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Intel 6th Gen Skylake Processors and Win10
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...on-innovation/
qp •Windows 7 will continue to be supported for security, reliability, and compatibility through January 14, 2020 on previous generation silicon. Windows 8.1 will receive the same support through January 10, 2023. This includes most of the devices available for purchase today by consumers or enterprises. •Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support. This enables us to focus on deep integration between Windows and the silicon, while maintaining maximum reliability and compatibility with previous generations of platform and silicon. For example, Windows 10 will be the only supported Windows platform on Intel’s upcoming “Kaby Lake” silicon, Qualcomm’s upcoming “8996” silicon, and AMD’s upcoming “Bristol Ridge” silicon. •Through July 17, 2017, Skylake devices on the supported list will also be supported with Windows 7 and 8.1. During the 18-month support period, these systems should be upgraded to Windows 10 to continue receiving support after the period ends. After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices. /qp Also see: http://arstechnica.com/information-t...to-windows-10/ qp If you own a system with an Intel 6th generation Core processor—more memorably known as Skylake—and run Windows 7 or Windows 8.1, you'll have to think about upgrading to Windows 10 within the next 18 months. Microsoft announced today that after July 17, 2017, only the "most critical" security fixes will be released for those platforms and those fixes will only be made available if they don't "risk the reliability or compatibility" of Windows 7 and 8.1 on other (non-Skylake) systems. The full range of compatibility and security fixes will be published for non-Skylake machines for Windows 7 until January 14 2020, and for Windows 8.1 until January 10 2023. /qp -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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Intel 6th Gen Skylake Processors and Win10
In message , . . .winston
writes After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices. Which appears to be saying that the most critical security updates for Windows 7 may not be released after that date. I have to say that at the moment, I am just annoyed by the whole situation. I have decided that here, for the main audio work I will stick with Windows 7 and, where necessary, XP. If things start to get too critical, the Plan B looks like a move to a Mac system at huge expense. The Linux backup servers can stay as they are. For me that's fine, but what about the small businesses I look after? Typically a room full of mature and lovely non-technical ladies using a small 5 to 10 machine W7 network to manage customers, resources and finance as well as developing strategy etc. They certainly won't want Windows 10 with its potential re-boot to a new build on every machine, and I can't see the owners being happy with telemetry sending their business data across the world. I'm at the moment trying to work up enthusiasm to ring a friend who is waiting for help with his W10 machine that has suddenly lost half its functionality. I dread having to guide him over the phone through a repair install, but think it may be necessary. I think the real problem is that the free W10 update he did some months back from Windows 8.1 may have been faulty but not in an obvious way. Another friend has just built a new desktop to run W7 with a Skylake processor on a Gigabyte mainboard. He can't get the on-board graphics drivers to work even though it works with the MS video drivers. Technology is getting increasingly depressing. My main complaint remains that Microsoft have not understood that their main selling point to individuals and small businesses was the flexibility and driver support that Windows has. If only some Linux developers could grasp this and build on it. -- Bill |
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Intel 6th Gen Skylake Processors and Win10
On 1/17/2016 7:25 AM, Bill wrote:
[...] My main complaint remains that Microsoft have not understood that their main selling point to individuals and small businesses was the flexibility and driver support that Windows has. If only some Linux developers could grasp this and build on it. The problem is that there is no financial incentive to develop drivers for free. Nor is there any financial incentive for hardware manufacturers to develop drivers for the moving target(s) that Linux has always been. It's not like there is one "Linux" and that all things developed for it will be reliable. Microsoft's strength had been the stable, open platform that provided a basis for specialized hardware and software development. They seem to have lost that vision and threatened the viability of businesses of any size that depended on their OS for stable and financially manageable operations. Good luck with that. -- Best regards, Neil |
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Intel 6th Gen Skylake Processors and Win10
Bill wrote on 01/17/2016 7:25 AM:
In message , . . .winston writes After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices. Which appears to be saying that the most critical security updates for Windows 7 may not be released after that date. It doesn't appear to state that at all. It's much more narrow. After July 2017 only critical and security updates for Skylake configurations will be released(for Skylake devices) if the update doesn't risk/raise issues with supported Win7/8.1 devices. Thus Skylake devices need to go to Win10 to continue support since an update may not be released(for Skylake devices) if it jeopardizes reliability and compatibility on 7/8.1 devices (i.e. 7/8.1/10 devices get the update but not Skylake on 7/8.1) Win7 silicon is supported through its EOL in Jan. 2020, 8.1 through Jan. 2023. New silicon is only supported with Win10. The take-away and probably more important than the above(which I mentioned in a post last July prior to Win10's release which some here and in online forums seemed to disagree with or take exception to) is the interpretation of Win10's support for the life of a device. - Repeating it again - it does not mean in perpetuity for the life of the o/s on all devices(via free upgrade, OEM pre-built, or user built or System Builder built with full version media)but only as long as the ***device** is supported. One person stated "The upgrade is "FREE" and continues as such for the life of the OS" - That was incorrect then, and remains so now. Support is per device, not the o/s. Unless MSFT changes directions - Win7 support until 2020, 8.1 until 2023, and Win10 until 2025 under the constraints noted below(re-quoted from my July 2015 post). Support parameters are defined in the Windows 10 Lifecyle FAQ cf. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle qp Windows 10, released in July 2015 ** ** Updates are cumulative, with each update built upon all of the updates that preceded it. A device needs to install the latest update to remain supported. Updates may include new features, fixes (security and/or non-security), or a combination of both. Not all features in an update will work on all devices. A device may not be able to receive updates if the device hardware is incompatible, lacking current drivers, or otherwise outside of the Original Equipment Manufacturer’s (“OEM”) support period. Update availability may vary, for example by country, region, network connectivity, mobile operator (e.g., for cellular-capable devices), or hardware capabilities (including, e.g., free disk space). /qp Should Skylake folks be upset - imo, yes at least three obvious reasons. 1. Especially those using Skylake on 7 or 8.1 without a desire to upgrade to 10. For other silicon on 7/8.1 - no change, for other silicon on Win10 - no change, for new silicon - only Win10. 2. New silicon pre-empts the ability to use Win7 or 8.1 (but in some cases that shouldn't be too much of a surprise - Retail and OEM sales of Win7 Pro(the only remaining Win7 o/s still available based on 'End of Sales' dates) ceased for retail in Oct 2013 and for continues for pre-built until Oct. 2016(~9 more months). Personal building Win7 doesn't necessarily apply per licensing - Win7 System Builder for Personal Use doesn't exist but that does not mean building your own Win7 is not technically feasible - it does mean choose the right hardware while you can! 3. Microsoft failed to a certain extent and should have been more transparent(on what I stated in July 2015) publicly on what 'life of the device' meant. My main complaint remains that Microsoft have not understood that their main selling point to individuals and small businesses was the flexibility and driver support that Windows has. If only some Linux developers could grasp this and build on it. That's always been a strong point, though at this stage the ecosystem has radically changed. The ability to support too much and in perpetuity is no longer achievable(hardware manufacturers, software, and o/s resource, expense, and accrual cost). I read recently a complaint about Laserjet 4100 not working on Win10. Yes, if it worked on Win7 one might expect it to work on 10. Realistically, the Laserjet 4100 was 9 years old when Win7 was released. Expecting 15 yrs of support for a device might be a stretch(even XP didn't last that long g) -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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Intel 6th Gen Skylake Processors and Win10
"winston" wrote:
Bill wrote: winston writes After July 2017, the most critical Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 security updates will be addressed for these configurations, and will be released if the update does not risk the reliability or compatibility of the Windows 7/8.1 platform on other devices. Which appears to be saying that the most critical security updates for Windows 7 may not be released after that date. It doesn't appear to state that at all. It's much more narrow. After July 2017 only critical and security updates for Skylake configurations will be released(for Skylake devices) if the update doesn't risk/raise issues with supported Win7/8.1 devices. Thus Skylake devices need to go to Win10 to continue support since an update may not be released(for Skylake devices) if it jeopardizes reliability and compatibility on 7/8.1 devices (i.e. 7/8.1/10 devices get the update but not Skylake on 7/8.1) Win7 silicon is supported through its EOL in Jan. 2020, 8.1 through Jan. 2023. New silicon is only supported with Win10. What about manufacturer refurbished silicon? |
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On 18/01/2016 03:27, . . .winston wrote:
....snip... The take-away and probably more important than the above(which I mentioned in a post last July prior to Win10's release which some here and in online forums seemed to disagree with or take exception to) is the interpretation of Win10's support for the life of a device. - Repeating it again - it does not mean in perpetuity for the life of the o/s on all devices(via free upgrade, OEM pre-built, or user built or System Builder built with full version media)but only as long as the ***device** is supported. Looks like they also changed the meaning of "support lifecycle" for Windows 7/8x. So far, it used to mean: Windows is supported on any hardware during the (10-year) support lifecycle. From now on it is: Windows is only going to be supported on hardware contemporary or previous to that Windows version's cycle of sales, not on newer hardware, even if the newer harder is released before the end of that Windows version's support lifecycle. |
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Intel 6th Gen Skylake Processors and Win10
edevils wrote on 01/20/2016 2:52 PM:
On 18/01/2016 03:27, . . .winston wrote: ...snip... The take-away and probably more important than the above(which I mentioned in a post last July prior to Win10's release which some here and in online forums seemed to disagree with or take exception to) is the interpretation of Win10's support for the life of a device. - Repeating it again - it does not mean in perpetuity for the life of the o/s on all devices(via free upgrade, OEM pre-built, or user built or System Builder built with full version media)but only as long as the ***device** is supported. Looks like they also changed the meaning of "support lifecycle" for Windows 7/8x. So far, it used to mean: Windows is supported on any hardware during the (10-year) support lifecycle. From now on it is: Windows is only going to be supported on hardware contemporary or previous to that Windows version's cycle of sales, not on newer hardware, even if the newer harder is released before the end of that Windows version's support lifecycle. That's where folks misinterpret the policy. Support lasts until the hardware is no longer supported - that decision can be made by MSFT or the OEMs or the hardware manufacturer's (always has, always will). Additionally, the hardware and the o/s needs the ability to receive and install updates. What has changed and only changed(and a discomfort to those with the latest 6th Gen Skylake Intel processor released in 3rd Quarter 2016[circa August]) is the loss of support on Windows 7/8.1 for the Skylake devices after July 2017. Support is restored if the device is upgraded to Win10. What's unnerving about this policy change is it being coincidental with the problems Intel has been having with the chip which impacts support across the full spectrum (Intel, the OEMs, and Microsoft). By limiting its use to Win10 after July 2017 those same entities who all provide support (warranty, contractually) reduce their need (and cost) to address Win7/8x issues. It would be a pipe dream to believe that all the above (Intel, OEMs-HP,Dell, Lenovo, and Microsoft) don't wish to reduce the support necessary for 7/8x devices. There's no doubt in my mind that support is headed in the direction of being available for the current and previous hardware and software(Skylake being the current exception). -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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On 1/20/2016 5:32 PM, . . .winston wrote:
edevils wrote on 01/20/2016 2:52 PM: On 18/01/2016 03:27, . . .winston wrote: ...snip... The take-away and probably more important than the above(which I mentioned in a post last July prior to Win10's release which some here and in online forums seemed to disagree with or take exception to) is the interpretation of Win10's support for the life of a device. - Repeating it again - it does not mean in perpetuity for the life of the o/s on all devices(via free upgrade, OEM pre-built, or user built or System Builder built with full version media)but only as long as the ***device** is supported. Looks like they also changed the meaning of "support lifecycle" for Windows 7/8x. So far, it used to mean: Windows is supported on any hardware during the (10-year) support lifecycle. From now on it is: Windows is only going to be supported on hardware contemporary or previous to that Windows version's cycle of sales, not on newer hardware, even if the newer harder is released before the end of that Windows version's support lifecycle. That's where folks misinterpret the policy. Support lasts until the hardware is no longer supported - that decision can be made by MSFT or the OEMs or the hardware manufacturer's (always has, always will). Additionally, the hardware and the o/s needs the ability to receive and install updates. This is yet another incredibly bad decision. Advanced hardware systems for almost every industry, such as media production, printing, research, and so on relies on their systems being stable and able to work every day. And, they continue to be functional and profitable long after the "support" for those products end. Even "current" systems for these kinds of applications require that the miscellaneous pieces of hardware involved, firmware and *software* are all compatible at the same time. *It has never been the case* in my many years of work with PC-based systems that these factors were always simultaneously viable because updates for any one of them have often conflicted with one or more of the others. The only option in such cases would be to roll back to a previous configuration, but usually down-time was unavoidable. But, that goes out the window if you can't regulate the updating of the OS. The relatively simple show-stopping problems with "plain vanilla" systems that are reported daily in this group should give a clue about the headaches ahead for more sophisticated systems. I just don't understand why Microsoft thinks Windows 10's policies are a good idea. [...] What's unnerving about this policy change is it being coincidental with the problems Intel has been having with the chip which impacts support across the full spectrum (Intel, the OEMs, and Microsoft). By limiting its use to Win10 after July 2017 those same entities who all provide support (warranty, contractually) reduce their need (and cost) to address Win7/8x issues. This is a good example of one aspect of my concerns, above! -- Best regards, Neil |
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On 20/01/2016 20:52, edevils wrote:
Looks like they also changed the meaning of "support lifecycle" for Windows 7/8x. So far, it used to mean: Windows is supported on any hardware during the (10-year) support lifecycle. From now on it is: Windows is only going to be supported on hardware contemporary or previous to that Windows version's cycle of sales, not on newer hardware, even if the newer harder Erratum: "newer hardware" is released before the end of that Windows version's support lifecycle. |
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On 20/01/2016 23:32, . . .winston wrote:
edevils wrote on 01/20/2016 2:52 PM: On 18/01/2016 03:27, . . .winston wrote: ...snip... The take-away and probably more important than the above(which I mentioned in a post last July prior to Win10's release which some here and in online forums seemed to disagree with or take exception to) is the interpretation of Win10's support for the life of a device. - Repeating it again - it does not mean in perpetuity for the life of the o/s on all devices(via free upgrade, OEM pre-built, or user built or System Builder built with full version media)but only as long as the ***device** is supported. Looks like they also changed the meaning of "support lifecycle" for Windows 7/8x. So far, it used to mean: Windows is supported on any hardware during the (10-year) support lifecycle. From now on it is: Windows is only going to be supported on hardware contemporary or previous to that Windows version's cycle of sales, not on newer hardware, even if the newer harder is released before the end of that Windows version's support lifecycle. That's where folks misinterpret the policy. Support lasts until the hardware is no longer supported - that decision can be made by MSFT or the OEMs or the hardware manufacturer's (always has, always will). Additionally, the hardware and the o/s needs the ability to receive and install updates. You are technically right. Even in the past any new hardware could lack support for a Windows version, even during that Windows version's support lifecycle. Still, did it ever happen for CPUs? Besides, did they ever *trumpet* the lack of support? :-O Don't you think there is something new and disturbing in the way MS announced the lack of support on future silicon? What has changed and only changed(and a discomfort to those with the latest 6th Gen Skylake Intel processor released in 3rd Quarter 2016[circa August]) is the loss of support on Windows 7/8.1 for the Skylake devices after July 2017. Support is restored if the device is upgraded to Win10. Yep, that's definitely a change. True, the change is limited to a specific processor, but I get the feeling it is setting a new course. What's unnerving about this policy change is it being coincidental with the problems Intel has been having with the chip which impacts support across the full spectrum (Intel, the OEMs, and Microsoft). By limiting its use to Win10 after July 2017 those same entities who all provide support (warranty, contractually) reduce their need (and cost) to address Win7/8x issues. It would be a pipe dream to believe that all the above (Intel, OEMs-HP,Dell, Lenovo, and Microsoft) don't wish to reduce the support necessary for 7/8x devices. There's no doubt in my mind that support is headed in the direction of being available for the current and previous hardware and software(Skylake being the current exception). I understand, but they should have told users about the forthcoming loss of support *before* they started selling that processor. Now you support it, now you don't! |
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edevils wrote on 01/21/2016 3:13 PM:
On 20/01/2016 23:32, . . .winston wrote: edevils wrote on 01/20/2016 2:52 PM: On 18/01/2016 03:27, . . .winston wrote: ...snip... The take-away and probably more important than the above(which I mentioned in a post last July prior to Win10's release which some here and in online forums seemed to disagree with or take exception to) is the interpretation of Win10's support for the life of a device. - Repeating it again - it does not mean in perpetuity for the life of the o/s on all devices(via free upgrade, OEM pre-built, or user built or System Builder built with full version media)but only as long as the ***device** is supported. Looks like they also changed the meaning of "support lifecycle" for Windows 7/8x. So far, it used to mean: Windows is supported on any hardware during the (10-year) support lifecycle. From now on it is: Windows is only going to be supported on hardware contemporary or previous to that Windows version's cycle of sales, not on newer hardware, even if the newer harder is released before the end of that Windows version's support lifecycle. That's where folks misinterpret the policy. Support lasts until the hardware is no longer supported - that decision can be made by MSFT or the OEMs or the hardware manufacturer's (always has, always will). Additionally, the hardware and the o/s needs the ability to receive and install updates. You are technically right. Even in the past any new hardware could lack support for a Windows version, even during that Windows version's support lifecycle. Still, did it ever happen for CPUs? Yes, but the information was not as upfront as this one for Skylake nor near as global requiring a bit more digging to determine impact. 8.1 and 10 had unique support requirements that hinged on the the processor (see the two below). • Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz)* or faster with support for PAE, NX, and SSE2 (more info) •To install a 64-bit OS on a 64-bit PC, your processor needs to support CMPXCHG16b, PrefetchW, and LAHF/SAHF Besides, did they ever *trumpet* the lack of support? :-O Don't you think there is something new and disturbing in the way MS announced the lack of support on future silicon? What has changed and only changed(and a discomfort to those with the latest 6th Gen Skylake Intel processor released in 3rd Quarter 2016[circa August]) is the loss of support on Windows 7/8.1 for the Skylake devices after July 2017. Support is restored if the device is upgraded to Win10. Yep, that's definitely a change. True, the change is limited to a specific processor, but I get the feeling it is setting a new course. Could be...though as noted - this whole Skylake 'only Win10 support' looks like an industry buy-in (Intel, OEM's and MSFT) with MSFT being the primary communicator and imo taking away some of the pain from the other involved companies - i.e. Send your big brother to protect you. What's unnerving about this policy change is it being coincidental with the problems Intel has been having with the chip which impacts support across the full spectrum (Intel, the OEMs, and Microsoft). By limiting its use to Win10 after July 2017 those same entities who all provide support (warranty, contractually) reduce their need (and cost) to address Win7/8x issues. It would be a pipe dream to believe that all the above (Intel, OEMs-HP,Dell, Lenovo, and Microsoft) don't wish to reduce the support necessary for 7/8x devices. There's no doubt in my mind that support is headed in the direction of being available for the current and previous hardware and software(Skylake being the current exception). I understand, but they should have told users about the forthcoming loss of support *before* they started selling that processor. Intel sells the processor and at this time its unknown if earlier testing prior to release (Skylake in Aug 2015) yielded concerns or set the stage for the Skylake Win10 only announcement. Now you support it, now you don't! -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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