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Old January 10th 19, 03:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Linea Recta[_2_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

After 3 ms updates & reboot laptop I cant connect anymore to my shared files
on my pc.
panic.
Laptop is connected to router by wifi and has internet access.
PC is connected to router by cable and has internet access.

When I click on the other computer under network, I get an error: could not
be found.
From other computer: same result.
I have util wifi-guard and it does find the other pc.
Why cant I go in there with windows file explorer normally?

Restoring image from before the updates: problem solved.

What to do?
Do I skip the latest updates?


regards,

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Old January 10th 19, 04:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

Linea Recta wrote:
After 3 ms updates & reboot laptop I cant connect anymore to my shared
files on my pc.
panic.
Laptop is connected to router by wifi and has internet access.
PC is connected to router by cable and has internet access.

When I click on the other computer under network, I get an error: could
not be found.
From other computer: same result.
I have util wifi-guard and it does find the other pc.
Why cant I go in there with windows file explorer normally?

Restoring image from before the updates: problem solved.

What to do?
Do I skip the latest updates?


regards,


Try connecting using the IP address.

In file explorer, in the path bar

\\192.168.1.2\sharename

and it should prompt for an account if one
is needed. For this to work, you can go to Command Prompt
on the other (serving) machine and get the IP address

ipconfig

Go back to the other machine, with known IP address in
hand, and make the connection.

You might have to resort to logging in first like this
if that doesn't work on the first try.

\\192.168.1.2

*******

The purpose of using an IP address, is to bypass a broken
NetBIOS nameserving function. Windows 7 may have two
"Function Discovery ..." services, which are a different
way of doing nameserving, and those are used for HomeGroup.
I don't know which one is related to NetBIOS.

HTH,
Paul
  #3  
Old January 10th 19, 06:27 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Linea Recta[_2_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

"Paul" schreef in bericht
...
Linea Recta wrote:
After 3 ms updates & reboot laptop I cant connect anymore to my shared
files on my pc.
panic.
Laptop is connected to router by wifi and has internet access.
PC is connected to router by cable and has internet access.

When I click on the other computer under network, I get an error: could
not be found.
From other computer: same result.
I have util wifi-guard and it does find the other pc.
Why cant I go in there with windows file explorer normally?

Restoring image from before the updates: problem solved.

What to do?
Do I skip the latest updates?


regards,


Try connecting using the IP address.

In file explorer, in the path bar

\\192.168.1.2\sharename

and it should prompt for an account if one
is needed. For this to work, you can go to Command Prompt
on the other (serving) machine and get the IP address

ipconfig

Go back to the other machine, with known IP address in
hand, and make the connection.

You might have to resort to logging in first like this
if that doesn't work on the first try.

\\192.168.1.2

*******

The purpose of using an IP address, is to bypass a broken
NetBIOS nameserving function. Windows 7 may have two
"Function Discovery ..." services, which are a different
way of doing nameserving, and those are used for HomeGroup.
I don't know which one is related to NetBIOS.

HTH,
Paul




Thanks for replying.
Tried your suggestions. No solution though.
On one occasion I got a "problem solver", but after a while "this problem
could not be solved".

I dont understand, how can an ms update mess up my settings.

I;m no network expert and stay away as far as possible to prevent
complications. But now this was done for me automatically.

In network centre I see double lines between
THISCOMPUTER==============ROUTER=================I NTERNET

Does that give any clue?




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  #4  
Old January 10th 19, 07:12 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Linea Recta[_2_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

can this issue be about "homegroups"?
I dont want to use that.
How can I change/disable that?
Just share user files over the lan.



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Old January 10th 19, 07:16 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

Linea Recta wrote:
"Paul" schreef in bericht
...
Linea Recta wrote:
After 3 ms updates & reboot laptop I cant connect anymore to my
shared files on my pc.
panic.
Laptop is connected to router by wifi and has internet access.
PC is connected to router by cable and has internet access.

When I click on the other computer under network, I get an error:
could not be found.
From other computer: same result.
I have util wifi-guard and it does find the other pc.
Why cant I go in there with windows file explorer normally?

Restoring image from before the updates: problem solved.

What to do?
Do I skip the latest updates?


regards,


Try connecting using the IP address.

In file explorer, in the path bar

\\192.168.1.2\sharename

and it should prompt for an account if one
is needed. For this to work, you can go to Command Prompt
on the other (serving) machine and get the IP address

ipconfig

Go back to the other machine, with known IP address in
hand, and make the connection.

You might have to resort to logging in first like this
if that doesn't work on the first try.

\\192.168.1.2

*******

The purpose of using an IP address, is to bypass a broken
NetBIOS nameserving function. Windows 7 may have two
"Function Discovery ..." services, which are a different
way of doing nameserving, and those are used for HomeGroup.
I don't know which one is related to NetBIOS.

HTH,
Paul




Thanks for replying.
Tried your suggestions. No solution though.
On one occasion I got a "problem solver", but after a while "this
problem could not be solved".

I dont understand, how can an ms update mess up my settings.

I;m no network expert and stay away as far as possible to prevent
complications. But now this was done for me automatically.

In network centre I see double lines between
THISCOMPUTER==============ROUTER=================I NTERNET

Does that give any clue?


There's a button for network map. What does it show ?
Network map is possible on Windows 7, via probing with
SSDP support. It's possible in the picture below, the WinXP
machine is "discounted" because no SSDP is running on it
and only NetBIOS detected it.

I checked the "ipconfig" on my three machines and they're
all on the same subnet (I neglected to add the IP values here).

https://i.postimg.cc/C1K7YSpN/win7-details.gif

One thing you can try, is lets assume the current machine
is 192.168.1.1, and I know the IP addresses of some other
machines, I can "ping" them and see if the "wires" are connected
to the other LAN members. You say you have Internet access, but
that's a proof that the WAN connection is there. The ping
helps verify the LAN is there.

ping 192.168.1.2
ping 192.168.1.3

Another tool is this one. I think if you accidentally
have nodes on different workgroups, it still lists them.
The /24 refers to the size of the netmask, and the remaining
8 bits scans 256 addresses. If you changed the /24 to
/16, it would consider the subnet to cover 192.168.x.x
and 65536 addresses. That's why the /24 is on the end of that
specification.

http://www.unixwiz.net/tools/nbtscan.html

http://www.unixwiz.net/tools/nbtscan-1.0.35.exe

nbtscan 192.168.1.0/24

You can run that program from any of the machines
on the subnet, check for "partitions" or whatever.

Paul
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Old January 10th 19, 07:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

Linea Recta wrote:
can this issue be about "homegroups"?
I dont want to use that.
How can I change/disable that?
Just share user files over the lan.


Looks like John has the answer.

Paul
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Old January 10th 19, 08:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
David E. Ross[_2_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

On 1/10/2019 7:54 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
After 3 ms updates & reboot laptop I cant connect anymore to my shared files
on my pc.
panic.
Laptop is connected to router by wifi and has internet access.
PC is connected to router by cable and has internet access.

When I click on the other computer under network, I get an error: could not
be found.
From other computer: same result.
I have util wifi-guard and it does find the other pc.
Why cant I go in there with windows file explorer normally?

Restoring image from before the updates: problem solved.

What to do?
Do I skip the latest updates?


regards,


This might be another broken Microsoft update. Remove all three
updates. Then test to determine if the problem is resolved. If so,
then install the updates ONE AT A TIME, testing after each installation.
When you find which update caused the problem, remove it.

--
David E. Ross

Trump again proves he is a major source of fake news. He wants
to cut off disaster funds to repair the damage caused by the
Woolsey Fire in southern California because he claims the state
fails to manage its forests properly. The Woolsey Fire was NOT
a forest fire. Starting in an industrial tract, it did not burn
through any forests.

See http://www.rossde.com/fire.html.
  #10  
Old January 10th 19, 09:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul in Houston TX[_2_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

Linea Recta wrote:
After 3 ms updates & reboot laptop I cant connect anymore to my shared
files on my pc.
panic.
Laptop is connected to router by wifi and has internet access.
PC is connected to router by cable and has internet access.

When I click on the other computer under network, I get an error:
could not be found.
From other computer: same result.
I have util wifi-guard and it does find the other pc.
Why cant I go in there with windows file explorer normally?

Restoring image from before the updates: problem solved.

What to do?
Do I skip the latest updates?


regards,


Personal preference of course, but I stopped updating when MS went to
the monthly roll ups that hide individual updates.
I really don't need the latest currency symbol for Eritrea and if I
let some stranger sit at my computer(s) and install a "specially
crafted file" then I have more than just computer problems to worry about.


  #11  
Old January 10th 19, 09:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
David E. Ross[_2_]
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Default no network after updates urgent

On 1/10/2019 12:53 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
On 1/10/2019 7:54 AM, Linea Recta wrote:
After 3 ms updates & reboot laptop I cant connect anymore to my shared files
on my pc.
panic.
Laptop is connected to router by wifi and has internet access.
PC is connected to router by cable and has internet access.

When I click on the other computer under network, I get an error: could not
be found.
From other computer: same result.
I have util wifi-guard and it does find the other pc.
Why cant I go in there with windows file explorer normally?

Restoring image from before the updates: problem solved.

What to do?
Do I skip the latest updates?


regards,


This might be another broken Microsoft update. Remove all three
updates. Then test to determine if the problem is resolved. If so,
then install the updates ONE AT A TIME, testing after each installation.
When you find which update caused the problem, remove it.


You are apparently not alone. See
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/01/10/1640232/windows-7-users-who-installed-january-update-report-network-issues-some-say-the-update-has-also-incorrectly-flagged-their-os-license-as-not-genuine.


--
David E. Ross

Trump again proves he is a major source of fake news. He wants
to cut off disaster funds to repair the damage caused by the
Woolsey Fire in southern California because he claims the state
fails to manage its forests properly. The Woolsey Fire was NOT
a forest fire. Starting in an industrial tract, it did not burn
through any forests.

See http://www.rossde.com/fire.html.
 




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