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Gaining control in w-7
"John Williamson" wrote in message ... On 20/06/2012 01:37, RH Breener wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... Which is a shortened version of this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...windows-vista/ The PC is W-7, not Vista. How can I shut this crap off alltogether? I don't care if I'm open to attack. As Vista and W7 are both to a large extent the same code with different bells and whistles, I'd expect the Vista method to work on W7 in the same way. It certainly does for everything else I've tried, if anything W7 security is easier to get past than Vista. If you weren't aware of this, then maybe you don't know enough to be messing round at that level. If the Vista method doesn't work, then it's one of very few differences. If it doesn't work beause you can't find the various bits, be assured they are still there, but not necessarily in the same places. -- Tciao for Now! John. I can see that. I can't find much of the things I've looked for. Or I have to waste a lot of time finding them. I can't see any benefit to changing their names or where they're located in W7. In WindowsExplorer I can't find the Delete button or any way to get it to show. The W7 OS is very disappointing. And all the Permissions and other safety crap is annoying as hell. |
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Gaining control in w-7
"Paul" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: "Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 16:18:57 -0700, RH Breener wrote: I started a new thread since it's a different subject. How do I do away with all the irritating and aggravating "permissions" in W-7? I can't take control of anything and I'm the Administrator. How is all this crap shut off or shut down? Under Properties (for a dll file for example) I can't change anything. It's grayed out. I don't even feel like I own the W-7 computer. Please, anyone... how do I stop this 'permission' craziness? First: you are most likely not *the* Administrator, you are probably *an* Administrator, i.e., a normal user with (a subset of ) Administrator privileges. You can turn off UAC, but you do open yourself to some malware attacks. I don't care. I can't put up with this permissions thing. How do I make myself the Administrator then? To log on as *the* Admin, first you need to enable it, then you need to switch users to the real Admin: What do you mean "log on" as the Admin? When the PC is turned on I am logged in so how do log-in as the Admin? http://tinyurl.com/2q56p3 That wont work because when I open the prompt it alread says: It gives me the version of windows and then: C:\Users\Breener I get the error: Command not recognized. So what else can it try? Which is a shortened version of this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windo...windows-vista/ The PC is W-7, not Vista. How can I shut this crap off alltogether? I don't care if I'm open to attack. You can find the tutorial information on other sites. With a multitude of options for doing it. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...e-disable.html Be aware, that one change in approach for the newer operating systems, is the Administrator account is not "God". The security model previously, on quite a few OSes, was that once you used the Administrator account was used, restrictions "magically fell away". Then the temptation of all home users, was to just "run as administrator" all the time, to make a "flat security model". On Windows 7, there is an account called "TrustedInstaller". Some things on your system are owned by TrustedInstaller, and you could still be denied the simplest of things, because of the account owning the facility. TrustedInstaller is there, as an account that only a trusted part of the OS, doing installation work, should be using. The new Windows use multiple accounts, to try to confound malware. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...rce_Protection "Permission for full access to modify WRP-protected resources is restricted to the processes using the Windows Modules Installer service (TrustedInstaller.exe). Administrators no longer have full rights to system files. Protected resources can be modified or replaced only if administrators take ownership of the resource and add the appropriate Access Control Entries (ACEs). The "Trusted Installer" account is used to secure core operating system files and registry keys. Protected files and registry keys have an access control list applied that prevents other user accounts and programs that execute under any other user account except the TrustedInstaller account from making changes." If you bump into something like that, you can probably change the ownership of the pesky facility, to gain access to it. But if you thought the Administrator account was the "magic carpet" it used to be, no, its not. For security reasons, lots of things are less convenient than they could be. And... thats life. And so those if us who have never had a problem with hackers and viruses and all those things have to suffer for those who don't protect their computers. I think, only once so far, I've run into a Registry setting I couldn't change in regedit, because of the default permissions applied when the OS was installed. So even when meddling with the Registry, as an Administrator, you can still run into "resistance". There should be a way to deal with it, but it takes time. Disabling UAC, would reduce the number of dialog boxes when attempting to do stuff. Running as Administrator, would be a separate issue. And the ownership of critical facilities in Windows by the TrustedInstaller account, means that the Administrator account can't run roughshod over everything, instantly. Given time, you can probably achieve the results you want, but not without some "hair loss". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control "Criticism There have been complaints that UAC notifications slow down various tasks on the computer such as the initial installation of software onto Windows Vista. It is possible to turn off UAC while installing software, and reenable it at a later time. However, this is not recommended since, as File & Registry Virtualization is only active when UAC is turned on, user settings and configuration files may be installed to a different place (a system directory rather than a user-specific directory) if UAC is switched off than they would be otherwise. Also Internet Explorer 7's "Protected Mode", whereby the browser runs in a sandbox with lower privileges than the standard user, relies on UAC; and will not function if UAC is disabled." Could you use some utility, to change the ownership of files so they're all "Administrator" and fix it that way ? Perhaps. Except the next time you go to install some new software, the system facilities used, may notice the security is all wrong. And I don't know what would happen in that case. Again, on older systems, the system might not have been sophisticated enough to notice when you do stuff like that. Like, imagine what would happen if you needed to install a Service Pack, and the installer started looking at the setup. There's more complexity in Windows 7, than I can handle. Paul There seems to be more complexity than I care to handle also. I can't see how all these aggravating security features are necessary. |
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On 6/20/2012 7:21 AM, RH Breener wrote:
In WindowsExplorer I can't find the Delete button or any way to get it to show. It's in the same place on your keyboard it's always been. -- I do not carry a gun hoping that I'll be able to shoot someone, anymore than I carry a jack hoping I'll have a flat tire. Me. |
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"Joe Morris" wrote in message ... brevity snip If you (the OP) are comfortable with removing protections against malware attacks, that's your call since you're the person with the most knowledge of your tolerance for risk. You've probably gathered that I don't recommend it, but all I know about your situation is what you've posted. Joe I am so f*&^%$# mad, I'm still not getting anywhere with removing the msoe.dll file in WindowsMail on W7 to replace it with the one I need to replace it with. Now I need to get permission from the "Trusted Installer." There is no information on how to get this permission? How do I do that? I can't believe this. How the bloody hell do I get to use this computer as the owner who paid for the OS as part of the price for computer? My blood pressure must be up to 200 already. |
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"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 20/06/2012 00:18, RH Breener wrote: I started a new thread since it's a different subject. How do I do away with all the irritating and aggravating "permissions" in W-7? I can't take control of anything and I'm the Administrator. How is all this crap shut off or shut down? Under Properties (for a dll file for example) I can't change anything. It's grayed out. I don't even feel like I own the W-7 computer. Please, anyone... how do I stop this 'permission' craziness? Not sure that I'd want to stop it completely, even though it is a pain at times. If you need to change a file or do something to it that Win7 won't allow you to, then there is always the option to boot with a Linux live CD and use its file manager do what you want to with that file. Are you telling me Linux will allow me to switch a .dll in WindowsMail on W7. May even be possible to make registry changes with it as, AFAIU, much of the registry is just a text file (I believe that the security settings are encoded, so you can't change those in any meaningful way). I've never tried it, so others who post here may know if it's [possible or not. Just remember that if you do make changes, you might render your PC unbootable. I'm not looking to edit the registry, just switch a .dll. I don't think Linux would help and I know nothing about Linux. -- Jeff |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:56:45 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote: "Bob Hatch" wrote in message eb.com... On 6/20/2012 7:21 AM, RH Breener wrote: In WindowsExplorer I can't find the Delete button or any way to get it to show. It's in the same place on your keyboard it's always been. In WindowsExplorer? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In fairness to Bob, you should have mentioned that you use a different keyboard for each application. Me, I just use one keyboard for everything. That way, my Delete key is always right where it should be. -- Char Jackson |
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On 6/20/2012 9:56 AM, RH Breener wrote:
"Bob Hatch" wrote in message b.com... On 6/20/2012 7:21 AM, RH Breener wrote: In WindowsExplorer I can't find the Delete button or any way to get it to show. It's in the same place on your keyboard it's always been. In WindowsExplorer? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, highlight the file and press the delete key. This is not rocket science. -- I do not carry a gun hoping that I'll be able to shoot someone, anymore than I carry a jack hoping I'll have a flat tire. Me. |
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On 6/20/2012 8:07 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:56:45 -0700, "RH Breener" wrote: "Bob Hatch" wrote in message b.com... On 6/20/2012 7:21 AM, RH Breener wrote: In WindowsExplorer I can't find the Delete button or any way to get it to show. It's in the same place on your keyboard it's always been. In WindowsExplorer? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In fairness to Bob, you should have mentioned that you use a different keyboard for each application. Me, I just use one keyboard for everything. That way, my Delete key is always right where it should be. Now that's funny. :-) -- I do not carry a gun hoping that I'll be able to shoot someone, anymore than I carry a jack hoping I'll have a flat tire. Me. |
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On 20/06/2012 16:09, Bob Hatch wrote:
On 6/20/2012 9:56 AM, RH Breener wrote: "Bob Hatch" wrote in message b.com... On 6/20/2012 7:21 AM, RH Breener wrote: In WindowsExplorer I can't find the Delete button or any way to get it to show. It's in the same place on your keyboard it's always been. In WindowsExplorer? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, highlight the file and press the delete key. This is not rocket science. Or, there's the complicated version, highlight the file(s) by (Optionally ctrl or shift) left clicking on it or them, then right click on it or them and use the "delete" option, just as I've been doing since Windows 95. It also works in most versions of Linux. Highlighting a file name with the mouse and pressing the delete key also works exactly the same way in DOSSHELL. It was a bit harder in DOS 4 and earlier, you needed to use Norton Commander or something similar, as DOSSHELL won't work unless you've got DOS 5 or later. -- Tciao for Now! John. |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: There seems to be more complexity than I care to handle also. I can't see how all these aggravating security features are necessary. The future of computing is totally locked down systems. (Akin to "Terminal - Mainframe" computing, using small display devices and the Cloud.) In Windows 8, there'll be two streams. Win RT for ARM based tablets. And Windows 8 for Intel processor desktops etc. Win RT machines, will not be allowed to boot an alternate OS. There will be an "app store", just like the competition uses, and developer products will go through that "gate" to get to customers. I don't think you're even allowed to use an alternate web browser in Win RT. If you don't like what you've currently got, there's always something new coming along to make you appreciate the past. I happen to like the freedom to trash my machines with the silly things I do, but it doesn't look like that's the future. ******* In the future, all the cool cats, will be using $35 open source computers. The next generation of users know where it's at - wires all over the table, circuit boards laying open to the air... http://www.raspberrypi.org/ http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-conten...46-225x300.jpg That cat's got a pretty kick-ass game of Pong going there :-) http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/01/r...nd-tinker-toy/ Paul Unfortunately my software wont work on Linux. I don't think it'll ever outsell Windows. |
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On 6/20/12 8:46 AM, RH Breener wrote:
I am so f*&^%$# mad, I'm still not getting anywhere with removing the msoe.dll file in WindowsMail on W7 to replace it with the one I need to replace it with. Have you considered using one of the various Linux Live CD's out there, and using Linux to replace the DLL file? -- Ken Mac OS X 10.6.8 Firefox 13.0.1 Thunderbird 13.0.1 LibreOffice 3.5.2.2 |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: I'm not looking to edit the registry, just switch a .dll. I don't think Linux would help and I know nothing about Linux. Are you following the tutorial ? It makes mention of a Take Ownership thing I think. You can add Take Ownership to your right-click context menu, for bludgeoning stuff that gets in the way. Oh, sorry. I already installed that but it never showed up on the right-click menu as a choice. I can try downloading it again but have little hope it'll show up there the second time. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html Isn't bludgeoning fun ? :-) Paul |
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On Wed, 20 Jun 2012 09:38:51 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote: On 6/20/12 8:46 AM, RH Breener wrote: I am so f*&^%$# mad, I'm still not getting anywhere with removing the msoe.dll file in WindowsMail on W7 to replace it with the one I need to replace it with. Have you considered using one of the various Linux Live CD's out there, and using Linux to replace the DLL file? Considering his admitted knowledge level, I believe that would be a very bad idea. -- Char Jackson |
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Hi RH
RH Breener wrote: Are you telling me Linux will allow me to switch a .dll in WindowsMail on W7. Yes you can replace a file in windows using Linux, just boot using a Linux dvd and replace the file in the same way as you would do in a windows with no security, but do save the old one, in case it doesn't work. Best regards Asger-P http://Asger-P.dk/software QLaunch, INI-Edit and Color Pick Pro. |
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"Paul" wrote in message ... RH Breener wrote: I'm not looking to edit the registry, just switch a .dll. I don't think Linux would help and I know nothing about Linux. Are you following the tutorial ? It makes mention of a Take Ownership thing I think. You can add Take Ownership to your right-click context menu, for bludgeoning stuff that gets in the way. http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html Isn't bludgeoning fun ? :-) Paul When I right click on those files there is no Merge to choose. I see they're registry files but there's no Merge on the right-click menu. I got stuck at that point. I can't understand the Default Program and extension part. It's like Chinese, some foreign language and flies right over my head. Too much tech-speak from that point on. I don't understand which file extension I'm supposed to change. It lost me............................ |
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