"Windows 10 "Developer Mode""

On 07/24/16 20:08, Mayayana so wittily quipped:
On Windows, however, there's nothing I can imagine that
*requires* commandline.

your imagination must be limited. you should 'free your mind' and let
go of the pro-Micro-Shaft bias. I suggest starting with 'Cygwin'.

Try implementing a tool like 'rsync' or 'scp' with a WSH script. Yeah,
good luck. Try remote-connecting to a computer over the internet via
'ssh', and compare THAT to what's possible with WSH. Imagining anything
NEW yet?

In fact, if the connection speed is good enough, with X Windows I can
run a *GUI* application that displays on the local computer and
interacts directly with its mouse and keyboard, so that I can
'mousie-clickie' the thing remotely if I want to, by setting up an SSH
TUNNEL to the remote computer across the internet, and assigning
'DISPLAY' to the correct identifier within the shell running on the
remote computer. [I do that on my local LAN all the time, and going
over the intarweb via an SSH tunnel isn't that difficult, as long as you
set it up correctly - yeah I made it a 'shell script' so I don't have to
remember all of the commands].

good luck accomplishing anything *THAT* cool with Winders, especially
WSH [unless you have Cygwin on it, and you do a bash script].


Even if I want to do something using commandline I
could pack that into a script so that I don't have to
type it out again the second time.

you have just described what bash shell scripts actually accomplish.
well done!

On 07/25/16 06:36, Mayayana so wittily quipped:
| Duh!
|
| What's in a script?
| Lines of commands!
|

No. If you're thinking of a DOS batch file
that's pretty much true. Maybe it's true with
Linux shell scripting. I don't know. Windows
scripting is interpreted programming code.

when I need that I use Perl or Python

That's my point. It's GUI-aware,
COM-compatible and supports all the complexity
of a programming language: subs, functions,
classes, complex branching, objects, etc.

and so are Perl and Python

but a lot of that 'classes' stuff is highly overrated, especially if
you're referring to ".Not".

Perl objects, and similarly Python objects, are similar to what you
might see in Java, FYI.


who needs VB Script and WSH. you can load Perl and Python for windows!

On 07/25/16 19:26, Roger Blake so wittily quipped:
On 2016-07-25, Mayayana wrote:
Windows Script Host, I have to wonder what "real power"
is. Time travel? Anti-aging incantations?

Complete control over the system regardless of whether there is
a working GUI available or not.

But in general, command line is just a limited subset
of functionality existing in Windows, with limited

You can do just about anything via command line that you can with the GUI.
At least some versions of Windows server have the option of installing
without a GUI.

that was a bold move from Microsoft, and pretty smart.
they apparently recognized that admins like to be able to "remote shell"
into a server, and then fix things.

powershell was an interesting attempt at making all of this available.

I prefer what I can do with UNIX-like tools, though.


Of course, the motivation was that the GUI was PIGGING UP the system.
It really started with Win2k3 server, which had a *LOT* of ".Nottiness"
in its GUI, making it PIG SLOW. I had a Win2k server running fine on a
Pentium I 133Mhz. To put Win2k3 on it, I had to double the RAM and it
was *EXTREMELY* *PIGGY*, lots of delays when you press keys or click the
mouse, stuttery performance, etc..

Sad.

What's funny is how well LINUX and the BSDs run on "older hardware".
Makes Micro-shaft's stuff look pathetic, how well UNIX-like operating
systems run on old stuff, or underpowered things like a Raspberry Pi.

On 07/26/16 06:47, Mayayana so wittily quipped:
| Complete control over the system regardless of whether there is
| a working GUI available or not.
|
| The other factor here is that I don't want to have
| to use a console window. I don't want to have to type
|
| My only real use for a GUI is to run multiple terminals. Pointing and
| clicking is a nuisance.
|

There are actually two topics here. It started
out with the idea of bash on Windows, and Big Bad
Bob saying that Linux scripting can be a useful
programming tool.
It's really two discussions about command line:

1) Is commandline scripting more powerful than
modern programming and scripting? Clearly not.

yeah you used the "m" word 'modern'. Shill.

It's a "modern" interface, you NEANDERTHALS. Where have I seen *THAT*
before... with respect to Win-10-nic, "the METRO", "Universal
[CR]apps(sic)", and so on... *EVERYWHERE*!

"snooty snobs" indeed.

On 2016-07-26, Big Bad Bob wrote:
It's a "modern" interface, you NEANDERTHALS. Where have I seen *THAT*
before... with respect to Win-10-nic, "the METRO", "Universal
[CR]apps(sic)", and so on... *EVERYWHERE*!

Funny thing, I met up with a friend this afternoon and his Windows 10
system had crashed. Would not boot, none of the GUI recovery tools
would work. What was he doing? Backing up and repairing the system
from a recovery command shell. When the pretty pictures stop working
you need to be able to get under the hood and down and dirty with the
underlying system.

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| It's a "modern" interface, you NEANDERTHALS. Where have I seen *THAT*
| before... with respect to Win-10-nic, "the METRO", "Universal
| [CR]apps(sic)", and so on... *EVERYWHERE*!
|
| "snooty snobs" indeed.
|

Yes. It's a sleazy usage that's spread among the
MS people and many MVPs to mean whatever MS
currently supports. But I meant it in a common
sense way: GUI is modern, as opposed to DOS.
You can call them what you like. That's all I was
trying to say. (The word modern merely means
new.)

On 07/26/16 15:19, Mayayana so wittily quipped:
| It's a "modern" interface, you NEANDERTHALS. Where have I seen *THAT*
| before... with respect to Win-10-nic, "the METRO", "Universal
| [CR]apps(sic)", and so on... *EVERYWHERE*!
|
| "snooty snobs" indeed.
|

Yes. It's a sleazy usage that's spread among the
MS people and many MVPs to mean whatever MS
currently supports. But I meant it in a common
sense way: GUI is modern, as opposed to DOS.
You can call them what you like. That's all I was
trying to say. (The word modern merely means
new.)



OK, I'll accept that.