showing all SID's in registry ? (including hidden SID's)

is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe} including hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong thing will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your self out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to stay out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe} including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your self out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to stay out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe} including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

They're there all right. If you're not getting to them, then you haven't set
permissions correctly on the appropriate branches.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe} including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

but using an account with administrator privaleges, shouldn't i be able to
view them ?


"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
They're there all right. If you're not getting to them, then you haven't
set
permissions correctly on the appropriate branches.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

By default, no. In fact by default, no user has access to the necessary
branches.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:%_Goa.280085$OV.330195@rwcrnsc54...
but using an account with administrator privaleges, shouldn't i be able to
view them ?


"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
They're there all right. If you're not getting to them, then you haven't
set
permissions correctly on the appropriate branches.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your
self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to
stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the=20
real, currently existing accounts are represented in=20
the SAM.

--=20
Roger=20

"rtdos" wrote in message =
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in =
the
registry (the old login names).
=20
=20
=20
"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the =
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong =
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your =
self out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to =
stay out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently =
advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe} =
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos



=20

after I delete an account and I try to add a new account I get a message
that says "such & such can't be added. that username already exists."



"Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the
real, currently existing accounts are represented in
the SAM.

--
Roger

"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe} including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

You're making a dangerous invalid assumption.

How did you delete the user accounts and what options did you use? Did you
attempt to keep the ex-user's data files?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:XBSoa.314428$Zo.63131@sccrnsc03...
after I delete an account and I try to add a new account I get a message
that says "such & such can't be added. that username already exists."



"Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the
real, currently existing accounts are represented in
the SAM.

--
Roger

"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

yes i did delete EVERYTHING about the users accounts and I don have
the proper SID numbers for each account. everytime I try to use user
accounts to add these names in again it is telling me that username
already exists. more examination has proven this.



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message ...
You're making a dangerous invalid assumption.

How did you delete the user accounts and what options did you use? Did you
attempt to keep the ex-user's data files?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:XBSoa.314428$Zo.63131@sccrnsc03...
after I delete an account and I try to add a new account I get a message
that says "such & such can't be added. that username already exists."



"Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the
real, currently existing accounts are represented in
the SAM.

--
Roger

"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

This sounds like the userpasswords2 bug that appears when you demote a user to
Limited. If you did that, Walter has a good reg hack to fix it.

--
Mark L. Ferguson TabletPC MVP
Email address : Subject: "QZ" + anything
All email without "QZ" in the subject line will be automatically deleted.
marfer's notes for XP http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/xp_notes.htm
..

"rtdos" wrote in message
m...
yes i did delete EVERYTHING about the users accounts and I don have
the proper SID numbers for each account. everytime I try to use user
accounts to add these names in again it is telling me that username
already exists. more examination has proven this.



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're making a dangerous invalid assumption.

How did you delete the user accounts and what options did you use? Did you
attempt to keep the ex-user's data files?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:XBSoa.314428$Zo.63131@sccrnsc03...
after I delete an account and I try to add a new account I get a message
that says "such & such can't be added. that username already exists."



"Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the
real, currently existing accounts are represented in
the SAM.

--
Roger

"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

I can delete and readd accounts at will on both HE and Pro via the User
control panel applet.

So you've done something very non-standard to get into the state you
indicate.

If, as Mark indicated, you've been playing with "control userpasswords2" on
HE, you may have hosed things. Seriously so. So what I need to know is
exactly what you've done and in precisely what order, especially if you've
been using "control userpasswords2" and this is an HE machine I'll have to
repro to give you a specific set of instructions. Randomly fumbling around
in this area of the registry is dangerous. The issue Mark referred to is
where some one uses "control userpasswords2" on HE in an attempt to set a
user to Power user status. That causes an issue similar to what you're
observing.

One other things that bothers me, is your still using the wrong terminology.
This issue has nothing to do with SIDs unless you've been playing with 3rd
party tools without understanding what you're doing. And if you have been
doing that, then I need to know what tool(s) and what you've done.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
m...
yes i did delete EVERYTHING about the users accounts and I don have
the proper SID numbers for each account. everytime I try to use user
accounts to add these names in again it is telling me that username
already exists. more examination has proven this.



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're making a dangerous invalid assumption.

How did you delete the user accounts and what options did you use? Did
you
attempt to keep the ex-user's data files?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:XBSoa.314428$Zo.63131@sccrnsc03...
after I delete an account and I try to add a new account I get a
message
that says "such & such can't be added. that username already exists."



"Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the
real, currently existing accounts are represented in
the SAM.

--
Roger

"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's
in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking your
self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state
backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate
registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need to
stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

no i didn't intially use useraccount2 to deactivate or remove these
accounts. first i clicked on my computer then properties and adanced and
user profiles. deleted the assoc. files that way and then through
useraccounts HE. however, when I try to add accounts with the same or
similiar names i get a message that says "account / username already exists"

is there any way to fix this ?

everything works fine on my computer and nothing out of the ordinary (as far
as users accounts and privaleges go) except this.

these accounts i am talking about (the hidden ones) do not show up in my
normal log in screen but when i press CTRL+ALT+DEL twice to get the classic
login, I type the hidden username and it logins in normally (like I just
created the account) but when I look at my comptuer (the properties then
advanced then user profiles) or useraccounts HE or useraccounts2 nothing is
there.

now am i making sense ?


"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
I can delete and readd accounts at will on both HE and Pro via the User
control panel applet.

So you've done something very non-standard to get into the state you
indicate.

If, as Mark indicated, you've been playing with "control userpasswords2"
on
HE, you may have hosed things. Seriously so. So what I need to know is
exactly what you've done and in precisely what order, especially if you've
been using "control userpasswords2" and this is an HE machine I'll have to
repro to give you a specific set of instructions. Randomly fumbling around
in this area of the registry is dangerous. The issue Mark referred to is
where some one uses "control userpasswords2" on HE in an attempt to set a
user to Power user status. That causes an issue similar to what you're
observing.

One other things that bothers me, is your still using the wrong
terminology.
This issue has nothing to do with SIDs unless you've been playing with 3rd
party tools without understanding what you're doing. And if you have been
doing that, then I need to know what tool(s) and what you've done.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
m...
yes i did delete EVERYTHING about the users accounts and I don have
the proper SID numbers for each account. everytime I try to use user
accounts to add these names in again it is telling me that username
already exists. more examination has proven this.



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're making a dangerous invalid assumption.

How did you delete the user accounts and what options did you use? Did
you
attempt to keep the ex-user's data files?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:XBSoa.314428$Zo.63131@sccrnsc03...
after I delete an account and I try to add a new account I get a
message
that says "such & such can't be added. that username already
exists."



"Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the
real, currently existing accounts are represented in
the SAM.

--
Roger

"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden SID's
in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of
the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the
wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking
your
self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state
backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate
registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need
to
stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org

http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

Were these accounts that you created or were they on the machine when you
received it?

And yes, it sounds like you did some things backwards (deleting the user
account you simply follow the prompts; there's no need to manually delete
anything from the standard data structure. You implied that you deleted the
data first then the user account), but I'm more concerned at present as to
specifically what kind of accounts you're attempting to delete. As was
mentioned elsewhere, there are some accounts that the system requires to
function and will not show up in most places, although they can be logged
into. Deleting these accounts will render your machine nothing more than a
high priced door stop.


--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:R1Xoa.556867$L1.162183@sccrnsc02...
no i didn't intially use useraccount2 to deactivate or remove these
accounts. first i clicked on my computer then properties and adanced and
user profiles. deleted the assoc. files that way and then through
useraccounts HE. however, when I try to add accounts with the same or
similiar names i get a message that says "account / username already
exists"

is there any way to fix this ?

everything works fine on my computer and nothing out of the ordinary (as
far
as users accounts and privaleges go) except this.

these accounts i am talking about (the hidden ones) do not show up in my
normal log in screen but when i press CTRL+ALT+DEL twice to get the
classic
login, I type the hidden username and it logins in normally (like I just
created the account) but when I look at my comptuer (the properties then
advanced then user profiles) or useraccounts HE or useraccounts2 nothing
is
there.

now am i making sense ?


"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
I can delete and readd accounts at will on both HE and Pro via the User
control panel applet.

So you've done something very non-standard to get into the state you
indicate.

If, as Mark indicated, you've been playing with "control userpasswords2"
on
HE, you may have hosed things. Seriously so. So what I need to know is
exactly what you've done and in precisely what order, especially if
you've
been using "control userpasswords2" and this is an HE machine I'll have
to
repro to give you a specific set of instructions. Randomly fumbling
around
in this area of the registry is dangerous. The issue Mark referred to is
where some one uses "control userpasswords2" on HE in an attempt to set
a
user to Power user status. That causes an issue similar to what you're
observing.

One other things that bothers me, is your still using the wrong
terminology.
This issue has nothing to do with SIDs unless you've been playing with
3rd
party tools without understanding what you're doing. And if you have
been
doing that, then I need to know what tool(s) and what you've done.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
m...
yes i did delete EVERYTHING about the users accounts and I don have
the proper SID numbers for each account. everytime I try to use user
accounts to add these names in again it is telling me that username
already exists. more examination has proven this.



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're making a dangerous invalid assumption.

How did you delete the user accounts and what options did you use?
Did
you
attempt to keep the ex-user's data files?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:XBSoa.314428$Zo.63131@sccrnsc03...
after I delete an account and I try to add a new account I get a
message
that says "such & such can't be added. that username already
exists."



"Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the
real, currently existing accounts are represented in
the SAM.

--
Roger

"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden
SID's
in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part of
the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the
wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking
your
self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system state
backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate
registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you need
to
stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org

http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos

yes, these were normal users accounts that i created.


"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
Were these accounts that you created or were they on the machine when you
received it?

And yes, it sounds like you did some things backwards (deleting the user
account you simply follow the prompts; there's no need to manually delete
anything from the standard data structure. You implied that you deleted
the
data first then the user account), but I'm more concerned at present as to
specifically what kind of accounts you're attempting to delete. As was
mentioned elsewhere, there are some accounts that the system requires to
function and will not show up in most places, although they can be logged
into. Deleting these accounts will render your machine nothing more than a
high priced door stop.


--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:R1Xoa.556867$L1.162183@sccrnsc02...
no i didn't intially use useraccount2 to deactivate or remove these
accounts. first i clicked on my computer then properties and adanced
and
user profiles. deleted the assoc. files that way and then through
useraccounts HE. however, when I try to add accounts with the same or
similiar names i get a message that says "account / username already
exists"

is there any way to fix this ?

everything works fine on my computer and nothing out of the ordinary (as
far
as users accounts and privaleges go) except this.

these accounts i am talking about (the hidden ones) do not show up in my
normal log in screen but when i press CTRL+ALT+DEL twice to get the
classic
login, I type the hidden username and it logins in normally (like I just
created the account) but when I look at my comptuer (the properties then
advanced then user profiles) or useraccounts HE or useraccounts2 nothing
is
there.

now am i making sense ?


"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
I can delete and readd accounts at will on both HE and Pro via the
User
control panel applet.

So you've done something very non-standard to get into the state you
indicate.

If, as Mark indicated, you've been playing with "control
userpasswords2"
on
HE, you may have hosed things. Seriously so. So what I need to know is
exactly what you've done and in precisely what order, especially if
you've
been using "control userpasswords2" and this is an HE machine I'll
have
to
repro to give you a specific set of instructions. Randomly fumbling
around
in this area of the registry is dangerous. The issue Mark referred to
is
where some one uses "control userpasswords2" on HE in an attempt to
set
a
user to Power user status. That causes an issue similar to what you're
observing.

One other things that bothers me, is your still using the wrong
terminology.
This issue has nothing to do with SIDs unless you've been playing with
3rd
party tools without understanding what you're doing. And if you have
been
doing that, then I need to know what tool(s) and what you've done.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
m...
yes i did delete EVERYTHING about the users accounts and I don have
the proper SID numbers for each account. everytime I try to use
user
accounts to add these names in again it is telling me that username
already exists. more examination has proven this.



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're making a dangerous invalid assumption.

How did you delete the user accounts and what options did you use?
Did
you
attempt to keep the ex-user's data files?

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:XBSoa.314428$Zo.63131@sccrnsc03...
after I delete an account and I try to add a new account I get a
message
that says "such & such can't be added. that username already
exists."



"Roger Abell [MVP]" wrote in message
...
I do not know what you are expecting to find.
When I look I never see deleted accounts, only the
real, currently existing accounts are represented in
the SAM.

--
Roger

"rtdos" wrote in message
news:vOFoa.545018$3D1.299774@sccrnsc01...
i've tried that. and i still can't get access to the hidden
SID's
in
the
registry (the old login names).



"Walter Clayton" wrote in message
...
You're confusing terminology which is dangerous. That part
of
the
registry
is difficult to access for the simple reason that doing the
wrong
thing
will
cause some really major problems up to and including locking
your
self
out
of the system or loosing all data.

If you really want to take the chance, do a full system
state
backup
first.
Then you simply have to set permissions on the appropriate
registry
branches. If you can't figure it from that hint, then you
need
to
stay
out
of that part of the registry.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org

http://support.microsoft.com/service...on/default.asp


"rtdos" wrote in message
news:BcAoa.569376$S_4.627838@rwcrnsc53...
is there a way to show ALL SID's in registry {regedit.exe}
including
hidden
SID's and SID's from old users accounts ?

--
*** REPLY REQUESTED WHEN CONVENIENT ***

Jeff
http://geocities.com/rtdos