Uninstalled McAfee and Windows 8 can't handle it

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:18:24 -0400,
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
wrote:
And I so wish I had avoided
Windows 8 like the plague.]
And I think Windows 7 is just fine, even for those of us who use it on
a desktop without a touch screen--as long as you don't use its
metro/modern interface, and instead use its desktop interface along
with a third party start orb.

That's fine for you. I personally don't want to spend months learning a
new system and wading through all this stuff I don't need... and I
particularly don't like having to download/install other programs to
make everything I use most often, more accessible to me. Guess I'm just
short on patience.

So I will have to be happy with Win7... and I'm getting there, having
waded into the jungle of Win8.

Since using the desktop interface instead of the Modern/Metro
interface makes Windows 8 almost exactly like Windows 7, it took me
about an hour or two to learn it--nowhere near months.

If you start with the preconceived notion that Windows 8 is a jungle,
you will never be happy with it. But you are making a bad mistake, as
far as I'm concerned.


Accepted. At my advanced age my short term memory is shot, so it
takes me much longer to remember all the stuff I have to read about all
the new names and places for everything.

However, my opinion of Win8, was formed by my experience... not hearsay
or negative expectations. I would never have expected anything
like this from Microsoft.
bj

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 20:20:11 -0400, chicagofan wrote:

Ken1943 wrote:
And if you install the GOD shortcut, you can find the stuff they hid or
renamed. File explorer instead of Windows explorer.


KenW
LOL... "GOD", that sounds exactly like what I need.
bj
Actually you can call it anything you like. Only the dot and the
brackets with their contents are actually meaningful.

You could call it "Lizard.{whatever it is}" and it would work the same.
That gives you a chance to mess with the mind of anyone looking over
your shoulder :-)

IIRC, it's a virtual folder with a lot of useful shortcuts in it, like
control panel stuff. Even if I *don't* recall correctly, it's pretty
similar to that.

I played with it a bit when I first learned of it a few years ago, but
then I got bored. Mea culpa: I'm just not enough of a geek to get a lot
out of it. YMMV, as usual.


Thanks, Gene ... I'm going to look into that, when I've gained some
patience to work with it again. [ I saved the previous message]
bj

On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 14:06:32 -0700, "Ken Blake"
wrote in article ...

On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 13:55:45 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox
wrote:

On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 10:16:43 -0700, "Ken Blake" wrote in article ...

On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:04:50 +0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote:


You may believe you get what you pay for, but it's not universally true.


Ditto!


For AV, some of the free ones are quite good, I will use MS Essentials
when my free trial of Trend Micro(which seems to be very good) runs out.


Yes, Microsoft Security Essentials is very good,

You should read this article about MSE:
http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/good...rty-antivirus/



Yes, I read it a couple of days ago. And I put very little credence in
it. Read Winston's comments in this thread.

I have done so, you may put as much credence in it as you like, of
course. My personal experience is very much in line with their
assessment. IMO, MSE is worth exactly what you pay for it.

To date, I've cleaned virus infestations from dozens of machines with
up-to-date copies of MSE "protecting" them, and early on in this
adventure when I began seeing repeat customers I began replacing MSE
with Avast. I have yet to clean a single machine running an up-to-date
copy of Avast. Not saying it can't or won't happen, but that is my
experience thus far.

--
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's
something big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the
universe gets that.

On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 15:45:08 -0500, "Rene Lamontagne"
wrote in article ...

On 10/7/2013 12:55 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 10:16:43 -0700, "Ken Blake" wrote in article ...
On Mon, 7 Oct 2013 16:04:50 +0000 (UTC), Dave
wrote:


You may believe you get what you pay for, but it's not universally true.

Ditto!


For AV, some of the free ones are quite good, I will use MS Essentials
when my free trial of Trend Micro(which seems to be very good) runs out.

Yes, Microsoft Security Essentials is very good,
You should read this article about MSE:
http://www.howtogeek.com/173291/good...rty-antivirus/

"In an interview with Dennis Protection Labs, Holly Stewart, the senior
program manager of the Microsoft Malware Protection Center, said that
Microsoft Security Essentials was just a "baseline" that's designed to
"always be on the bottom" of antivirus tests. She said Microsoft sees
MSE as a first layer of protection and advises Windows users to use a
third-party antivirus instead."


One womans opinion!!!

Indeed. However, my personal experience is very much in line with her
opinion. IMO, MSE is worth exactly what you pay for it.

To date, I've cleaned virus infestations from dozens of machines with
up-to-date copies of MSE "protecting" them, and early on in this
adventure when I began seeing repeat customers I began replacing MSE
with Avast. I have yet to clean a single machine running an up-to-date
copy of Avast. Not saying it can't or won't happen, but that is my
experience thus far.

--
Zaphod

"Yeah. Listen, I'm Zaphod Beeblebrox, my father was Zaphod Beeblebrox
the Second, my grandfather Zaphod Beeblebrox the Third..."

"What?"

"There was an accident with a contraceptive and a time machine. Now
concentrate!"

On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 21:24:59 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/7/2013 7:46 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:18:24 -0400, chicagofan
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 14:33:06 -0400,
wrote:

Then again, I don't use any MS products where I
have a choice... other than the O/S.
Your choice of course, but as far as I'm concerned it's foolhardy to
avoid any product because of who its manufacturer is. I believe in
choosing the product that I think is the best in its category, without
regard to who made it. So I use some Microsoft products and don't use
others.
I did try those I had a need for, but chose other products that were
more to my liking.

Of course. That's what you should do. But what surprises me greatly is
that *no* Microsoft product is ever to your liking.


And I so wish I had avoided
Windows 8 like the plague.]
And I think Windows 7 is just fine, even for those of us who use it on
a desktop without a touch screen--as long as you don't use its
metro/modern interface, and instead use its desktop interface along
with a third party start orb.

That's fine for you. I personally don't want to spend months learning a
new system and wading through all this stuff I don't need... and I
particularly don't like having to download/install other programs to
make everything I use most often, more accessible to me. Guess I'm just
short on patience.

So I will have to be happy with Win7... and I'm getting there, having
wading into the jungle of Win8.

Since using the desktop interface instead of the Modern/Metro
interface makes Windows 8 almost exactly like Windows 7, it took me
about an hour or two to learn it--nowhere near months.

If you start with the preconceived notion that Windows 8 is a jungle,
you will never be happy with it. But you are making a bad mistake, as
far as I'm concerned.

Yes, windows 8 with classic shell or start8 IS as easy to use as Win 7,
I have been using it since the day it came out and yes a few hours and
it was just as easy as 7.
If i can learn it that quickly (I'm 79 and just pushing 80) surely it
should be a snap for you youngsters :-))


You're not calling *me* a youngster, are you? vbg You're only four
years older than I am; I'll be 76 next month.

--
Ken Blake

On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 22:33:18 -0400, chicagofan
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:18:24 -0400,
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
wrote:
And I so wish I had avoided
Windows 8 like the plague.]
And I think Windows 7 is just fine, even for those of us who use it on
a desktop without a touch screen--as long as you don't use its
metro/modern interface, and instead use its desktop interface along
with a third party start orb.

That's fine for you. I personally don't want to spend months learning a
new system and wading through all this stuff I don't need... and I
particularly don't like having to download/install other programs to
make everything I use most often, more accessible to me. Guess I'm just
short on patience.

So I will have to be happy with Win7... and I'm getting there, having
waded into the jungle of Win8.

Since using the desktop interface instead of the Modern/Metro
interface makes Windows 8 almost exactly like Windows 7, it took me
about an hour or two to learn it--nowhere near months.

If you start with the preconceived notion that Windows 8 is a jungle,
you will never be happy with it. But you are making a bad mistake, as
far as I'm concerned.


Accepted. At my advanced age my short term memory is shot, so it
takes me much longer to remember all the stuff I have to read about all
the new names and places for everything.

However, my opinion of Win8, was formed by my experience... not hearsay
or negative expectations. I would never have expected anything
like this from Microsoft.


In that case, try Windows 8 with the desktop interface, and never use
the modern/metro interface. And install Start8. You might find that
your opinion changes very quickly.



--
Ken Blake

On 10/8/2013 10:33 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 21:24:59 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/7/2013 7:46 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:18:24 -0400, chicagofan
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 14:33:06 -0400,
wrote:

Then again, I don't use any MS products where I
have a choice... other than the O/S.
Your choice of course, but as far as I'm concerned it's foolhardy to
avoid any product because of who its manufacturer is. I believe in
choosing the product that I think is the best in its category, without
regard to who made it. So I use some Microsoft products and don't use
others.
I did try those I had a need for, but chose other products that were
more to my liking.
Of course. That's what you should do. But what surprises me greatly is
that *no* Microsoft product is ever to your liking.


And I so wish I had avoided
Windows 8 like the plague.]
And I think Windows 7 is just fine, even for those of us who use it on
a desktop without a touch screen--as long as you don't use its
metro/modern interface, and instead use its desktop interface along
with a third party start orb.

That's fine for you. I personally don't want to spend months learning a
new system and wading through all this stuff I don't need... and I
particularly don't like having to download/install other programs to
make everything I use most often, more accessible to me. Guess I'm just
short on patience.

So I will have to be happy with Win7... and I'm getting there, having
wading into the jungle of Win8.
Since using the desktop interface instead of the Modern/Metro
interface makes Windows 8 almost exactly like Windows 7, it took me
about an hour or two to learn it--nowhere near months.

If you start with the preconceived notion that Windows 8 is a jungle,
you will never be happy with it. But you are making a bad mistake, as
far as I'm concerned.
Yes, windows 8 with classic shell or start8 IS as easy to use as Win 7,
I have been using it since the day it came out and yes a few hours and
it was just as easy as 7.
If i can learn it that quickly (I'm 79 and just pushing 80) surely it
should be a snap for you youngsters :-))

You're not calling *me* a youngster, are you? vbg You're only four
years older than I am; I'll be 76 next month.



Congrats, boy us older guys must stick together and keep the Young'uns
informed.

Happy upcoming birthday, Regards Rene

Rene Lamontagne has written on 10/8/2013 11:58 AM:
On 10/8/2013 10:33 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 21:24:59 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/7/2013 7:46 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:18:24 -0400, chicagofan
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 14:33:06 -0400,
wrote:

Then again, I don't use any MS products where I
have a choice... other than the O/S.
Your choice of course, but as far as I'm concerned it's foolhardy to
avoid any product because of who its manufacturer is. I believe in
choosing the product that I think is the best in its category, without
regard to who made it. So I use some Microsoft products and don't use
others.
I did try those I had a need for, but chose other products that were
more to my liking.
Of course. That's what you should do. But what surprises me greatly is
that *no* Microsoft product is ever to your liking.


And I so wish I had avoided
Windows 8 like the plague.]
And I think Windows 7 is just fine, even for those of us who use it on
a desktop without a touch screen--as long as you don't use its
metro/modern interface, and instead use its desktop interface along
with a third party start orb.

That's fine for you. I personally don't want to spend months learning a
new system and wading through all this stuff I don't need... and I
particularly don't like having to download/install other programs to
make everything I use most often, more accessible to me. Guess I'm just
short on patience.

So I will have to be happy with Win7... and I'm getting there, having
wading into the jungle of Win8.
Since using the desktop interface instead of the Modern/Metro
interface makes Windows 8 almost exactly like Windows 7, it took me
about an hour or two to learn it--nowhere near months.

If you start with the preconceived notion that Windows 8 is a jungle,
you will never be happy with it. But you are making a bad mistake, as
far as I'm concerned.
Yes, windows 8 with classic shell or start8 IS as easy to use as Win 7,
I have been using it since the day it came out and yes a few hours and
it was just as easy as 7.
If i can learn it that quickly (I'm 79 and just pushing 80) surely it
should be a snap for you youngsters :-))

You're not calling *me* a youngster, are you? vbg You're only four
years older than I am; I'll be 76 next month.

Congrats, boy us older guys must stick together and keep the Young'uns
informed.

Happy upcoming birthday, Regards Rene

I'll be 79 next week. :-)

On 10/8/2013 11:39 AM, Juan Wei wrote:
Rene Lamontagne has written on 10/8/2013 11:58 AM:
On 10/8/2013 10:33 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 21:24:59 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/7/2013 7:46 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 17:18:24 -0400, chicagofan
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 07 Oct 2013 14:33:06 -0400,
wrote:

Then again, I don't use any MS products where I
have a choice... other than the O/S.
Your choice of course, but as far as I'm concerned it's foolhardy to
avoid any product because of who its manufacturer is. I believe in
choosing the product that I think is the best in its category, without
regard to who made it. So I use some Microsoft products and don't use
others.
I did try those I had a need for, but chose other products that were
more to my liking.
Of course. That's what you should do. But what surprises me greatly is
that *no* Microsoft product is ever to your liking.


And I so wish I had avoided
Windows 8 like the plague.]
And I think Windows 7 is just fine, even for those of us who use it on
a desktop without a touch screen--as long as you don't use its
metro/modern interface, and instead use its desktop interface along
with a third party start orb.

That's fine for you. I personally don't want to spend months learning a
new system and wading through all this stuff I don't need... and I
particularly don't like having to download/install other programs to
make everything I use most often, more accessible to me. Guess I'm just
short on patience.

So I will have to be happy with Win7... and I'm getting there, having
wading into the jungle of Win8.
Since using the desktop interface instead of the Modern/Metro
interface makes Windows 8 almost exactly like Windows 7, it took me
about an hour or two to learn it--nowhere near months.

If you start with the preconceived notion that Windows 8 is a jungle,
you will never be happy with it. But you are making a bad mistake, as
far as I'm concerned.
Yes, windows 8 with classic shell or start8 IS as easy to use as Win 7,
I have been using it since the day it came out and yes a few hours and
it was just as easy as 7.
If i can learn it that quickly (I'm 79 and just pushing 80) surely it
should be a snap for you youngsters :-))
You're not calling *me* a youngster, are you? vbg You're only four
years older than I am; I'll be 76 next month.
Congrats, boy us older guys must stick together and keep the Young'uns
informed.

Happy upcoming birthday, Regards Rene
I'll be 79 next week. :-)
Hey, Congratulations and a happy birthday to you to Juan.
By golly there are quite a few of us not so young guys Working with new
cutting edge OSs and doing great with them,
Shows what we can still do despite our age.

Regards, Rene

Happy upcoming birthday, Regards Rene
I'll be 79 next week. :-)
Hey, Congratulations and a happy birthday to you to Juan.
By golly there are quite a few of us not so young guys Working with new
cutting edge OSs and doing great with them,
Shows what we can still do despite our age.

Regards, Rene





Yes, indeed! I'll hit the three quarters of a century mark on Halloween!

Chris

On 10/8/2013 11:55 AM, Chris S. wrote:
Happy upcoming birthday, Regards Rene
I'll be 79 next week. :-)
Hey, Congratulations and a happy birthday to you to Juan.
By golly there are quite a few of us not so young guys Working with
new cutting edge OSs and doing great with them,
Shows what we can still do despite our age.

Regards, Rene





Yes, indeed! I'll hit the three quarters of a century mark on Halloween!

Chris

Good Show, Happy birthday Chris, Getting to be more and more of us
all the time, Maybe we will outnumber the youngsters yet.

Regards , Rene

On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 12:06:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/8/2013 11:55 AM, Chris S. wrote:
Happy upcoming birthday, Regards Rene
I'll be 79 next week. :-)
Hey, Congratulations and a happy birthday to you to Juan.
By golly there are quite a few of us not so young guys Working with
new cutting edge OSs and doing great with them,
Shows what we can still do despite our age.

Regards, Rene





Yes, indeed! I'll hit the three quarters of a century mark on Halloween!

Chris

Good Show, Happy birthday Chris, Getting to be more and more of us
all the time, Maybe we will outnumber the youngsters yet.

And I think RC White is two years older than I am. I think he's 78.


--
Ken Blake

On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 12:39:28 -0400, Juan Wei
wrote in Re Uninstalled McAfee and
Windows 8 can't handle it:


I'll be 79 next week. :-)

You're probably the oldest here. I'm 66 which makes me a youngster.

Anybody here older than 79?
--
Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers
and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one.
Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those
newspapers delivered to your door every morning.

On 10/8/2013 2:19 PM, CRNG wrote:
On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 12:39:28 -0400, Juan Wei
wrote in Re Uninstalled McAfee and
Windows 8 can't handle it:

I'll be 79 next week. :-)
You're probably the oldest here. I'm 66 which makes me a youngster.

Anybody here older than 79?


79 here, will be 80 on April 1st next year.

Rene

Hi, Ken.

Yep. Turned 78 in July. ;)

Old age is not a reason to stop learning or participating. If some frailty
(poor eyesight or hearing, crippling disease, memory loss...) comes along
with the years, that's different. But age alone should not be used as an
excuse. In my opinion, of course.

My response is a few days late because of a 750-miles-each-way drive to
Albuquerque, New Mexico, to visit a still-young friend from 30+ years ago.
Saw some of the balloons. ;)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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On Tue, 08 Oct 2013 12:06:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 10/8/2013 11:55 AM, Chris S. wrote:
Happy upcoming birthday, Regards Rene
I'll be 79 next week. :-)
Hey, Congratulations and a happy birthday to you to Juan.
By golly there are quite a few of us not so young guys Working with
new cutting edge OSs and doing great with them,
Shows what we can still do despite our age.

Regards, Rene



Yes, indeed! I'll hit the three quarters of a century mark on Halloween!

Chris

Good Show, Happy birthday Chris, Getting to be more and more of us
all the time, Maybe we will outnumber the youngsters yet.

And I think RC White is two years older than I am. I think he's 78.

--
Ken Blake