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the
soul from desiccation. - Humphrey Lyttelton quoted by Barry Cryer in Radio
Times 10-16 November 2012

On 3/15/2014 3:47 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On 3/15/2014, Art Todesco posted:
I have an old Microtek 6000 scanner and have always hated it ... I
guess, mostly the software. It is slow, but the lamp warming makes it
almost unbearable. It warms the lamp, even when it hasn't shut off
the lamp ... totally goofy. Anyway, I just bought an Epson Perfection
V37 and really like the speed. And, no warming, as it uses LEDs. But
it doesn't seem to do one thing that the old Microtek did. On the
Microtek, it would do a rough pre-scan and allow you to box all of a
section of the rough on screen pic. Then you would only scan that
much. Great for cutting and pasting. I use it quite a bit for
musical score where there is too many staffs of notes; so I can paste
together only what I need to play from. The Epson doesn't appear to
allow this or as least, I haven't found a way, either by hacking or
reading the manual. Sure, I could scan the whole thing and then, in
another program, do the cutting. But, it was very convenient on the
Microtek. So, I think Epson is going back. Anyone know of a scanner
that will allow cropping before the scan?

If philo's advice doesn't clarify it, just download the free IrfanView.
It has that capability (unless the TWAIN or WIA drivers don't, which
seem totally unlikely).

irfanview.com


I can recommend Irfanview. I bought an HP Scanjet 3300se twain
compatible scanner, for my Windows ME computer, About a year later
Windows XP came. HP did not support their product and provide software
that ran on Windows XP. There was a generic twain driver that worked
with XP and the HP Scanjet 3300se

I had been using Irfanview as an image processing program, and decided
to try to use it to acquire scans from the HP scanner. That temporary
solution was put in place over 10 years ago.

Irfanview does every thing I need for the images and the document I
scan. It can collect multiple images in one file and save them in
several formats including TIF and PDF. JPG for single pages images.

It has the images editing functions to add the source information to to
the images before saving them.

It can rotate scanned images to correct problems that develop when
scanning and can correct the color problems. You can even use if for OCR
with the plug in.

If I could find twain driver that would recognize the HP 3300se Scan
jet, I would continue to use Irfanview to acquire scans on my Windows
8.1 64bit machine. Unfortunately HP is still not supporting their products.

In message ,
Jason writes:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:27:16 -0400 "Art Todesco"
wrote in article

Anyone know of a scanner that will allow cropping
before the scan?

When I upgraded to Win 7, I found there was no driver from Epson for my
2450 scanner which I love. But the Epson website itself recommended
trying VueScan (http://www.hamrick.com/) and it's superb. Not free, but
not expensive. It allows "cropping" the scanned area easily.

Similarly for a BENQ scanner. However, VueScan may not be expensive, but
for the same price we were able to get a scanner that _is_ supported
under 7 (an hp IIRR; looked like the company was going to remain in the
scanner market, which BENQ had left).

I've nothing against VueScan's designers - good on them for providing
such a product!; I'm just rather cross that whatever has been done has
been done: since VueScan can make the older scanners work under 7,
there's some lazy programming gone on here.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I don't see the requirement to upset people. ... There's enough to make fun of
without offending. - Ronnie Corbett, in Radio Times 6-12 August 2011.

On 3/15/2014 7:27 AM, Art Todesco wrote:
I have an old Microtek 6000 scanner and have always hated it ... I
guess, mostly the software. It is slow, but the lamp warming makes it
almost unbearable. It warms the lamp, even when it hasn't shut off the
lamp ... totally goofy. Anyway, I just bought an Epson Perfection V37
and really like the speed. And, no warming, as it uses LEDs. But it
doesn't seem to do one thing that the old Microtek did. On the
Microtek, it would do a rough pre-scan and allow you to box all of a
section of the rough on screen pic. Then you would only scan that much.
Great for cutting and pasting. I use it quite a bit for musical score
where there is too many staffs of notes; so I can paste together only
what I need to play from. The Epson doesn't appear to allow this or as
least, I haven't found a way, either by hacking or reading the manual.
Sure, I could scan the whole thing and then, in another program, do the
cutting. But, it was very convenient on the Microtek. So, I think
Epson is going back. Anyone know of a scanner that will allow cropping
before the scan?


Are you using the Silverfast software that comes with Epson scanners?

On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 10:16:33 +0000 "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote in article nEWZ8yJBoXJTFwK6
@soft255.demon.co.uk

In message ,
Jason writes:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:27:16 -0400 "Art Todesco"
wrote in article

Anyone know of a scanner that will allow cropping
before the scan?

When I upgraded to Win 7, I found there was no driver from Epson for my
2450 scanner which I love. But the Epson website itself recommended
trying VueScan (http://www.hamrick.com/) and it's superb. Not free, but
not expensive. It allows "cropping" the scanned area easily.

Similarly for a BENQ scanner. However, VueScan may not be expensive, but
for the same price we were able to get a scanner that _is_ supported
under 7 (an hp IIRR; looked like the company was going to remain in the
scanner market, which BENQ had left).

I've nothing against VueScan's designers - good on them for providing
such a product!; I'm just rather cross that whatever has been done has
been done: since VueScan can make the older scanners work under 7,
there's some lazy programming gone on here.

Yup!

On 03/16/2014 06:14 PM, Jason wrote:


I've nothing against VueScan's designers - good on them for providing
such a product!; I'm just rather cross that whatever has been done has
been done: since VueScan can make the older scanners work under 7,
there's some lazy programming gone on here.

Yup!




I don't think it's necessarily laziness...I see it more as trying to get
people to keep buying new equipment.


BTW: Once the files are extracted from a self-extracting executable
setup program...very often the drivers from an older OS will work with a
newer OS.

The problem is that there may be no such drivers available for anything
other than 32bit operating systems.

On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 19:14:25 -0400 "Jason" wrote
in article

On Sun, 16 Mar 2014 10:16:33 +0000 "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote in article nEWZ8yJBoXJTFwK6
@soft255.demon.co.uk

In message ,
Jason writes:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:27:16 -0400 "Art Todesco"
wrote in article

Anyone know of a scanner that will allow cropping
before the scan?

When I upgraded to Win 7, I found there was no driver from Epson for my
2450 scanner which I love. But the Epson website itself recommended
trying VueScan (http://www.hamrick.com/) and it's superb. Not free, but
not expensive. It allows "cropping" the scanned area easily.

Similarly for a BENQ scanner. However, VueScan may not be expensive, but
for the same price we were able to get a scanner that _is_ supported
under 7 (an hp IIRR; looked like the company was going to remain in the
scanner market, which BENQ had left).

I've nothing against VueScan's designers - good on them for providing
such a product!; I'm just rather cross that whatever has been done has
been done: since VueScan can make the older scanners work under 7,
there's some lazy programming gone on here.

Yup!

I agree that the UI is a little weird. It gets easier with some
experience. (I think VueScan is the work of a single individual.)
and fie on Epson for not releasing a Twain driver for Win 7; I don't know
how VueScan manages to talk to the scanner, but I'm curious. Whatever, it
works fine - I'm especially pleased with the color calibration - much
better than Epson's earlier drivers - there's a mode where you scan a
Kodak Q-60 target and henceforth all's well!